Kerry criticizes election outcome

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Kerry criticizes election outcome
Tuesday, January 18, 2005 Posted: 9:24 AM EST (1424 GMT)

BOSTON (AP) -- Sen. John Kerry, in some of his most pointed public comments yet about the presidential election, invoked Martin Luther King Jr.'s legacy on Monday as he criticized President Bush and decried reports of voter disenfranchisement.

The Massachusetts Democrat, Bush's challenger in the November presidential election, spoke at Boston's annual Martin Luther King Day Breakfast. He reiterated that he decided not to challenge the election results, but "thousands of people were suppressed in the effort to vote."

"Voting machines were distributed in uneven ways. In Democratic districts, it took people four, five, eleven hours to vote, while Republicans (went) through in 10 minutes -- same voting machines, same process, our America," he said.

In his comments, Kerry also compared the democracy-building efforts in Iraq with voting in the United States, saying that Americans had their names purged from voting lists and were kept from casting ballots.

"In a nation which is willing to spend several hundred million dollars in Iraq to bring them democracy, we cannot tolerate that here in America too many people were denied that democracy," Kerry said.

Voting irregularities in Ohio drove primarily Democratic challenges to the November 2 election, but Congress affirmed President Bush the winner. The Ohio Supreme Court last week dismissed a lawsuit that cited Election Day problems including long lines, and a shortage of voting machines in predominantly minority neighborhoods.

Massachusetts' Republican Gov. Mitt Romney cautioned that there are also Republican concerns about voter fraud on the Democratic side.

"I think it's helpful if elected officials and leaders look at both sides of the issues, and that we take action to make sure that citizens qualified to vote do vote, and that people do not defraud the system," Romney said after the breakfast.

Outside the hall, Kerry discussed his recent two-week trip to the Middle East and Europe.
"All of the Arab world is deeply disturbed by the absence of sufficient political diplomacy -- the reconciliation necessary between Shia and Sunni," he said of the war in Iraq and the Jan. 30 election there.

Kerry said the Bush administration has failed to properly train Iraqi forces to handle uprisings.
He said he found similar concerns in Europe.

"Throughout Europe, as I met with European leaders, it's clear that they're prepared to do more, but the [Bush] administration has not put the structure together for people to be able to do it," he said.

Kerry declined to specify which leaders expressed a desire to help more with Iraq, or how. He met separately last week with French President Jacques Chirac and German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder. Both leaders have been critical of the U.S.-led invasion.

cnn piece

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John Kerry tours old Damascus on January 8
following his talks in the Syrian capital.



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*sigh*

Okay - where do I begin. He is not disputing the fact that he LOST the election. He is disputing the way the elections are ran. We have 50 different states, and 50 different ways of cating a vote (exagerating a bit here). These are federal elections therefore every state should have the exact same voting machines and regulations this way we can be assured that every vote is counted.

~Amanda
 
Thank you Amanda. Some people just don't understand that the voting process has many flaws and does need repaired.
 
So I guess what you are saying is that if he won he would not have disputed the way elections are run? Well elections have been run this way for years so how come he has just had this startling epifiany. How come he has not had a problem with the "system" before now?
 

marybet said:
Thank you Amanda. Some people just don't understand that the voting process has many flaws and does need repaired.

::yes:: I think it has something to do with hubris and stupidity
 
septbride2002 said:
*sigh*

Okay - where do I begin. He is not disputing the fact that he LOST the election. He is disputing the way the elections are ran. We have 50 different states, and 50 different ways of cating a vote (exagerating a bit here). These are federal elections therefore every state should have the exact same voting machines and regulations this way we can be assured that every vote is counted.

~Amanda


yes. well said. thanks.
 
Bella the Ball 360 said:
So I guess what you are saying is that if he won he would not have disputed the way elections are run? Well elections have been run this way for years so how come he has just had this startling epifiany. How come he has not had a problem with the "system" before now?

Ever since the the 2000 elections many people feel that we should have had a more unified voting process for the 2004 elections. This didn't happen. Senator Kerry is now trying to insure that it does. It has nothing to do with him winning or losing - nice that you jump to that conclusion.

~Amanda
 
Bella the Ball 360 said:
So I guess what you are saying is that if he won he would not have disputed the way elections are run? Well elections have been run this way for years so how come he has just had this startling epifiany. How come he has not had a problem with the "system" before now?

He wasn't personally involved before now. Besides, there have been lots of questions about accurate voting since 2000. On this board, many Bush supporters expressed worry about the 2004 election being "stolen" by the Democrats.
 
septbride2002 said:
*sigh*

Okay - where do I begin. He is not disputing the fact that he LOST the election. He is disputing the way the elections are ran. We have 50 different states, and 50 different ways of cating a vote (exagerating a bit here). These are federal elections therefore every state should have the exact same voting machines and regulations this way we can be assured that every vote is counted.

~Amanda

We could be so lucky if it was ONLY 50 different ways. I don't know about other states--but in Florida--the Supervisor of Elections govern how the elections will operate in a given county--be it the type of ballots they use
to where precincts will be located to the types of ballot county they will do.

I do agree that this is a nutsy way to do the elections process--but it does make sense that the state and/or counties do decide how to do elections b/c we only vote for 1 national office every four years and the only statewide office we vote for is Governor and state senators--all other votes are limited to districts, county and city. Additonally--they pay for all this at the county level, I believe.

I am sure these problems that Kerry speaks about have been ongoing for years and have only come to a passionate national debate in the last 2 elections with the results being so close. (At least the last election is when I noticed it being publicized.) Why does it take a controversial incident to spark the efforts to make things fair?
 
Bella the Ball 360 said:
So I guess what you are saying is that if he won he would not have disputed the way elections are run? Well elections have been run this way for years so how come he has just had this startling epifiany. How come he has not had a problem with the "system" before now?
Amen Bella
The Dems never had a problem with the election "system" as long as they were running roughshod over everyone with their cheating. The cheating continues, but has recently been overwhelmed by the tremendous outpouring of genuine support for conservative principles. The liberals are dying off as a political force and they are in denial over the passing of their forty year stranglehold on politics.

Democrats see nothing wrong with precincts that turn out 120% of their registered voters - they see nothing wrong with precincts that always seem to "discover" a new box of ballots after the first count has been processed, knowing that somehow this "newly discovered" ballot box always has just enough votes in it to alter the outcome of a close election. Democrats see nothing wrong with having thousands of non-existant, or dead, people registered in their heavily Democrat precincts. They see nothing wrong with hauling bums out from underpasses and senile seniors from nursing homes to the polls and then offering to "help" them cast their ballots.

Democrats have been winning elections by fraud forever. They just cannot believe that cheating is not enough anymore = they are being rejected en masse and don't have the sense to realize it.

They think if they can tinker with the system just one more time they can again tilt it their way.

Left Wing Radicals - get used to the cold - you are out in it - until you rejoin decent human conversation, you are going to get more and more lonely out there. Say hello to Michael Moore and George Soros - Hope you enjoy each others' company.
 
septbride2002 said:
Ever since the the 2000 elections many people feel that we should have had a more unified voting process for the 2004 elections. This didn't happen. Senator Kerry is now trying to insure that it does. It has nothing to do with him winning or losing - nice that you jump to that conclusion.

~Amanda

In those 4 years--they just focused on fixing Florida. Specifically, south Florida.

I think he is becoming a "spokesperson" of sorts b/c of his defeat--and the idea that in a perfect world if everybody had access to a perfect voting method, that he would have won. If he was the one that won the election by 2%, I doubt that he would have had this on his agenda.

It will take time to have every county in the country on the same voting machines and methods.

I vote for the optical readers--those work really swell in my county and we had NO problems in our country in 2000 and 2004.
 
septbride2002 said:
*sigh*

Okay - where do I begin. He is not disputing the fact that he LOST the election. He is disputing the way the elections are ran. We have 50 different states, and 50 different ways of cating a vote (exagerating a bit here). These are federal elections therefore every state should have the exact same voting machines and regulations this way we can be assured that every vote is counted.

~Amanda


I guess the link took you to a totally different place…I don’t see one thing in your post that is in the cnn Kerry piece.

I do see Kerry whining about this:

"Voting machines were distributed in uneven ways. In Democratic districts, it took people four, five, eleven hours to vote, while Republicans (went) through in 10 minutes -- same voting machines, same process, our America," he said.

And I do I see that the Ohio Supreme Court said this:

The Ohio Supreme Court last week dismissed a lawsuit that cited Election Day problems including long lines, and a shortage of voting machines in predominantly minority neighborhoods.

And talk about a *sigh* how many times have you heard this line during the election from Kerrry? 10,000? 20,000?

Kerry said the Bush administration has failed to properly train Iraqi forces to handle uprisings.

And this *sigh* classic from Kerry…same old same old…from the horse’s mouth:

"Throughout Europe, as I met with European leaders, it's clear that they're prepared to do more, but the [Bush] administration has not put the structure together for people to be able to do it," he said.

And of course when asked which leaders:

Kerry declined to specify which leaders expressed a desire to help more with Iraq, or how.


Hey peachgirl…..


Kerry is not my President
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Rokkitsci said:
Amen Bella
The Dems never had a problem with the election "system" as long as they were running roughshod over everyone with their cheating. The cheating continues, but has recently been overwhelmed by the tremendous outpouring of genuine support for conservative principles. The liberals are dying off as a political force and they are in denial over the passing of their forty year stranglehold on politics.

Democrats see nothing wrong with precincts that turn out 120% of their registered voters - they see nothing wrong with precincts that always seem to "discover" a new box of ballots after the first count has been processed, knowing that somehow this "newly discovered" ballot box always has just enough votes in it to alter the outcome of a close election. Democrats see nothing wrong with having thousands of non-existant, or dead, people registered in their heavily Democrat precincts. They see nothing wrong with hauling bums out from underpasses and senile seniors from nursing homes to the polls and then offering to "help" them cast their ballots.

Democrats have been winning elections by fraud forever. They just cannot believe that cheating is not enough anymore = they are being rejected en masse and don't have the sense to realize it.

They think if they can tinker with the system just one more time they can again tilt it their way.

Left Wing Radicals - get used to the cold - you are out in it - until you rejoin decent human conversation, you are going to get more and more lonely out there. Say hello to Michael Moore and George Soros - Hope you enjoy each others' company.

Why thank you so much for letting us liberals know exactly what we are thinking. You're right election fraud doesn't concern me at all :rolleyes: Do not presume to know me or anything that I care about. I happen to care very much about election fraud because it is idiots that go out and cause fraud that make my vote mean less. Not to mention that fraud can happen on both sides of the fence so I really don't think it is fair to wave your high mightly finger at me, my friends, and my family. One of the ways to actually cut down on fraud is to have a system in place that is exact. The question is why do you not want a unified system for all 50 states? Most Republicans even agree that it should be more standard. Kind of how the SAT test is a Standard - no matter where it is administered it is the same thing! Lets take a look at history shall we?

1980 to 89 - Regan
89-93 - Bush Sr.
93-2000 - Clinton
2000-2008 Bush

Please show me your sources for saying that Democrats/liberals have been committing fraud for years considering Republicans out way Dems in the last 24 years!

There is no need to ever be this insulting.

~Amanda

editted because you are not worth being banned over and I happen to have good friends on the WISH that I would miss.
 
Rokkitsci said:
Amen Bella
The Dems never had a problem with the election "system" as long as they were running roughshod over everyone with their cheating. The cheating continues, but has recently been overwhelmed by the tremendous outpouring of genuine support for conservative principles. The liberals are dying off as a political force and they are in denial over the passing of their forty year stranglehold on politics.

Democrats see nothing wrong with precincts that turn out 120% of their registered voters - they see nothing wrong with precincts that always seem to "discover" a new box of ballots after the first count has been processed, knowing that somehow this "newly discovered" ballot box always has just enough votes in it to alter the outcome of a close election. Democrats see nothing wrong with having thousands of non-existant, or dead, people registered in their heavily Democrat precincts. They see nothing wrong with hauling bums out from underpasses and senile seniors from nursing homes to the polls and then offering to "help" them cast their ballots.

Democrats have been winning elections by fraud forever. They just cannot believe that cheating is not enough anymore = they are being rejected en masse and don't have the sense to realize it.

They think if they can tinker with the system just one more time they can again tilt it their way.

Left Wing Radicals - get used to the cold - you are out in it - until you rejoin decent human conversation, you are going to get more and more lonely out there. Say hello to Michael Moore and George Soros - Hope you enjoy each others' company.

I'd rather be with Moore and Soros then you and Nixon, Bu$h, Lott, Cheney and Rove.
 
Lebjwb said:
I'd rather be with Moore and Soros then you and Nixon, Bu$h, Lott, Cheney and Rove.

Amen to that!


That deserves a big :drinking1

Anyone care to join me at the bar? :crowded:
 


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