Libby Indicted, Resigns

[DawnCt1]

No attacks? Dawn, one day you actually have to point that remote at the tv and switch from Fox! There's a whole world out there!

I have not heard any specific attacks leveled against Fitzgerald and I do listen to Fox.

 

[eclectics]

I have not heard any specific attacks leveled against Fitzgerald and I do listen to Fox.

That's why!!!!!!! Do you think Fox is going to highlight Republicans attacking a prosecuter who obviously is above reproach? CNN had a few on yesterday muttering vauge threats and if you watch the Sunday morning shows tomorrow, I'm sure you'll hear some more. Even just saying this whole thing is politically motivated is a attack on the prosecuter's integrity, and don't throw Ken Starr back at me. Remember Whitewater? If these indictments end up as nothing, then you can gloat, but not now.

 

[DawnCt1]

That's why!!!!!!! Do you think Fox is going to highlight Republicans attacking a prosecuter who obviously is above reproach? CNN had a few on yesterday muttering vauge threats and if you watch the Sunday morning shows tomorrow, I'm sure you'll hear some more. Even just saying this whole thing is politically motivated is a attack on the prosecuter's integrity, and don't throw Ken Starr back at me. Remember Whitewater? If these indictments end up as nothing, then you can gloat, but not now.

Maybe you should remind yourself of the indictments and CONVICTIONS that came out of Whitewater. This site may be helpful.http://prorev.com/legacy.htm

 

[Teejay32]

Exactly! They are having a hard time trying to pin anything on Fitzgerald, try as they might.

I honestly haven't seen anyone try, as there's no point to it. The attempt to nail the administration for outing Ms. 007 didn't work, as Republicans here predicted, and Libby's alleged crime is his own problem.

 

[eclectics]

Maybe you should remind yourself of the indictments and CONVICTIONS that came out of Whitewater. This site may be helpful.http://prorev.com/legacy.htm

The Progressive Review? Please! Ken Starr went after Bill and Hillary like a rabid dog and found nothing! Like I said, if Fitzgerald leaves court with his tail between his legs, you can have a good laugh. A good prosecuter doesn't throw around leaks every chance he gets (a la Starr) so I would be very nervous if I were a Republican about further indictments.

 

[eclectics]

I honestly haven't seen anyone try, as there's no point to it. The attempt to nail the administration for outing Ms. 007 didn't work, as Republicans here predicted, and Libby's alleged crime is his own problem.

You actually haven't heard any Republican say this whole thing isn't politically motivated? I have heard his credentials being questioned as well as his motivations.

 

[djkeenan]

CNN just announced that Karl Rove is the "Official A" still under investigation. It ain't over yet.

I am disappointed that the White House wasn't even superficially indignant over one of their own lying to the grand jury. But they why would they be? He was lying to cover for higher ups. Honorable indeed!

Meanwhile on this innocent until proven guilty post… why didn’t that apply to Clinton?

I’d much prefer an affair to a war!

 

[Teejay32]

You actually haven't heard any Republican say this whole thing isn't politically motivated?

That's not what you suggested. Just about all Republicans think the whole thing was a Democratic stage production, me included, but you're referring to the prosecutor himself. I have not heard one Republican say that he has political motivations.

 

[eclectics]

That's not what you suggested. Just about all Republicans think the whole thing was a Democratic stage production, me included, but you're referring to the prosecutor himself. I have not heard one Republican say that he has political motivations.

Since he's the one that runs the show and calls the shots, isn't it one and the same? And yes, he was directly challenged. I wish I could remember who said it. I was flipping through channels, got disgusted and moved on. I think he was from the south. The other time was from a Republican big wig. Again, no name but he looks like Merv Griffen. Sorry, I'll pay better attention. When they start spouting that stuff, I block them out and move on.


And just for the record everyone: If you look at the above post you will see that my post was chopped in half also, and it did change the meaning a bit. It doesn't bother me but it shows that it DOES happen to me also, and others, so for those who got so bent out of shape about me,

 

[Teejay32]

I'd apologize...but I don't think the second sentence was there then. But anyway...

Since he's the one that runs the show and calls the shots, isn't it one and the same? And yes, he was directly challenged. I wish I could remember who said it.<snip>

Not really, because Democrats yelling about the Bu$hhitler regime outing a covert agent was the reason for Fitzgerald in the first place, and it was Democrats singing Fitzgerald's praises - he's impartial, so he's going to find the truth, muahahaha, be very afraid. And here we are. I hope the investigation continues - can't see how investigating a private CIA initiative to send a crony to Niger, join the Kerry campaign and then make negative reports to the press can miss finding something worth public attention - but that's purely political on my part. As a rule it's probably wise to be on the lookout for other possible motivations in prosecutions; I just haven't seen anything in this one yet.

 

[Brainhammer]

CNN just announced that Karl Rove is the "Official A" still under investigation. It ain't over yet.

I am disappointed that the White House wasn't even superficially indignant over one of their own lying to the grand jury. But they why would they be? He was lying to cover for higher ups. Honorable indeed!

Meanwhile on this innocent until proven guilty post… why didn’t that apply to Clinton?

I’d much prefer an affair to a war!

I guess for the same reason the White House wasn't indignant over Clinton's liyying before a grand jury. They apparently think is the same type of "trumped up charge"

Be that as it may, lying before a grand jury is lying before a grand jury, regardless of the issue behind it. Libby obviously lied, so he should face the consequences

Like Fitzgerald said in his press conference:

But I think what we see here today, when a vice president's chief of staff is charged with perjury and obstruction of justice, it does show the world that this is a country that takes its law seriously; that all citizens are bound by the law.

But what we need to also show the world is that we can also apply the same safeguards to all our citizens, including high officials. Much as they must be bound by the law, they must follow the same rules.

Substitute "President" for "chief of staff" and the same standard applies, does it not?

 

[MizBlu]

I think you would do better to look at the previous administration. 61 indictments on all of those issues that seem to concern you. On the other hand, Wall St. had its second best day of the year yesterday on the good news that Karl Rove wasn't indicted. This is about criminalizing a non crime. Nothing more.

No, this is about obstruction of justice, perjury, and making false statements.

Nothing more.......plenty more. Let 30 years of felony time sink in a few more days for Libby.

One thing you can count on this administration........there's no nobility and honor. Libby's going to sing like a canary.

Btw, Wall Street had it's best day of the year because someone in this administration was indicted. The Bush house of cards is about to come tumbling down.

You've really got to stop listening to Pill-Popping Daddy Limbaugh and Neil Cavuto.

 

[conciergekelly]

Btw, Wall Street had it's best day of the year because someone in this administration was indicted. The Bush house of cards is about to come tumbling down.

You've really got to stop listening to Pill-Popping Daddy Limbaugh and Neil Cavuto.

Thanks MizBlu!

 

[Teejay32]

That's the craziest spin about Wall Street yet, MizBlu. It's Martha Stewart's trial all over again, significantly less than the toppling of the regime we were promised. a "good thing."

 

[eclectics]

I'd apologize...but I don't think the second sentence was there then. But anyway...



Not really, because Democrats yelling about the Bu$hhitler regime outing a covert agent was the reason for Fitzgerald in the first place, and it was Democrats singing Fitzgerald's praises - he's impartial, so he's going to find the truth, muahahaha, be very afraid. And here we are. I hope the investigation continues - can't see how investigating a private CIA initiative to send a crony to Niger, join the Kerry campaign and then make negative reports to the press can miss finding something worth public attention - but that's purely political on my part. As a rule it's probably wise to be on the lookout for other possible motivations in prosecutions; I just haven't seen anything in this one yet.

I edited some words but that was before you posted Sometimes these boards are weird. I've lost entire posts. Anyway, I can see your point about Fitzgerald being appointed in the first place. A lot feel the whole thing is a non-issue. But the outcome is at least one person indicted so far, so it can't exactly be called a political ploy. At least one crime was allegedly commited with perhaps more. And any cloud of politicization (sp?) reflects directly on the prosecuter. It sure did with Ken Starr! All I'm saying is that some of the comments I have heard insinuate that Fitzgerald himself now suddenly has a political agenda. Hopefully these few feeble comments will be the last ones heard.

 

[conciergekelly]

That's the craziest spin about Wall Street yet, MizBlu.

And Dawnct1's original post wasn't spin. C'mon on>That is why I found MizBlu's post so funny. There is more than one way to "spin" a cat .

 

[eclectics]

That's the craziest spin about Wall Street yet, MizBlu.

And Dawnct1's original post wasn't spin. C'mon on>That is why I found MizBlu's post so funny. There is more than one way to "spin" a cat .

I don't see how either side can spin Wall St. Kim Jong-il can belch over lunch and it affects the market. It doesn't take much!

 

[MizBlu]

That's the craziest spin about Wall Street yet, MizBlu. It's Martha Stewart's trial all over again, significantly less than the toppling of the regime we were promised. a "good thing."

A top can spin clockwise or counter-clockwise.

Here's spin for you: yesterday was a "good thing" for administration?

If it was such a "good thing", maybe everyday should be a 5-indictment day for the Bush adminstration.

I bet the Bushies would be positively giddy if that happened.

 

[What the Heck]

No, this is about obstruction of justice, perjury, and making false statements.

Nothing more.......plenty more. Let 30 years of felony time sink in a few more days for Libby.

One thing you can count on this administration........there's no nobility and honor. Libby's going to sing like a canary.

Funny thing, but change the name and I was saying the exact same thing in the 90's, using the exact same words. I even remember who I was talking to, she was a really cute blonde...but I digress.

You know, if he is found guilty, I hope they throw the book at him. He did do the right thing by resigning (too bad someone else didn't earlier), but if he did do the crime he deserves the time. However, I think a trial would be appropriate before we throw him in jail for life.

 

[MizBlu]

Funny thing, but change the name and I was saying the exact same thing in the 90's, using the exact same words. I even remember who I was talking to, she was a really cute blonde...but I digress.

You know, if he is found guilty, I hope they throw the book at him. He did do the right thing by resigning (too bad someone else didn't earlier), but if he did do the crime he deserves the time. However, I think a trial would be appropriate before we throw him in jail for life.

I disagree about resigning being the right thing to do. The right thing to do was for Bush to fire him for lying. Whether or not there was an indictment, Libby lied to the WH as did Rove. Unlike the declarations made by Bush and Scotty McZiegler, they did have something to do with Valerie Plame's outting.

Bush should've fired Rove and Libby when the truth came out after Cooper and Miller testifed.