Kerry criticizes election outcome

[dmadman43]

*sigh*

Okay - where do I begin. He is not disputing the fact that he LOST the election. He is disputing the way the elections are ran. We have 50 different states, and 50 different ways of cating a vote (exagerating a bit here). These are federal elections therefore every state should have the exact same voting machines and regulations this way we can be assured that every vote is counted.

~Amanda

In theory, I agree 100%. In practice, it will be very hard to do implement in practice given that the Constitution leaves this to the states to decide.

I agree with Kerry, in theory.

 

[dmadman43]

I'd rather be with Moore and Soros then you and Nixon, Bu$h, Lott, Cheney and Rove.

Well, who would want to be Nixon? He's dead.

 

[Enigma]

Amen Bella
The Dems never had a problem with the election "system" as long as they were running roughshod over everyone with their cheating. The cheating continues, but has recently been overwhelmed by the tremendous outpouring of genuine support for conservative principles. The liberals are dying off as a political force and they are in denial over the passing of their forty year stranglehold on politics.

(...shorted for everyone's sake)

Democrats have been winning elections by fraud forever. They just cannot believe that cheating is not enough anymore = they are being rejected en masse and don't have the sense to realize it.

They think if they can tinker with the system just one more time they can again tilt it their way.

Left Wing Radicals - get used to the cold - you are out in it - until you rejoin decent human conversation, you are going to get more and more lonely out there. Say hello to Michael Moore and George Soros - Hope you enjoy each others' company.

Your name implies that you are a rocket scientist, but are we talking model rockets?

 

[ThAnswr]

Amen Bella
The Dems never had a problem with the election "system" as long as they were running roughshod over everyone with their cheating. The cheating continues, but has recently been overwhelmed by the tremendous outpouring of genuine support for conservative principles. The liberals are dying off as a political force and they are in denial over the passing of their forty year stranglehold on politics.

Democrats see nothing wrong with precincts that turn out 120% of their registered voters - they see nothing wrong with precincts that always seem to "discover" a new box of ballots after the first count has been processed, knowing that somehow this "newly discovered" ballot box always has just enough votes in it to alter the outcome of a close election. Democrats see nothing wrong with having thousands of non-existant, or dead, people registered in their heavily Democrat precincts. They see nothing wrong with hauling bums out from underpasses and senile seniors from nursing homes to the polls and then offering to "help" them cast their ballots.

Democrats have been winning elections by fraud forever. They just cannot believe that cheating is not enough anymore = they are being rejected en masse and don't have the sense to realize it.

They think if they can tinker with the system just one more time they can again tilt it their way.

Left Wing Radicals - get used to the cold - you are out in it - until you rejoin decent human conversation, you are going to get more and more lonely out there. Say hello to Michael Moore and George Soros - Hope you enjoy each others' company.

Rok, this is an intervention. Put down the crack pipe.

 

[BuckNaked]

Ever since the the 2000 elections many people feel that we should have had a more unified voting process for the 2004 elections. This didn't happen. Senator Kerry is now trying to insure that it does. It has nothing to do with him winning or losing - nice that you jump to that conclusion.

~Amanda

Of course there wasn't a more unified voting process for 2004 - because it can't be done with changing the Constitution. If people want to jump into that, have at it. I'm all for making sure that everyone that is eligible to vote is able to do so. But I really don't understand why people can't understand the very simple concept that there really is no such thing as "a" Presidential election, rather there are 51 separate and distinct elections.

He's no one's President

Finally, something I can drink to!!

 

[peachgirl]

Rok, this is an intervention. Put down the crack pipe.

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[richiebaseball]

Well, who would want to be Nixon? He's dead.

Maybe John Kerry should have taken a page out of Nixon's playbook. Had he been dead, maybe he would have had a better chance. I hear it has happened before.

Richard

 

[MUFFYCAT]

I just wonder would you all complain if both elections resulted if Gore & Kerry had won? The election is OVER.
But come next election if the Democratic candidate wins, can the Republicans complain as you have all done for the last 5 years?

 

[momof2inPA]

Advances in technologies associated with voting machines have created a variety of new concerns. Why anyone, especially with an engineering background, wouldn't want these concerns addressed is beyond me.

 

[peachgirl]

But come next election if the Democratic candidate wins, can the Republicans complain as you have all done for the last 5 years?

Considering the complaining they did while Clinton was in office, I think you can count on it.

 

[BuckNaked]

Advances in technologies associated with voting machines have created a variety of new concerns. Why anyone, especially with an engineering background, wouldn't want these concerns addressed is beyond me.

I personally have no problem with addressing concerns that people have about voting technologies, but I would like to see an equal amount of angst over voter responsibility or lack thereof.

And for anyone to claim that Senator Kerry or anyone else can see to it that there is standardized voting methods nationwide is ridiculous. First off, it would take an amendment and second, I can't see it ever happening. I don't see any way that the states will be willing to turn over their power to run their own elections to the federal government.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I personally have no problem with addressing concerns that people have about voting technologies, but I would like to see an equal amount of angst over voter responsibility or lack thereof.

And for anyone to claim that Senator Kerry or anyone else can see to it that there is standardized voting methods nationwide is ridiculous. First off, it would take an amendment and second, I can't see it ever happening. I don't see any way that the states will be willing to turn over their power to run their own elections to the federal government.

Exactly--there is only ONE national office that is voted on--everything else are STATE and local elections--and the only STATE elections are limited mostly to 3 offices of 1 Governor and 2 Senators (if other states have different statewide elections, I am not aware of them).

Everything else is LOCAL which is why, at least in Florida, that elections are operated by the county. They make the ballots, they run the machines--it's the county's responsibility.

 

[momof2inPA]

I personally have no problem with addressing concerns that people have about voting technologies, but I would like to see an equal amount of angst over voter responsibility or lack thereof.

And for anyone to claim that Senator Kerry or anyone else can see to it that there is standardized voting methods nationwide is ridiculous. First off, it would take an amendment and second, I can't see it ever happening. I don't see any way that the states will be willing to turn over their power to run their own elections to the federal government.

Specifically, how would you address voter responsibility issues?

Minimum standards for state voting methods should be set by the federal government. Would John Kerry be able to acheive this feat, not without Bu$h, at this point. He has political currency, I wish he would spend it on something constructive instead of destructive for a change.

 

[BuckNaked]

Specifically, how would you address voter responsibility issues?

Simple - voter education. It needs to be made clear to voters that if they don't follow directions and cast their ballots according to those directions, there is a very good chance that their vote will not be counted. My absentee ballot included instructions that I was fill in the solid line (about 1/4 inch thick) next to my candidate's name. If I had simply drawn a straight line, rather than following the instructions, my vote most likely would not have been counted. And that would have been MY fault, not the fault of the voting method, the counting method, the county election supervisor or the Florida Secretary of State. It would have been my fault and mine alone. If it had told me to fill in a circle and I had put in a check mark, whose fault would it have been that vote didn't count? Mine. If it had told me to punch the card all the way through and make sure that no paper was hanging from the back of the ballot, and I didn't do that, whose fault would it have been if my vote didn't count? Mine. Voting is not just a right, it is also a responsibility, and people need to realize that and start taking responsibility for their own incompetence.

Minimum standards for state voting methods should be set by the federal government.

Again, this can't be done without a Constitutional amendment. States have the explicit right, spelled out in the Constitution, to determine how their electors will be selected. How do you propose the government get around this without an amendment? And what makes you think the states would ever go along with it?

 

[Disney Doll]

I agree wholeheartedly that the process of voting should be uniform for all 50 states and for every election, whther it be local, state, or federal.

That being said, in my state, the voting process is the same for every type of election. We go to our local school, step into a voting booth, choose our candidates, and exit. Same voting booths, same process. While the process is different form state to state, I assume that the process for each voting district is the same for every type of election. Therefore, I wonder why Senator Kerry was never concerned about the voting process before, when he was running for Senator? Oh, maybe that's because he won those races. I guess if you win, the process is fine. If you lose, it's flawed.

Makes sense to me.

 

[BuckNaked]

I agree wholeheartedly that the process of voting should be uniform for all 50 states and for every election, whther it be local, state, or federal.

While I wouldn't care one way or the other, I don't see this ever happening. I don't believe the states have any reason to turn over their power in this regard, and unless they choose to give it up, it can't be taken from them.

 

[marybet]

I live in Alabama and we had a city election that was held on a different day than the state and county elections. I had to vote in a different place, it was just strange. It was probably done that way to keep the blacks and the poor from voting. They also have run off elections if no candidate gets 50%, so it is another trip to the polls to vote for usually just one race. Living in the South can seem like another country.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I agree wholeheartedly that the process of voting should be uniform for all 50 states and for every election, whther it be local, state, or federal.

That being said, in my state, the voting process is the same for every type of election. We go to our local school, step into a voting booth, choose our candidates, and exit. Same voting booths, same process. While the process is different form state to state, I assume that the process for each voting district is the same for every type of election. Therefore, I wonder why Senator Kerry was never concerned about the voting process before, when he was running for Senator? Oh, maybe that's because he won those races. I guess if you win, the process is fine. If you lose, it's flawed.

Makes sense to me.

In Florida--different counties can function differently. Within the county,all precincts (I think) vote exactly the same method.

 

[dmadman43]

It was probably done that way to keep the blacks and the poor from voting.

Yeah, I'm sure that was it.

 

[Southern4sure]

It was probably done that way to keep the blacks and the poor from voting.

What a racist thing to say! That is pure ignorant. Alabama is a poor state because of the voters. Gov. Riley had a great plan to help Alabama get out of the below standard situation it has always been in and Alabamians voted it down. It's obvious Alabamians like being ranked 50. I guess if the blacks and the poor had voted, you and I both would be paying more taxes. God forbid we pay more!

Southern4sure