Kerry criticizes election outcome

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momof2inPA said:
Advances in technologies associated with voting machines have created a variety of new concerns. Why anyone, especially with an engineering background, wouldn't want these concerns addressed is beyond me.

Simple. They don't want the concerns addressed because their side won. They liked the outcome.

However, what goes around, comes around. The day will come when they won't like the outcome and they'll be squealing like stuck pigs. Awwww, poor babies.

Let me backtrack a bit. The day already has come in Washington state. Pardon me if I don't get all worked up about Republicans crying about voter irregularities. Awwww, poor babies.

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Southern4sure said:
What a racist thing to say! That is pure ignorant. Alabama is a poor state because of the voters. Gov. Riley had a great plan to help Alabama get out of the below standard situation it has always been in and Alabamians voted it down. It's obvious Alabamians like being ranked 50. I guess if the blacks and the poor had voted, you and I both would be paying more taxes. God forbid we pay more!

Southern4sure

And the voters of Alabama voted down amendment 2 that would've removed official segregration from their Constitution. So, segregation remains part of the Alabama Constitution. It can't be enforced, but it's still there.
 
Rokkitsci said:
The Dems never had a problem with the election "system" as long as they were running roughshod over everyone with their cheating. The cheating continues, but has recently been overwhelmed by the tremendous outpouring of genuine support for conservative principles. The liberals are dying off as a political force and they are in denial over the passing of their forty year stranglehold on politics. ...

Democrats have been winning elections by fraud forever. They just cannot believe that cheating is not enough anymore = they are being rejected en masse and don't have the sense to realize it.
These opinions ignore the fact that it is the GOP that is the party of voter fraud and voter suppression. The RNC has been subject to an injunction banning the RNC from using voter suppression tactics such as some of the ones described in Senator's Kerry's complaint. See http://www.politicalmonitor.us/blog/_archives/2004/11/1/172554.html
For more than twenty years, the Republican National Committee has repeatedly operated so-called "ballot security programs" that have sought to suppress and intimidate African-Americans and other minorities from exercising their constitutional right to vote.

These illegal schemes have been previously enjoined by the Federal Court in the case of DNC v. RNC. The Decree in that case prohibits the RNC from implementing any "ballot security program" without prior court approval.

That lawsuit, brought in 1981, resulted in a nationwide injunction against the RNC that is still in effect today.

"The RNC has consistently sought to cloak its discriminatory efforts to suppress the minority vote in a law enforcement guise," said Judith Browne, acting co-director, Advancement Project. "Such "racial profiling" of the electorate is itself illegal. The Consent Decree in RNC v. DNC permanently enjoins the RNC from implementing any "ballot security program" without prior court approval."

The Republican Party and Republican candidates have already designated an unprecedented number of poll watchers for the November election. Moreover, Republicans have detailed these poll watchers disproportionately to predominantly African American counties.

For example, in Miami-Dade County in Florida and Hamilton County in Ohio, the Republican Party designated more of its poll watchers to the predominantly African American precincts than to other precincts.

"Despite earlier requests from the civil rights community, the Republican National Committee has failed to put an end to Republican-initiated plans to aggressively target for challenges at the polls during the November 2nd general election," said Edward Hailes, senior attorney, Advancement Project.

Based on publicly available information, it is clear that Republican officials and candidates have recruited an unparalleled number of poll watchers for the November election, relying on little-used laws that are based on statutes stemming from the Jim Crow era in our nation's history.

Recent News Accounts:
-- The Republican Party of Michigan announced that it was hoping to
recruit 1,000 poll watchers for November 2nd, and is offering to pay up
to $100 per shift. (Source: Detroit Free Press, 4/29/04, email from
state GOP representatives)

-- In Ohio, the Republican Party claims to have registered 3,600
challengers who will be inside polling places on Election Day, each
being paid $100. 1,436 of the challengers are devoted solely to Cuyahoga
County. (Sources: Columbus Dispatch, 10/24/04; New York Times, 10/23/04)

-- The Republican Party hopes to have at least 1,000 paid poll watchers
in Pennsylvania. (Source: Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, 10/24/04)

-- Wisconsin Republicans are reportedly training more than 50,000
volunteers to monitor precincts and lodge challenges. (Source: Wall
Street Journal, 10/22/04)

-- Florida is also expecting an unprecedented number of poll watchers
and challenges. (Source: St. Petersburg Times, 10/16/04)

"Voter suppression and intimidation tactics are on the rise just as voter registration successes are beginning to enable African Americans and Latinos to overcome a long history of exclusion from the political process," continued Browne." "These acts are carried out in an effort to deprive the most marginalized Americans of a voice in our democracy."

The Republican Party has also initiated massive investigations of new voters. Again, there is evidence that the efforts are focused on communities with large African American and Latino populations.

-- In Pennsylvania, Republicans purchased an official list of about
130,000 people who had registered to vote in Philadelphia in the
previous six months. They mailed letters to each, and 10,000 came back
marked as undeliverable. Reportedly they intend to challenge or
investigate these voters. (Source: Philadelphia Inquirer, 10/25/04)

-- In Ohio, the Republican Party has filed challenges against
approximately 35,000 new registrants whose notices of voter registration
were returned as undeliverable. Over 17,000 of the challenges are in
Cuyahoga County. (Source: Columbus Dispatch, 10/24/04)

-- The Wisconsin GOP is using state freedom of information laws to
obtain the names of 100,000 new voters and conduct background checks on
them. (Source: Wall Street Journal, 10/22/04)

-- In Atlanta, Republican officials have reportedly challenged voters
with Latino surnames or who identified themselves as Latino on their
voter registration applications without any evidence to substantiate the
allegations. (Source: Atlanta Journal-Constitution, 10/21/04)

-- The former state Republican Party Chair of Nevada attempted to purge
about 17,000 Democrats from the voter rolls in Clark County, Nevada on
the ground that they were inactive voters. (Source: Associated Press,
10/13/04) (The challenges were rejected by the Clark County registrar.)

"Challenges were, and currently are, used to disenfranchise minority
voters," concluded Browne. "While on their face, challenge statutes are
racially neutral their history reveals their intent."
For a conservative to make the claim that democrats cheat at elections is just plain silly and wrong. The DNC is not under any injunction right now. If any conservative can actually prove cheating by the DNC, then do so in a court of law. The only judicial determination of voter fraud has found the that RNC is the party of voter fraud and had to injoined. This injunction has been in placed for over 20 years because the RNC keeps violating it.

Senator Kerry is right to point out these problems. Given the fact that the GOP can not win unless they cheat, I do not think that these problems will be fixed.
 

What was even the point of posting this thread??? Do we really need to keep going on and on about this stuff? And this is coming from a BIG Bush supporter. I just don't see what good comes out of a thread like this. Yes I know I didn't have to open it, I have been trying to avoid these threads, but ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. The election is over. Start obsessing about the next one. SHEESH.
 
Miss Jasmine said:
What was even the point of posting this thread??? Do we really need to keep going on and on about this stuff? And this is coming from a BIG Bush supporter. I just don't see what good comes out of a thread like this. Yes I know I didn't have to open it, I have been trying to avoid these threads, but ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. The election is over. Start obsessing about the next one. SHEESH.


I came across the piece on www.cnn.com and was glad to see that Kerry was alive and well. I was thinking his wife did away with him in a vat of Heinz ketchup. I have not read or heard anything about him since November 2nd. Wouldn’t you know that the first thing that comes out of his pie hole..is the same old same old crap. It is like he is picking up right from November 3rd.

I think it is nice to have threads on the CB that deal with current events…the date on the cnn piece is January 18th.

I also like that we have those other current event threads…

“Who is more dangerous Bush or OBL”
“W is not my president”
“President is mentally ill”
“Conservatives picking on spongebob”
“should the inauguration be cancelled”

All just current events…like this thread…



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charlie said:
I also like that we have those other current event threads…

“Who is more dangerous Bush or OBL”
“W is not my president”
“President is mentally ill”
“Conservatives picking on spongebob”
“should the inauguration be cancelled”

All just current events…like this thread…



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I've seen all those, even posted on the Spongebob one. So because of all those threads you felt the need to start an anti-Kerry, anti-democrat one????? Why not just post on those threads if they bother you so much, rather than starting another hate fest? From your own list above, you can see there are already enough hate fests.
 
I love it. Conservatives make stupid and baseless claims of Democrats committing voter fraud and when confronted with the facts, they run away from the issue. Again, the GOP is the party of voter fraud and in violation of a court order, the GOP used their normal tactics in the 2004 election. See.http://www.democrats.org/news/200210300001.html
Washington, D.C. — Democratic National Committee (DNC) Chairman Terry McAuliffe issued the following statement:

As President Bush poses for a White House photo-op on election reform, it appears his officials at the Republican National Committee and in Republican campaigns across the country are leading a coordinated strategy to intimidate voters and suppress the vote.

"With election day a week away, we have already seen a disturbing number of incidents in which Republican operatives are working to chill voter turnout.

"In Arkansas, paid staff for Republican Senator Tim Hutchinson was illegally harassing African American early voters and had to be forcibly removed by law enforcement.

"In Florida, an 'anonymous' telephone marketing scheme designed to disenfranchise Democratic voters by telling them to cast their absentee ballots after election day, at which point their votes would no longer count is being investigated.

"In Missouri, the state courts were forced to intervene to stop the Republican Secretary of State's office from imposing egregious rules restricting voters' access to provisional ballots.

"The Republican National Committee issued a report that falsely accused thousands of voters of 'double-voting' in the 2000 election. A thorough examination of these charges revealed that they were "completely unfounded."

"Democrats are engaged in a national effort to promote and protect all voters' rights, through our voter rights hotline 1.866.VOTE411 and the educational work of the Voting Rights Institute.

"President Bush is the leader of the Republican party. If he truly believes in voting rights, he should call on the members of his party to put an end to their systematic effort to suppress voter turnout."
The GOP will never give up their attempts to suppress voter rights because they can not win in a fair election.
 
Southern4sure said:
What a racist thing to say! That is pure ignorant. Alabama is a poor state because of the voters. Gov. Riley had a great plan to help Alabama get out of the below standard situation it has always been in and Alabamians voted it down. It's obvious Alabamians like being ranked 50. I guess if the blacks and the poor had voted, you and I both would be paying more taxes. God forbid we pay more!

Southern4sure

Alabama has the most regressive tax system, the poor pay a higher percentage than the rich. Property tax is low, the sales tax in Mobile is 9%. Yes it is a poor state and the education system is very bad. To say that is was set up to keep the poor down is not racist, it is the truth. I was simply making a statement to explain why I think the voting is done the way it is. I voted for Gov. Riley's plan and still have no idea why the "poor" didn't. And anyone who thinks racism is not alive and well in the South has never lived here. I know we have come a long way from the old Jim Crow days, but we still have so far to go. This if so off topic but there are high schools here that have 2 proms, black and white, with their own kings and queens. How are we going to spread freedom to the rest of the world when we don't extend it to all of our citizens?
 
Oh boy another thread created "because they started it". Geez grow up all ready. did you actually read the threads you are complaining about? Or at least the OP on each thread?

“Who is more dangerous Bush or OBL” - started by someone who has only a couple of posts. Democrats posted on it stating that obviously Bin Laden is more dangerous
“W is not my president” - Started by a Bush supporter regarding a protestor's sign.
“President is mentally ill”- started by someone that isn't an American. Both sides shot that idea down.
“Conservatives picking on spongebob” - I'm not sure of the issue with that one. A conservative group IS in fact picking on spongebob. No one is saying all conservatives are doing so.
“should the inauguration be cancelled”- started by someone who was on the fence. Actually a pretty good thread with some insightful comments on both sides.

If you have a problem with the subject in each thread, then post your dissenting opinion on it. But starting threads because someone else did it too is elementary school behavior and we've got plenty of those threads all ready. At some point it's got to be time to move on to something else and I mean this for both sides.
 
Kyle, cut the crap. I would love to see election reform because VOTERS are being affected (both democrats and republicans). For one thing there needs to be some national standard.
 
Miss Jasmine said:
I've seen all those, even posted on the Spongebob one. So because of all those threads you felt the need to start an anti-Kerry, anti-democrat one????? Why not just post on those threads if they bother you so much, rather than starting another hate fest? From your own list above, you can see there are already enough hate fests.

Because I like to see a thread with charlie,nj on the first page all of the time that’s why….ask snoopy she knows.

I didn’t post this piece to show how Kerry is complaining about the elections…etc..

The reason I posted it was because of this:

"Throughout Europe, as I met with European leaders, it's clear that they're prepared to do more, but the [Bush] administration has not put the structure together for people to be able to do it," he said.

Kerry declined to specify which leaders expressed a desire to help more with Iraq, or how.


Kerry has been saying this for the last year or so and is still saying it. Don’t you think he should tell us or at least Bush who these leaders are? Maybe if they get involved we can get out of Iraq sooner. Why is he not saying who they are?

I do see your point Miss J.


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Charlie

Are you diavaowing the baseless charge that only democrats engage in voter fraud? I have so many examples of GOP cheating in the last election that it is not even funny. Senator Kerry is right to complain about the process and the fact that voter suppression techniques are still being used by the GOP.

As to your questions about Europe, it is no secret that Bush blew it in the negotiation with Europe and the UN. Powell put on an ridiculous case for the invasion and for the existence of WMDs that convinced no one who understood the issues. During the election, Germany indicated that if there was a change in policy in Iraq, it may be willing to send troops. In effect, for the US to get Europe and our traditional allies involved, we need to (a) in effect apologize and admit that the US made a mistake in invading Iraq before the inspectors finished, (b) open the contract bidding up to companies other Halliburton or GOP contributors, and (c) convince Europe that we will not be so arrogant in the future. Bush is probably not capable of doing any of the above since he is unable to admit that he makes mistakes.
 
Miss Jasmine said:
I've seen all those, even posted on the Spongebob one. So because of all those threads you felt the need to start an anti-Kerry, anti-democrat one????? Why not just post on those threads if they bother you so much, rather than starting another hate fest? From your own list above, you can see there are already enough hate fests.


I did NOT start my thread as a hate fest. ("W" thread)
 
Crankyshank said:
“W is not my president” - Started by a Bush supporter regarding a protestor's sign.
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My post actually was posted thoughtfully and not intended as a hate fest.

Please do not use other threads to "assume" what I intended by the post. It turned out to be an effective lesson in rhetoric--figurative vs. literal. :earboy2:
 
Lisa, I didn't say you did, all threads like that turn out that way though. :rolleyes: Or at least they get sidetracked into that.
 
I made no comment on your intent. I didn't say you started it as a hate fest. My point was that threads he said were Bush slams based on title weren't and if he read the threads he'd know that
 


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