Land Border Opening?

[TommyJK]

NB just announced their reopening plan...its even better than I could have imagined. Starting July 1, we can go to Maine back and forth without quarantining if vaccinated with one dose. This is HUGE for a province that has had such strict isolation requirements. They said it was pending federal government reopening the US border, but they must have a feeling it will be opening by then to announce this. I thought it was interesting.

ETA: Our Premier just said there is a Premiers call tonight with the PM and he expect more info to be given there on the date for Us border target reopening... so stay tuned...

This will be very interesting to see if they can pull it off - Localized border crossing, like your example of NB with Maine. I'm not sure how it would work in general becasue one could go from Maine to NB and vice versa but what's stopping anyone from say travelling all over America or Canada after crossing at those specific borders.

Similarly we could have examples like with Manitoba on the brink of collapse of their health care system with their surges. You probably wouldn't want to allow crossings into and out of Manitoba while their situation is still dire, but what would stop someone from "looping around" via another province?

All very interesting and will love to see how it all shakes out.

 

[Minniemoo15]

This will be very interesting to see if they can pull it off - Localized border crossing, like your example of NB with Maine. I'm not sure how it would work in general becasue one could go from Maine to NB and vice versa but what's stopping anyone from say travelling all over America or Canada after crossing at those specific borders.

Similarly we could have examples like with Manitoba on the brink of collapse of their health care system with their surges. You probably wouldn't want to allow crossings into and out of Manitoba while their situation is still dire, but what would stop someone from "looping around" via another province?

All very interesting and will love to see how it all shakes out.

I think the thinking is that once the US border opens, Mainers can come in without having to quarantine. Other states may have to.

Right now anyone coming into NB for any reason, including from any other Canadian province, has to isolate for 14 days. We have had very strict self isolation rules throughout this whole time.

 

[NewYKRunner]

Right now anyone coming into NB for any reason, including from any other Canadian province, has to isolate for 14 days. We have had very strict self isolation rules throughout this whole time.

We were the same until a few weeks ago. Anyone fully vaccinated only has to isolate for 8 days now, with a test completed on the 8th day. If you're a local resident returning, anyone in your household who is fully vaccinated does not have to isolate while you isolate. I know not many Canadians are fully vaccinated compared to us but it's a decent step forward. BC just announced they are shortening their second dose time frame so hopefully more provinces are able to follow suit. Canada seems to have enough doses on hand now to start that.

 

[von Monster]

Looks like the decision might be made for Trudeau -

U.S. border to re-open June 22 | All Point Bulletin
Reports that U.S. border to Canada could reopen on June 22 untrue: sources | Globalnews.ca

Now this would only affect traffic going into the USA - traffic coming back would still be subject to Canadian rules in that the US border would be 'open' and the Canadian would not be. However if I was a gambler I would suspect this was a gambit from the US to get movement on this file.

 

[wdwmom3]

Looks like the decision might be made for Trudeau -

U.S. border to re-open June 22 | All Point Bulletin
Reports that U.S. border to Canada could reopen on June 22 untrue: sources | Globalnews.ca

Now this would only affect traffic going into the USA - traffic coming back would still be subject to Canadian rules in that the US border would be 'open' and the Canadian would not be. However if I was a gambler I would suspect this was a gambit from the US to get movement on this file.

How is this really any different considering you could grab a flight to the US this entire time?

 

[von Monster]

How is this really any different considering you could grab a flight to the US this entire time?

It isn't except it would allow people to drive across and make the border closure solely a Canadian government issue.

Right now the closure is 'mutual', but it gets harder to defend politically if it's only one way. As the flight loophole shows this is primarily a Canadian government issue the US was going along with for the sake of appearances.

 

[Jrb1979]

It isn't except it would allow people to drive across and make the border closure solely a Canadian government issue.

Right now the closure is 'mutual', but it gets harder to defend politically if it's only one way. As the flight loophole shows this is primarily a Canadian government issue the US was going along with for the sake of appearances.

I would be fine if they open it but keep the quarantine in place for those not vaccinated. If you are vaccinated you are free to cross.

 

[bcwife76]

Looks like the decision might be made for Trudeau -

U.S. border to re-open June 22 | All Point Bulletin
Reports that U.S. border to Canada could reopen on June 22 untrue: sources | Globalnews.ca

Now this would only affect traffic going into the USA - traffic coming back would still be subject to Canadian rules in that the US border would be 'open' and the Canadian would not be. However if I was a gambler I would suspect this was a gambit from the US to get movement on this file.

According to the White House this isn't true:

https://globalnews.ca/news/7899295/...PlrxC9YUfeQi6N0gS_o2FwLbaIHXJa7nphsoTt7RJQSho
So did someone spill the beans too early or.....???

 

[von Monster]

According to the White House this isn't true:

https://globalnews.ca/news/7899295/...PlrxC9YUfeQi6N0gS_o2FwLbaIHXJa7nphsoTt7RJQSho
So did someone spill the beans too early or.....???

I included the response of it not being true Global news link, but combined with the US pushing for a reopening by Independence Day, the leak, and the federal advisory panel recommending that fully vaccinated people exempt from quarantine news today it seems to me someone spilled information they weren't supposed to.

I could be wrong, but this really feels like it's a thing now.

 

[bcwife76]

I included the response of it not being true Global news link, but combined with the US pushing for a reopening by Independence Day, the leak, and the federal advisory panel recommending that fully vaccinated people exempt from quarantine news today it seems to me someone spilled information they weren't supposed to.

I could be wrong, but this really feels like it's a thing now.

There's definitely a lot of information floating around so I mean...yeah. Where there's smoke, there's fire

 

[ilovetotravel1977]

I just read this article, which is very promising:

Ottawa finally has a framework for restarting travel, easing rules for vaxxed travellers. It needs to act now.

https://news.paxeditions.com/news/o...sing-rules-vaxxed-travellers-it-needs-act-now
I know this is the land border thread, but it will be the same in the end.

 

[TommyJK]

I just read this article, which is very promising:

Ottawa finally has a framework for restarting travel, easing rules for vaxxed travellers. It needs to act now.

https://news.paxeditions.com/news/o...sing-rules-vaxxed-travellers-it-needs-act-now
I know this is the land border thread, but it will be the same in the end.

From the recommendations:

"But here’s a key nugget in the report: travellers that can show proof of vaccination should be allowed to skip the pre-departure test, quarantine requirement or day seven test, the panel says. "

Let's hope this becomes a reality!

 

[wdwmom3]

From the recommendations:

"But here’s a key nugget in the report: travellers that can show proof of vaccination should be allowed to skip the pre-departure test, quarantine requirement or day seven test, the panel says. "

Let's hope this becomes a reality!

I wonder if they do this, will they make an exemption for kids under 12? Or will we have to wait to travel with kids?

 

[Gigi22]

To me the rumours look a lot like a “trial balloon” — information leaked deliberately to assess the degree of public support, if any. That would make it a possibility, nothing more.

 

[Jrb1979]

I wonder if they do this, will they make an exemption for kids under 12? Or will we have to wait to travel with kids?

I'm guessing kids will have to show a negative test to cross

 

[damo]

I'm guessing kids will have to show a negative test to cross

My guess is that kids will be exempt.

 

[Jrb1979]

My guess is that kids will be exempt.

I hope not.

 

[azrivest]

They can't not exempt kids under 12. Until there's a vaccine available for them, it would render all this easing of restrictions practically useless.

 

[wdwmom3]

To me the rumours look a lot like a “trial balloon” — information leaked deliberately to assess the degree of public support, if any. That would make it a possibility, nothing more.

I agree with this.

 

[bcwife76]

I'm guessing kids will have to show a negative test to cross

I'm good with this. I'm not, however, agreeable to a quarantine just for my 10 year old (unless, of course, she were to test positive).