Libby Indicted, Resigns

[Planogirl]

I disagree about resigning being the right thing to do. The right thing to do was for Bush to fire him for lying. Whether or not there was an indictment, Libby lied to the WH as did Rove. Unlike the declarations made by Bush and Scotty McZiegler, they did have something to do with Valerie Plame's outting.

Bush should've fired Rove and Libby when the truth came out after Cooper and Miller testifed.

Bush could have at least quit praising Libby while he made the announcement.

I thought that this could be an interesting debate to read but in the last few pages almost all I read is "But Clinton..." When are people going to realize that the Clinton days are over and done with and we all have to deal with today instead?

 

[Galahad]

Bush could have at least quit praising Libby while he made the announcement.

I thought that this could be an interesting debate to read but in the last few pages almost all I read is "But Clinton..." When are people going to realize that the Clinton days are over and done with and we all have to deal with today instead?

How is the "But Clinton" stuff any more ridiculous than the quip "Scotty McZiegler"?

 

[What the Heck]

Bush could have at least quit praising Libby while he made the announcement.

I thought that this could be an interesting debate to read but in the last few pages almost all I read is "But Clinton..." When are people going to realize that the Clinton days are over and done with and we all have to deal with today instead?

Please point out where in my post it says "but Clinton"? I make no excuses, if he is guilty, then he should go to jail. I also think Clinton should have gone to jail as well, but it didn't happen. I just find it interesting the way some are willing to send him to jail now without a trial, "but Clinton" was just about sex. Same charges but different rules.

 

[Teejay32]

A top can spin clockwise or counter-clockwise.

Here's spin for you: yesterday was a "good thing" for administration?

If it was such a "good thing", maybe everyday should be a 5-indictment day for the Bush adminstration.

I bet the Bushies would be positively giddy if that happened.

Wall Street, Martha Stewart, it's a good thing...never mind.

I was busy with infants during Clinton's troubles, and I remember only three things: him on TV saying " I did not have sexual relations with that woman," Hilary on TV saying "vast right-wing conspiracy", and then the impeachment in Congress failing to remove him from office, which I also thought was A Good Thing for Clinton, and the rest of us. He never bothered me as much as his supporters and detractors did anyway, and I seriously doubt catching Gore's top aide perjuring himself would made much difference in the big picture.

Alas, Clinton remains front page news sometimes over five years after he left office, and sometimes he bothers me. His days are clearly not over, he represents the prior administration and all the precedents set by it, so he's not off limits. That would be part of "dealing with today."

 

[MizBlu]

Wall Street, Martha Stewart, it's a good thing...never mind.

I was busy with infants during Clinton's troubles, and I remember only three things: him on TV saying " I did not have sexual relations with that woman," Hilary on TV saying "vast right-wing conspiracy", and then the impeachment in Congress failing to remove him from office, which I also thought was A Good Thing for Clinton, and the rest of us. He never bothered me as much as his supporters and detractors did anyway, and I seriously doubt catching Gore's top aide perjuring himself would made much difference in the big picture.

Alas, Clinton remains front page news sometimes over five years after he left office, and sometimes he bothers me. His days are clearly not over, he represents the prior administration and all the precedents set by it, so he's not off limits. That would be part of "dealing with today."

One of the reasons why Clinton remains front page news is because George Bush has called on him twice to coordinate US relief efforts along with Bush4 41.

I doubt if any future president will call on George Bush for anything other than as a taster at a keg party.

As for yesterday being a good day for the WH, no day is a good day when the 3rd or 4th man down receives 5 indictments.

However, there always the hope the Bush administration will not only have several more "5-indictment" good days, but some superlatlive "10-indictment" days.

 

[MizBlu]

How is the "But Clinton" stuff any more ridiculous than the quip "Scotty McZiegler"?

Oh puhleeeze, Scott McClellan doesn't remind you of Ron Ziegler?

He is the "Ron Ziegler" of his generation.

 

[Teejay32]

I saw Clinton a month ago on TV from NY, a Global Initiative or some such. He got some rich people together and some heads of state and they have their own little USAID-type thing going. I thought it was kind of arrogant myself, but anyway, he gets his own air time.

 

[DawnCt1]

The Progressive Review? Please! Ken Starr went after Bill and Hillary like a rabid dog and found nothing! Like I said, if Fitzgerald leaves court with his tail between his legs, you can have a good laugh. A good prosecuter doesn't throw around leaks every chance he gets (a la Starr) so I would be very nervous if I were a Republican about further indictments.

Nothing?? Are you sure?? Perjury, aiding and subborning pergury. Obstruction of justice in a civil trial. Better refresh that memory of yours.

 

[DawnCt1]

Nothing more.......plenty more. Let 30 years of felony time sink in a few more days for Libby.

One thing you can count on this administration........there's no nobility and honor. Libby's going to sing like a canary.

Btw, Wall Street had it's best day of the year because someone in this administration was indicted. The Bush house of cards is about to come tumbling down.

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Libby has absolutely no chance of serving 30 years and you can take that to Wall St. Speaking of Wall St; if you think the market rejoices when their is turmoil for the White House on the horizon, you totally misunderstand the economy. Indulge in your fantasy as long as you chose, its nothing more than a fantasy. Again, this points out the reality of the left. What's good for the country is bad for the left.

 

[Viking]

Nothing?? Are you sure?? Perjury, aiding and subborning pergury. Obstruction of justice in a civil trial. Better refresh that memory of yours.

Clinton lied about sex with an intern - Bush and his aides lied about reasons for going to war.
Obviously the average rightwinger thinks screwing an intern is worse than screwing a country

 

[DawnCt1]

I disagree about resigning being the right thing to do. The right thing to do was for Bush to fire him for lying. Whether or not there was an indictment, Libby lied to the WH as did Rove. Unlike the declarations made by Bush and Scotty McZiegler, they did have something to do with Valerie Plame's outting.

Bush should've fired Rove and Libby when the truth came out after Cooper and Miller testifed.

I am confused Mizblu. I always thought that liberals believed that everyone should have their day in court. I guess everyone but conservatives that is. An indictment doesn't mean conviction. Miller and Cooper are telling the truth but Rove and Libby are liars. No bias there.

 

[MizBlu]

Libby has absolutely no chance of serving 30 years and you can take that to Wall St. Speaking of Wall St; if you think the market rejoices when their is turmoil for the White House on the horizon, you totally misunderstand the economy. Indulge in your fantasy as long as you chose, its nothing more than a fantasy. Again, this points out the reality of the left. What's good for the country is bad for the left.

Give our regards to the folks on the mothership.

Or better yet, stay awhile.

 

[DawnCt1]

One of the reasons why Clinton remains front page news is because George Bush has called on him twice to coordinate US relief efforts along with Bush4 41.

I doubt if any future president will call on George Bush for anything other than as a taster at a keg party.

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Unlike Clinton, Bush is more concerned about getting the job done than taking credit. If reaching out across party lines increases contributions for relief efforts, then he is willing to befriend those who would stab him in the back. It takes a big man to do that. I will ignore your inappropriate comment on the keg party because you are so consumed by your own hatred that you can't help yourself.

 

[MizBlu]

I am confused Mizblu. I always thought that liberals believed that everyone should have their day in court. I guess everyone but conservatives that is. An indictment doesn't mean conviction. Miller and Cooper are telling the truth but Rove and Libby are liars. No bias there.

You should've stopped at "I am confused", but since you didn't............

Both Miller and Cooper have notes about the dates/times/subjects of their conversations with Libby.

Libby also had his own notes about dates/times/subjects, but his notes contradicted what he was saying and that's how he ended up with 5 indictments.

No one has suggested that what Miller and Cooper told the grand jury wasn't the truth. No one other than you that is.

So we've come full circle to your "I am confused".

 

[DawnCt1]

Clinton lied about sex with an intern - Bush and his aides lied about reasons for going to war.
Obviously the average rightwinger thinks screwing an intern is worse than screwing a country

Clinton lied in order to obstruct justice for Paula Jones who was bringing a sexual harrassment suit against him. He subborned perjury for the same purpose. He has a pattern of assault and battery as well as sexual harrassment. Ask Juanita Broderick and Kathleen Wiley. He lied repeatedly under oath in front of a judge and a grand jury. Then there are all of the other crimes; including accepting money for campaign contributions in exchange for sophisticated computer components. 61 indictments resulted in 47 convictions from that particular administration. Then there was Whitewater, the futures market, Travelgate, sleepovers in the White House for cash..... and don't forget Mark Rich. That was "rich".

 

[MizBlu]

Unlike Clinton, Bush is more concerned about getting the job done than taking credit. If reaching out across party lines increases contributions for relief efforts, then he is willing to befriend those who would stab him in the back. It takes a big man to do that. I will ignore your inappropriate comment on the keg party because you are so consumed by your own hatred that you can't help yourself.

Please, you're killing us today.

 

[MizBlu]

Clinton lied in order to obstruct justice for Paula Jones who was bringing a sexual harrassment suit against him. He subborned perjury for the same purpose. He has a pattern of assault and battery as well as sexual harrassment. Ask Juanita Broderick and Kathleen Wiley. He lied repeatedly under oath in front of a judge and a grand jury. Then there are all of the other crimes; including accepting money for campaign contributions in exchange for sophisticated computer components. 61 indictments resulted in 47 convictions from that particular administration. Then there was Whitewater, the futures market, Travelgate, sleepovers in the White House for cash..... and don't forget Mark Rich. That was "rich".

Did you get all that, Viking? Let us know if you hurt yourself ROTFLYAO.

 

[conciergekelly]

I don't care who is in office Dem. or Rep.. If someone outs a CIA agent and covers it up , then they should have their day in court. I don't understand how people can stick up for that kind of behavior. This isn't about Martha or Bill but Scooter. That kind of devotion to a party is dangerous. This effects us all not just one party. Have we forgotten that this is about all of our security. This administration has put us in jeopardy more than once. It is time the right stops apologizing for Bush's actions .

 

[DawnCt1]

You should've stopped at "I am confused", but since you didn't............

Both Miller and Cooper have notes about the dates/times/subjects of their conversations with Libby.

Libby also had his own notes about dates/times/subjects, but his notes contradicted what he was saying and that's how he ended up with 5 indictments.

No one has suggested that what Miller and Cooper told the grand jury wasn't the truth. No one other than you that is.

So we've come full circle to your "I am confused".

Again Mizblu. At the risk of sounding repetitious; One isn't guilty until they are convicted. Are you familiar with that concept??? I haven't seen one instance where he refused to hand anything over that was requested or answer what he was asked. I don't remember what I said or who I spoke to two years ago, do you? Notes can certainly conflict with memory. If that were not so, than everyone would get a 100% on any test as long as it was in their notes. I would guess that an interview with Libby was a lot more memorable to Miller and Cooper than it was to Libby, given his position in the administration vs. their position in the media.

 

[eclectics]

Nothing?? Are you sure?? Perjury, aiding and subborning pergury. Obstruction of justice in a civil trial. Better refresh that memory of yours.

I thought we were discussing Whitewater when I made my comment Am I mistaken?