Land Border Opening?

[von Monster]

Oh for Pete's sake...that's almost laughable after reading the report.

It's an easy sell to those who are still afraid of travel (even amongst the vaccinated) and to those who don't travel.

Like everything now it's just a calculation of votes won vs. lost by keeping it. As the report shows it has no other purpose, as it does nothing to stop the spread.

 

[ilovetotravel1977]

The Gov't thinks their idea is the best thing ever...they would never admit that it's pointless. This will be around until the fall for sure.

 

[ronandannette]

It's an easy sell to those who are still afraid of travel (even amongst the vaccinated) and to those who don't travel.

Like everything now it's just a calculation of votes won vs. lost by keeping it. As the report shows it has no other purpose, as it does nothing to stop the spread.

As I recall it, the only purpose it ever had was to punish and deter Canadians that were daring to think about vacationing during spring break. Honestly, I've never had one single conversation with anyone, traveller or not, that didn't think the entire thing was ridiculous - and that was even before we found out how ridiculously it's actually played out.

 

[Mikey15]

Monday morning update! ON had a great vaccination weekend and I got my own 1st dose!
We're at 64.8%/5.5% 1st/2nd and that much closer to 75/20!

Western provinces report later so that Canadian totals won't be until later, but Canada average is very close to ON actual due to how much of Canada lives here.

 

[KNovacovschi]

Monday morning update! ON had a great vaccination weekend and I got my own 1st dose!
We're at 64.8%/5.5% 1st/2nd and that much closer to 75/20!

Western provinces report later so that Canadian totals won't be until later, but Canada average is very close to ON actual due to how much of Canada lives here.

I don’t think it will take much longer to hit 75%, now if Ford would stick to once we hit 60% we can start reopening yet here we are.

 

[Donald - my hero]

I don’t think it will take much longer to hit 75%, now if Ford would stick to once we hit 60% we can start reopening yet here we are.

we need to remember that there's more than just the vaccination rate to the metrics being used - the ones that are more nebulous like hospital and ICU numbers, the R value and the 2 weeks post vaccine. We will get to the next step soon, but it's really hard to wait!!

 

[von Monster]

Monday morning update! ON had a great vaccination weekend and I got my own 1st dose!
We're at 64.8%/5.5% 1st/2nd and that much closer to 75/20!

Western provinces report later so that Canadian totals won't be until later, but Canada average is very close to ON actual due to how much of Canada lives here.

Ontario just posted it's lowest daily case count since February.

https://www.cp24.com/mobile/news/on...-covid-19-case-count-since-february-1.5449575

 

[Pumpkin1172]

Health Minister said the quarantine hotel isn't going away anytime soon...(scroll down to see)

Oh for Pete's sake...that's almost laughable after reading the report.

The Gov't thinks their idea is the best thing ever...they would never admit that it's pointless. This will be around until the fall for sure.

As I recall it, the only purpose it ever had was to punish and deter Canadians that were daring to think about vacationing during spring break. Honestly, I've never had one single conversation with anyone, traveller or not, that didn't think the entire thing was ridiculous - and that was even before we found out how ridiculously it's actually played out.

I can't agree more. This was just a tactic to keep the restless people in line. If they had really been serious about keeping the virus out of Canada or heck...even the variants...they would have done the same thing as other countries such as Australia & New Zealand. Their performance through the last 15 + months is laughable at this point

 

[TommyJK]

Ontario just posted it's lowest daily case count since February.

https://www.cp24.com/mobile/news/on...-covid-19-case-count-since-february-1.5449575

Daily case count isn't really the best metric to use and I really wish the media would stop treating it as the primary number to guage things by. While the number is the lowest since February, the number of tests it's based on is also one of the lowest this year.

Positivity rate is the most important metric because it's telling us what percent of tests are positive so it takes into account the number of tests done as well. And today's positivy is higher than the last few days. Ontario has a strange trend in terms of numbers of tests it does daily (it goes up during the week and then plumets down, then goes back up follwed by a plumet.....etc). But the good news is that the overall trend continues to go down overall.

 

[Pumpkin1172]

It is the same here in Alberta, BUT when it goes back up again, it is never as high as it was before - that was what Hinshaw has stressed. The numbers may go up slightly, but it is slowly lowering the peak each time. And I know here...she talks about the R Value. Ours has come down by over 50% since our peak at the end of April/beginning of May.

It is encouraging.

 

[ilovetotravel1977]

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[ilovetotravel1977]

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[TommyJK]

It is the same here in Alberta, BUT when it goes back up again, it is never as high as it was before - that was what Hinshaw has stressed. The numbers may go up slightly, but it is slowly lowering the peak each time. And I know here...she talks about the R Value. Ours has come down by over 50% since our peak at the end of April/beginning of May.

It is encouraging.

Yes indeed. Reproductive number is also highly imporant. You need to be below 1 for spread to reduce. In Ontario we're at .82 and continue to trend down on this numbe as well

 

[HappilyEverAfter80]

My guess is that kids will be exempt.

That’s just it - whatever they plan to do about kids of all ages should be announced soon. Along with the plan period. Will kids need a test but if negative no quarantine? Exempt under 12, or not at all?

 

[kuhltiffany]

Re: the 60%, 75% requirements for vaccination tied to reopening stages. I've heard that that number may not be an overall number for the province, but instead a requirement for ALL public health units before we move to the next stage, has anyone else seen if that was clarified?

 

[Sue M]

I have to say when BC restricted travel to staying in your own health authority within the province after reaching all time high of over 1,000 cases a day it worked and now we are at 300 cases or less daily. Added that we also have a high vaccination rate things are looking up here. We are now into our reopening phase. We are starting on 2nd vaccines finally. The interval has decreased to 2 months between doses from original 4month. Husband has appt for 2nd jab on Sunday yay!.

Once we all have 2nd jab we should be able to travel with proof of vaccine! But even to get into the US by air we need a negative Covid test regardless of vaccine status . I’m hoping rules change soon. No more tests or quarantine if fully vaccinated!

 

[kuhltiffany]

The rates will likely be climbing this week due to the outcome of Long Weekend activities...

Daily case count isn't really the best metric to use and I really wish the media would stop treating it as the primary number to guage things by. While the number is the lowest since February, the number of tests it's based on is also one of the lowest this year.

Positivity rate is the most important metric because it's telling us what percent of tests are positive so it takes into account the number of tests done as well. And today's positivy is higher than the last few days. Ontario has a strange trend in terms of numbers of tests it does daily (it goes up during the week and then plumets down, then goes back up follwed by a plumet.....etc). But the good news is that the overall trend continues to go down overall.

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[ronandannette]

The rates will likely be climbing this week due to the outcome of Long Weekend activities...

Or not. Either vaccines will begin to show their effect regardless of our activities or we're permanently screwed.

 

[TommyJK]

Or not. Either vaccines will begin to show their effect regardless of our activities or we're permanently screwed.

I tend to be on the side of continued "wavy" decrease too. We know that the vaccines work and we continue to tick up in the jab department. And the fact that increase in activity looks to be primarily outdoors, along with Peel and Toronto regions continuing to shut workplaces that have 5 or more cases come up I'd wager we keep seeing the decrease in positivity and R number.

 

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