lesbians need not apply

Ugh I'm so sick of all this Christianity/homosexuality crap. I wish certain Christians would stop harping on it so much! I am a Christian and believe Jesus died on the cross for my sins, but I've also finally accepted that I'm gay after years of depression and trying to pray it away and being scared I'll end up in Hell...the only CHOICE I made was to realize this is who God made me and to not continue hating myself and live a lie. Because of all this crap about homosexuality being a sin, it has been and will continue to be a painful annoying journey. I am dating someone for the first time and very happy....but I still can't bring myself to tell my conservative Christian family. Although I can't imagine they've missed the signs...dad is a pastor, parents raised us on "Focus on the Family" stuff and I'm just not ready for THAT drama yet. :rolleyes:
 
Go ahead and keep a child out of school without participating in a state sanctioned home schooling program and see how far that gets you.

Education is a requirement for children up to a certain age group in this country.

Just in case you didn't know-most states do not have any kind of regulations in regards to homeschooling.
 
Ok. So. This is a very strict Lutheran school. So, one could also understand that they are very strict on obeying the orders of God as set forth in the Bible.

I'd like to see if they follow these "rules" from the Bible:

Leviticus 1:9 states that the smell of a burning bull is pleasing to the lord. BARBEQUE TIME!

Leviticus 25:44 states that slavery is legal, so long as your slaves come from neighboring countries. So, are this school's slaves from Mexico or Canada?

Leviticus 10-16 says that anybody who takes the name of God in vain should be put to death. I've apparently escaped death inumberable times.

Leviticus 11:10 tells us not to eat shrimp because it's an abomination unto God. There go my delicious appetizers at the 4th of July party...

Leviticus 19:19 forbids the wearing of garments of mixed fibers (ie: a cotton/polyester blend t-shirt). Organic Cotton tees, here I come!

Ecclesiastes 9:8 says that we should always wear white and anoint our heads with oil. Do these students have a uniform? Is it all white?

Deuteronomy 25:11-12. "11 If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, 12 you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity." Yeah, no. This one speaks for itself.

Numbers 5:11-20 dictates how to tell if your wife is cheating on you. Give her a mixture of water, barely, and dust. If her stomach swells, she's a cheater. In which case you should stone her and the man/woman you suspect her of cheating with. (according to Leviticus 20:10).

Exodus 21:5 says that if your slave is set free after 6 years and decides to stay, you should bore a hole in his ear. Is this the Mexican slave or the Canadian slave?

1 Corinthians 11:6 says that if a woman doesn't cover her head she should cut off her hair. I hope all those girls are either bald, or own scarves.

1 Timothy 2:12-14 says, and I quote: "12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent."
Must be an all-male run sort of place.

Sometimes, religion just doesn't make sense to me. If those girls were expelled for going against Christian beliefs, do they follow all the Christian beliefs (the Bible) or do they just pick and choose which ones to follow?

By the way, if you want more silly Bible passages, read "The Year of Living Biblically" by AJ Jacobs. It's great for a good laugh.


EVEN if this was in the old testament, or whatev, i think if JESUS can say disregard the previous message i left, then as humans, who are sinners ANYWAY, might as well live to their hearts fulfillment. i personally do not believe jesus would stop a gay man at heaven's gate & say you're not allowed in because you're gay. go to hell. wouldn't happen. nope.

i know this isn't an ethics debate thread, but since the bible passages were put up-- and i personally found them very intriguing--i thought i would comment.

isn't there also a passage that states it's better to spill your seed into the belly of a wh0re than on the ground? also.. something about not touching pigskin.. i guess football is out? :rolleyes:


DO NOT VERBALLY ATTACK ME! this is just imho. :goodvibes
 

Ugh I'm so sick of all this Christianity/homosexuality crap. I wish certain Christians would stop harping on it so much! I am a Christian and believe Jesus died on the cross for my sins, but I've also finally accepted that I'm gay after years of depression and trying to pray it away and being scared I'll end up in Hell...the only CHOICE I made was to realize this is who God made me and to not continue hating myself and live a lie. Because of all this crap about homosexuality being a sin, it has been and will continue to be a painful annoying journey. I am dating someone for the first time and very happy....but I still can't bring myself to tell my conservative Christian family. Although I can't imagine they've missed the signs...dad is a pastor, parents raised us on "Focus on the Family" stuff and I'm just not ready for THAT drama yet. :rolleyes:

congratulations on discovering who you are.. and for having met someone!
 
I'm just wondering...gluttony is a sin also, right? I think 9 out of 10 (just my thoughts and numbers) people who are overweight/obese/fat are that way because they eat too much food and do not exercise enough. Eating too much food is gluttony, right? If you are overweight it is a continual sin, a lifestyle really. Would overweight/obese/fat kids be treated the same way?
I'm just wondering...
 
It's a long thread.

Did these girls DO anything that got them kicked out? Like, were they having sex on school property?

Or were they kicked out simply for being lesbians? There is something so wrong with that. I mean, it is their religion and their school and they can run it their way...but it's just so wrong. :(
 
oh..just wanted to add that just because something is "required" doesn't make it a "right".

It is a right, the US signed the Declaration of Human Rights in the UN assembly....article 26...

Pasted from wiki

Article 26

1. Everyone has the right to education. Education shall be free, at least in the elementary and fundamental stages. Elementary education shall be compulsory. Technical and professional education shall be made generally available and higher education shall be equally accessible to all on the basis of merit.
 
Ugh I'm so sick of all this Christianity/homosexuality crap. I wish certain Christians would stop harping on it so much! I am a Christian and believe Jesus died on the cross for my sins, but I've also finally accepted that I'm gay after years of depression and trying to pray it away and being scared I'll end up in Hell...the only CHOICE I made was to realize this is who God made me and to not continue hating myself and live a lie. Because of all this crap about homosexuality being a sin, it has been and will continue to be a painful annoying journey. I am dating someone for the first time and very happy....but I still can't bring myself to tell my conservative Christian family. Although I can't imagine they've missed the signs...dad is a pastor, parents raised us on "Focus on the Family" stuff and I'm just not ready for THAT drama yet. :rolleyes:

:hug: My story is much like yours. I don't know how I ever missed the memo that I'm gay...it's quite a journey for sure. There have been choices that I've made during all this, however I'm not choosing to be gay. Have you seen For the Bible Tells me so?
 
:hug: My story is much like yours. I don't know how I ever missed the memo that I'm gay...it's quite a journey for sure. There have been choices that I've made during all this, however I'm not choosing to be gay. Have you seen For the Bible Tells me so?

However Christians do have a choice:

We must be open to new truth from Scripture.

Even heroes of the Christian faith have changed their minds about the meaning of various biblical texts.

It took a blinding light and a voice from heaven to help the apostle Paul change his mind about certain Hebrew texts. A sheet lowered from the sky filled with all kinds of animals helped the apostle Peter gain new insights into Jewish law.

Jerry Falwell believed the Bible supported segregation in the church until a black shoeshine man asked him, "When will someone like me be allowed to become a member of your congregation?" Through those simple words, the Holy Spirit spoke new truth about the ancient biblical texts to the Rev. Falwell, and in obedience he ended segregation at Thomas Road Baptist Church.

Even when we believe the Scriptures are "infallible" or "without error," it's terribly dangerous to think that our understanding of every biblical text is also without error. We are human. We are fallible. And we can misunderstand and misinterpret these ancient words -- with tragic results.

Almost 1,000 people believed Jim Jones was a faithful interpreter of God's Word. They died with him in the jungles of Guyana. I studied Jones and leaders of other cults while writing the book and documentary film, Deceived. I found that the only people who were able to break free of the dangerous influence of such Bible-quoting cultic gurus were the ones who took the Bible seriously enough to study the texts themselves and make their own decisions about their meaning. The others "leave their bones in the desert."

What if someone asked you, "Is there a chance you could be wrong about the way you've interpreted the biblical texts sometimes used to condemn homosexual orientation?" How would you respond? What does it say about you if you answer, "No, I could NOT be wrong"? I am asking you to re-examine these texts -- carefully and prayerfully. Lives hang in the balance.

Soulforce.org
 
Suicide...You might want to catch "Prayers for Bobby".

Murder....You might want to read up on Matthew Sheppard.

:sad2:

I lived in Laramie when Matthew Sheppard was killed. I was in local city government. Don't believe what the media and the special interests would have you believe about his killing. It was a horrific crime. His attackers knew him. He was chosen as an easy target to steal money to buy drugs because he was very small in stature, and was alone in the bar. They knew he was gay, so they lured him with the pretense of a homosexual tryst and then took him outside of town, robbed him of his money and tied him up to a fence. They were both high on drugs and started hitting him. Bloodlust took over and they beat him unconscious, one of them using the butt of a handgun. He was found early the next morning by a jogger and was transported to the hospital and life-flighted to Poudre Hospital in Ft Collins, Colorado, where he died of blunt force trauma to the head.

Was his homosexuality a factor in the crime? Yes. Was it the motive for his being targeted? No. Drugs and robbery where the motive.
 
Congrats to the school, thank you to the state for keeping their noses out of the schools business...
 
Congrats to the school, thank you to the state for keeping their noses out of the schools business...



A federal judge upheld the University of California's decision to deny students credit for some courses offered by Christian high schools, rejecting claims of discrimination and infringement of free expression.

The University of California has refused to approve courses at Calvary, which in turn has filed a lawsuit against the university system.U.S. District Judge S. James Otero of Los Angeles ruled against arguments from Calvary Chapel Christian School of Murrieta and Calvary Baptist School in La Verne and said UC's review committees cited legitimate reasons for rejecting the courses, which include English, history, government and religion.

The university's decision was constitutional, the judge said in a final ruling issued Friday, noting that the UC did not reject the specific courses because of "animus," or anti-religious bias. The ruling follows Otero's decision in March that upheld the university's system of approving high school classes.

Calvary Chapel and the Association of Christian Schools International filed a lawsuit in 2005 when UC did not give credit for some courses when considering students' eligibility for university admission. The Christian school argued that UC unconstitutionally treated Calvary students unequally compared to other students and denied to honor courses that had a "Christian viewpoint" or "any instance of God's guidance of history, or any alternative ... to evolution."

The lawsuit contends that the UC school system has refused to approve over 150 courses that were intended to be taught by Christian, Catholic, and Jewish high schools merely because they were to be taught from a religious viewpoint. Calvary Chapel and ACSI argue that the UC is attempting to force Christian schools to water down their teaching.

"It appears the UC is attempting to secularize private religious schools," attorney Jennifer Monk of Advocates for Faith and Freedom said Tuesday, in a released statement.

The federal judge, however, ruled that UC rejected the courses not because they contained religious viewpoints, but because they were too narrow to fulfill UC's entrance requirements.

UC has approved many courses containing religious material and viewpoints but it denies credit to courses that rely largely or entirely on material stressing supernatural over historic or scientific explanations, the judge said, as reported by the San Francisco Chronicle. Such books would be acceptable as supplementary reading, but not as the main textbook, UC says.

One of the courses the university rejected was a history course called Christianity's Influence on America. The primary text in that course "instructs that the Bible is the unerring source for analysis of historical events" and evaluates historical figures based on their religious motivations, one UC professor on the review committee said. Another text, "Biology for Christian Schools," declares that "if [scientific] conclusions contradict the Word of God, the conclusions are wrong," Otero said.

"No one is questioning the right of Calvary Chapel to teach what they want to teach. But what the case says is that when you do that, there may be consequences," David Masci, a senior research fellow at the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life, said Tuesday, according to the Los Angeles Times.

Charles Robinson, the university's vice president for legal affairs, argued that the ruling "confirms that UC may apply the same admissions standards to all students and to all high schools without regard to their religious affiliations."

The case has drawn wide attention as the role of religion in public education was in dispute.

Charles Haynes, senior scholar on religious liberty issues at the First Amendment Center in Arlington, Va., had said before Friday's ruling that the case could have "serious implications" for religious schools across the country if the university wins.

Attorney Robert Tyler, who represents Calvary and a group of 4,000 Christian schools nationwide, said "this case is about the future of private religious education and the right to be able to have your kids learn from a religious perspective."

The decision has already been appealed, said Tyler, whose four children attend Calvary Christian.

The appeal will argue that the district judge applied the wrong legal principles as articulated by the U.S. Supreme Court and disregarded evidence showing the UC’s practice of rejecting courses merely because the officials disagree with the religious perspective from which a course may be taught.
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That discrimination stuff in education sure is a muddy issue, ain't it?
 
It really bugs me how people automatically assume that disagreeing with somebody's actions equates hate. I will admit it. I am Catholic by choice, converted a few years ago. Before that I was Southern Baptist.

I always have and always will believe that the purpose of sex is to reproduce, and that the only kind of sex permissable under God's plan is sex within the covenant of marriage. Does that mean that I hate every gay person or those who have sex outside of marriage? Heck no! I don't believe people willingly choose to be gay, just as I did not willingly choose to be heterosexual, that's just how it happened. I have no problem with the state allowing gay marriage, but that doesn't mean I have to accept it in my church. I don't find the phrase "hate the sin, love the sinner" hypocritical. I am a sinner. If I hated sinners I would hate myself. Does that make sense? I don't hold one sin on a pedestal above others. One of the things that drew me to the Catholic Church was their stance that at the time of death, whether or not a poerson goes to heaven is between them and God. Only God knows their heart. It is not our place to judge. It was a refreshing change from the church I used to attend.

As for the school in question: I deplore their actions, but support their right to make them. Don't like their actions? Don't send your child to that school! I don't think girls should have to cover their heads, so I would not join a religion or send my children to a school that believes that. I do not think it is my place to judge a person's relationship with God, so I would never send my children to a church or school where comments like, "All gays go to hell" or "all people who have abortions go to hell" etc. I deplore those statements, but again, I support their right to say it.

I find it somewhat ironic that people are on this thread calling the churches intolerant, when they themselves are intolerant of the churches' beliefs. Just because you don't agree with somebody's beliefs doesn't mean that they should change it. I would actually lose respect for them if they did. That is one of the things I love about America- the plethora of beliefs, even those that I don't agree with.
 
This is an issue between a person and God. I had friends who were falsely accused of being gays and lesbians and were forced out of religious schools.I have even gay friends who were falsely accused of being straight get thrown out of clubs.
 
Would you be in favor of withholding certain rights from all sinners?

They did not lose any rights. They were not being denied an education. They were be expelled from a private school. They were still free to enroll in other private schools or in public schools. Just because they have a right under California law to an education, doesn't mean that all schools must admit and retain them. Only if you can establish that they were unable to get a reasonable education could you claim that they were being denied their rights.

Saying that they have been denied the right to an education is like crying censorship because someone doesn't want to publish your book. Your right to free speech doesn't compel anyone to publish your writings. Your right to an education doesn't compel any private school to educate you.

The members of the church have a right to free association. As boorish and distasteful as it may be for them to have discriminated against those girls, it is their right to do so. Think of what it would mean if we denied private groups the right to free association. Nazis could join and disrupt civil rights groups. Gay and lesbian groups could not refuse membership to those that hated them.

As much as I disapprove of how it looks like the school behaved, I am not willing to set aside the first amendment just so these girls can go to that particular school. I argue against teaching religious doctrine in our public schools. One reason that I do so is that religious people are free to set up and run their own schools. I don't want to see them lose that freedom.
 


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