Late spring 2025 incentives (April 29-July 14)

[Sandisw]

When you mention benefits I'm assuming you mean benefits for DVC/DVD not for us as DVC Members?

Yes, for them…because they sell them as RTU plans vs deeded, which changes things..

They also can do things they can’t do with the leasehold condo model.

 

[disneylandtour]

Wow. That is pretty shocking. I would walk if they wouldn’t give it to me. But I’m petty like that.

I do wonder what they'd say to losing a $30k sale over a screen shot versus card.

 

[disneylandtour]

UGH I am sorry. I should have checked mine before suggesting this. I have the same "Your digital card is loading..." error and I have been D23 Gold for years. It seems like the digital card is having some issues (even reported on Reddit).

https://www.reddit.com/r/D23/comments/1l3rduv/problems_with_digital_member_card

When you pull it up digitally it displays an image that's identical to the back of the physical card (gray, shows your name, expiration, etc) which is why I suggested it.

I would honestly check the app daily to see if it's fixed before your physical one comes.

I've been a member for years and years, and it still says "your digital card is loading...please check back soon!"

Disney Tech.

 

[maui22]

@Sandisw is there anything preventing Disney selling every RTU contract with 50 years? For example, if CFW had 50 years in 2024, could they still sell it with 50 years in 2025, and 50 years in 2026, etc?

 

[Sandisw]

@Sandisw is there anything preventing Disney selling every RTU contract with 50 years? For example, if CFW had 50 years in 2024, could they still sell it with 50 years in 2025, and 50 years in 2026, etc?

They can add as many RTU plans as they want under the trust association model.

The current RTU plan that had activated the approx. 60 cabins is set…but nothing to prevent them from doing a new one, with just cabins with a new expiration date.

That’s one of the huge, IMO, of DVd moving to the trust model, even if they add things as component sites on their own RTU plan.

I think some trusts out there have been written that all inventory is all one “home resort”.

While DVD can add inventory that way to a single RTU plan: they don’t have to.

Why I said that LSL can become part of the trust association but not necessarily be added to the CFW RTU plan to combine with the cabins.

Technically, they could create a mixed use RTU for LSL and cabins, keep a RTU for just cabins, and then sell a RTU just for LSL.

Until they give specifics on how LSL will be declared and sold, I’d say nothing is off the table for options.

 

[Patmcpsu]

For future reference, the deal for 100pts at Riviera currently is:
$235/pt Base price
$9/pt incentive @ 100pts brings it to $226/pt
Times 100 points = $22,600
$1000 AP Discount brings it to $21,600 ($216/pt)

I assume the D23 would bring it down even lower, but not privy to that as I am not a member.

 

[eticketplease]

For future reference, the deal for 100pts at Riviera currently is:
$235/pt Base price
$9/pt incentive @ 100pts brings it to $226/pt
Times 100 points = $22,600
$1000 AP Discount brings it to $21,600 ($216/pt)

I assume the D23 would bring it down even lower, but not privy to that as I am not a member.

Wasn't the base price $217 a few years ago without incentives?

 

[maui22]

For future reference, the deal for 100pts at Riviera currently is:
$235/pt Base price
$9/pt incentive @ 100pts brings it to $226/pt
Times 100 points = $22,600
$1000 AP Discount brings it to $21,600 ($216/pt)

I assume the D23 would bring it down even lower, but not privy to that as I am not a member.

Edit: based on DVCnews D23 $500 discount on 100 points for addons and 150 points for new members.
https://dvcnews.com/dvc-program-men...l-500-on-disney-vacation-club-points-purchase

 

[airjay75]

Where you'll see some serious savings on RIV is if you can talk yourself into 200 points and also take advantage of MB.
$235/pt base
$24/pt incentive (on 200-249 pts; only jumps to $26 at 250 points)
$211 pp x 200 pts = $42,200
Subtract $1,000 AP Discount
Subtract $500 D23
Subtract $4,000 MB
Total cost (before closing costs) = $36,700; divided by 200 = $183.5 per point

Doing the same number of points at Poly with same incentives, by way of comparison, will only get you down to $196.5 per point.

(Edit: These numbers are based on Current Member Discounts)

 

[WinterSolider]

Until they give specifics on how LSL will be declared and sold, I’d say nothing is off the table for options.

Why?

Why does everyone insist on coming up with these absolute insane, outrageously complicated scenarios that MIGHT be possible if you squint and stretch the limits of what the legal documents say when there's absolutely no reason for them to do so?

No, Disney is not going to sell contracts where a single resort has a floating expiration date at T+50 from when someone buys because that's stupid, end of story. I don't care if it's technically legal, it's stupid. Even if they could, they don't want to.

Honestly these questions are akin to asking "can Disney paint the Tree of Life neon purple?" and people analyzing Animal Kingdom building permits saying "yeah there's nothing legally preventing them from doing that" and then half a dozen YouTubers making videos about the "credible rumor" that Disney is going to paint the Tree of Life neon purple.

This whole conspiracy mindset pervaded the discussion of VGF2, PVB2, and especially CFW and every single time the conspiracy theorists were proven wrong and the resorts launched with the exact same 11-and-7-month windows with 50 year from on-sale expiration dates as every resort that came before. The legal structure underpinning the associations has not changed how the membership actually looks and feels in the hands of the members, outside of RIV+ resale restrictions.

cc @maui22

 

[DonkeyHoTay]

Wondering about direct incentives for Poly over the next 12 months.... I think I want another 300-500 direct points most likely at Poly, but maybe a contract at LL presuming it will allow me to get CFW cabins too (because 7 month availability is tough). I also think the conventional wisdom is buy now because prices will be higher in the future. That said, the last contract I bought was 200 direct at Poly earlier this year before they were doing MB, and then they decided to offer MB - which means I could have paid less for those 200 points if I waited. So....

- What do you think are the chances that Poly incentives will get better over the next 12 months? I think sales pace thanks to new Tower marketing campaign is going well so sellout is probably some time in the next few years; could that lead to a fire sale just to move all remaining inventory or the opposite where they tweak prices higher every cycle to squeeze every dollar out before sell out?

- There are some who say the promotions on DVC member cruises are unique and better than the incentives offered on regular DCL cruises or in the parks with a guide etc. I'm on a DVC member cruise next September... I wonder if it's worth it to wait until I get on that boat to buy these points?

 

[WinterSolider]

maybe a contract at LL presuming it will allow me to get CFW cabins too (because 7 month availability is tough).

It won't. Zero chance. None whatsoever.

 

[DonkeyHoTay]

It won't. Zero chance. None whatsoever.

LL and CFW do seem like very different products. Even though they may overlap some amenities (e.g. Hoop deedoo and Trails End?), the target buyers for each resort are probably very different. Of course I hope otherwise because it benefits me, but the closer that LL gets to completion the more I think it will be its own thing with its own lazy river and other stuff. LL owners probably don't want those CFW rubes like me in their resort anyway.

 

[eticketplease]

Disney is going to paint the Tree of Life neon purple.

This is a downer for me as I was hoping for neon pink but I guess I can live with purple.

 

[Brian Noble]

What do you think are the chances that Poly incentives will get better over the next 12 months?

I don’t know but if I had a lean you should assume it will be the opposite. My market timing cred is demonstrably horrible.

 

[airjay75]

I tend to think the safest bet is just to assume that each incentive period will get just a little bit worse than the last one. To me, so long as
Magical Beginnings is around, a bigger consideration is your UY. You will get the most bang for your buck out of that if you do it just before your UY begins.

 

[NVDISFamily]

Wasn't the base price $217 a few years ago without incentives?

Not sure about base but with discounts we were at low 160s high 150s with a fairly major breakpoint at 200 and 300 points in Summer 2022. That's when we grabbed our Riviera points.

 

[WinterSolider]

I tend to think the safest bet is just to assume that each incentive period will get just a little bit worse than the last one.

Unless you're only casually in the market and waiting for a fire sale.

I bought OWKE Direct last year for like $140.

The next time we see prices like that, I'll buy 150 more at any non-2042 resort.

 

[disneylandtour]

Why?

Why does everyone insist on coming up with these absolute insane, outrageously complicated scenarios that MIGHT be possible if you squint and stretch the limits of what the legal documents say when there's absolutely no reason for them to do so?

No, Disney is not going to sell contracts where a single resort has a floating expiration date at T+50 from when someone buys because that's stupid, end of story. I don't care if it's technically legal, it's stupid. Even if they could, they don't want to.

Honestly these questions are akin to asking "can Disney paint the Tree of Life neon purple?" and people analyzing Animal Kingdom building permits saying "yeah there's nothing legally preventing them from doing that" and then half a dozen YouTubers making videos about the "credible rumor" that Disney is going to paint the Tree of Life neon purple.

This whole conspiracy mindset pervaded the discussion of VGF2, PVB2, and especially CFW and every single time the conspiracy theorists were proven wrong and the resorts launched with the exact same 11-and-7-month windows with 50 year from on-sale expiration dates as every resort that came before. The legal structure underpinning the associations has not changed how the membership actually looks and feels in the hands of the members, outside of RIV+ resale restrictions.

cc @maui22

I agree with you--this scenario is unlikely--but this is not entirely owners' fault. If DVD was always clear and consistent in their contractual arrangements, owners--or at least most owners--wouldn't be sitting there wondering what this might mean. This is the result of vague rules (just go look at the multi-page T&C thread about changes to the wording of renting for a terrific example of pointedly vague rules) that then prompts owners to ask--again, perhaps in ridiculous ways--what else in the T&C might be purposefully arranged vaguely in a way that allows DVD to move in unpredictable ways. Or to put it simply: the greater the specificity and transparency, the greater the general trust. But the greater the vagueness... Anyway, I would be a fan of greater specificity and clarity.

 

[eticketplease]

Unless you're only casually in the market and waiting for a fire sale.

I bought OWKE Direct last year for like $140.

The next time we see prices like that, I'll buy 150 more at any non-2042 resort.

If you bought direct at this point in time it should’ve been a non 2042 resort already but perhaps you are meaning something longer than a 2057 expiration?