Just Back from POP...NEVER AGAIN

[clanmcculloch]

It was an observation. And yes, I do expect courtesy. That is how I was raised, and I think THAT is the main difference between myself and a lot of the rude people I encountered. If my brother would have sat on a bus and looked at someone carrying a sleeping child, my mom would have slapped him upside the head, cause it's RUDE. Say what you want, think what you think, but it's rude.
Everyone has a right to their own opinion, and I respect that. But this is the reason I won't ever stay at POP again. If I can pay more money to stay at a Deluxe resort to escape a majority of the rude people, I will gladly do it.

You'll find just as high of a percentage of rude people at any resort. Your quest to avoid rudeness by paying more money will be extremely frustrating because it doesn't work this way.

The problem I'm having with your position is that you're making a LOT of assumptions about people on the bus. How are you able to tell who is able to stand on a moving bus vs those who can't?

You made the decision to get on a bus when you had to hold your child. Own your decision. The people sitting down may well have waited for that bus so that they could sit. People make that choice all the time. I don't understand people who make a choice and then resent others who don't bend over backwards to make things easier for them when they could have made a different choice to make things easier for themselves. Yes, I've waited for another bus to ensure seats for my family because we've needed them. You couldn't tell by looking at us though. You sure would have considered us rude though for not enabling your own decisions. Be appreciative when people DO decide to do something they don't have to such as give up a seat. Don't begrudge those who don't for whatever their own personal reasons may be. It's not rudeness to not offer an explaination for why people aren't doing what you think they should.

 

[CleveRocks]

It was an observation. And yes, I do expect courtesy. That is how I was raised, and I think THAT is the main difference between myself and a lot of the rude people I encountered. If my brother would have sat on a bus and looked at someone carrying a sleeping child, my mom would have slapped him upside the head, cause it's RUDE. Say what you want, think what you think, but it's rude.

I'll tell you about who I am and what I do, and then I'll tell you why I disagree with you.

I'm a married, able-bodied dad in my 40's. When I'm in that situation, I always stand and let others have my seat on a bus if they appear to need it more than I do. That's just the way I am.

I can also tell you that at the end of a long Disney day and my wife and I have been waiting in line for a bus for 45 minutes and we've got 2 sleepy or sleeping little ones and it's finally our turn because the next bus is here ... if when we get to the door of the bus it looks like we won't have seats, we don't get on. We wave people past us and we wait for the next bus.

WHY?

Because I think it is rude for me to expect that someone else should have to get up for me or my wife carrying one of our sleeping children. In other words, if my wife walks onto a standing-room-only bus, she is basically saying, "Rather than inconvenience myself by waiting for the next bus, I am choosing to inconvenience someone else by making them stand."

At Disney World after park closing, boarding a standing-room-only bus is a choice. If you are holding a sleeping child and EXPECT that someone darn well better stand up so you can sit, then you are choosing to inconvenience someone else rather than to inconvenience yourself by waiting to be the first person on the next bus.

The way I was raised, I shouldn't put my needs ahead of someone else's needs. My blood isn't redder than anyone else's.

 

[7165red]

Whoopie Goldberg went on a rant last week about the strollers. Sorry you had a unpleasant trip.We have been renting a villa off site and love it.

 

[CleveRocks]

If I can pay more money to stay at a Deluxe resort to escape a majority of the rude people, I will gladly do it.

Where are you getting your information that guests at Deluxe resorts are less rude than guests at Value resorts?

My wife and I both grew up in urban neighborhoods, our families just barely squeaking by ... always with food on the table and a modest roof over our heads, but only rare experiences such as a vacation.

We worked hard, got educations, continued to work hard, and here we are, living in a suburban beach resort town and able to afford pretty much anything we darn well please, including, most recently at Disney, a week in a theme park view room at Polynesian.

Having lived on both sides of the tracks, and having stayed at all levels of resorts at Disney and around the world, I can say with all confidence that I've never found a difference in fellow guests' civility or rudeness as a function of the cost of the hotel. I've stayed at pricey brands like InterContinental and Four Seasons where we've encountered very rude people, probably wealthy their whole lives and who exude such an over-inflated sense of self-entitlement that they think the world is their servant and that they can make all the noise and mess they want because they feel so self-entitled. And I've stayed at economy brands like Holiday Inn and Red Roof Inn where I've encountered great kindnesses and wonderful people. And, of course, I've encountered pretty much everything in between, too.

So if you're looking to avoid rude people by staying only at Disney Deluxe resorts, I think you're in for a rude awakening.

 

[KSDisneyDad]

I can also tell you that at the end of a long Disney day and my wife and I have been waiting in line for a bus for 45 minutes and we've got 2 sleepy or sleeping little ones and it's finally our turn because the next bus is here ... if when we get to the door of the bus it looks like we won't have seats, we don't get on. We wave people past us and we wait for the next bus.
WHY?

Because I think it is rude for me to expect that someone else should have to get up for me or my wife carrying one of our sleeping children. In other words, if my wife walks onto a standing-room-only bus, she is basically saying, "Rather than inconvenience myself by waiting for the next bus, I am choosing to inconvenience someone else by making them stand."

Interesting point of view. A little self-righteous perhaps, but you do make a good point that brings me to my point.

As your post eloquently points out, someone will always think another person is rude. What if that Mom holding the child is completely willing to stand rather than wait so as to not inconvenience her other kids who have been waiting for 45 minutes? She, or in our case, the father will make a personal sacrifice on behalf of the family as I have no expectation that anyone should give up their seat to me. I've even turned down kind guests who have offered when my kids were younger. Yet, you will sit there and think I'm rude for even getting on the bus in the first place???
Amazing.

Regardless, this is one of the many many reasons we no longer use Disney transportation. Our kids are no longer small enough to be carried, yet no one will ever be able to convince me that Disney buses are more relaxing than having our own car. It's just who we are.

 

[KSDisneyDad]

Where are you getting your information that guests at Deluxe resorts are less rude than guests at Value resorts?

My wife and I both grew up in urban neighborhoods, our families just barely squeaking by ... always with food on the table and a modest roof over our heads, but only rare experiences such as a vacation.

We worked hard, got educations, continued to work hard, and here we are, living in a suburban beach resort town and able to afford pretty much anything we darn well please, including, most recently at Disney, a week in a theme park view room at Polynesian.

Having lived on both sides of the tracks, and having stayed at all levels of resorts at Disney and around the world, I can say with all confidence that I've never found a difference in fellow guests' civility or rudeness as a function of the cost of the hotel. I've stayed at pricey brands like InterContinental and Four Seasons where we've encountered very rude people, probably wealthy their whole lives and who exude such an over-inflated sense of self-entitlement that they think the world is their servant and that they can make all the noise and mess they want because they feel so self-entitled. And I've stayed at economy brands like Holiday Inn and Red Roof Inn where I've encountered great kindnesses and wonderful people. And, of course, I've encountered pretty much everything in between, too.

So if you're looking to avoid rude people by staying only at Disney Deluxe resorts, I think you're in for a rude awakening.

Well said! Didn't really agree with your prior post, but this one I agree with completely!

We have stayed at all levels of Disney resorts. As expected, I've experienced both kind and rude people at each one of them. Because it was my most recent stay, and most fresh in my mind, but the rudest person I've encountered was at the Boardwalk.

 

[A_Princess'_Daddy]

If you are trying to escape rude people, the only way to do that is to stay home. There are just as many rude people at the Deluxe resorts as there are at the Value resorts. And actually the bus situation at the Deluxe resorts is worse! The Deluxe resorts share busses with other Deluxe resorts. The busses are more crowded at the Deluxe resorts, in my experience.

You can't pay more and get away from rude people. It just doesn't work, don't kid yourself.

I complete agree that there are rude people at all levels of resorts, but I suspect that, because there are fewer people overall at the deluxe level resorts than at the larger values and moderates, the pressure cooker feeling is lessened. Looking at it as a mathematical equation, if 10 out of every 100 people is "rude" across the spectrum, and there are 2,000 people staying at BWI/BWV and 10,000 staying at POP, there will be more people overall at POP and therefore more rude people. Furthermore, because they're more closely contained, the 10 out of 100 stand out more obviously. Thinking of it as a chemical equation, at the POP there are 1,000 positively charged particles (rude people) and 9,000 neutrally charged particles (normal people) floating around in space and at BWV there are 200 positively charged particles and 1,800 neutral particles in about the same amount of space. The chances of a collision between two positively charged particles (two rude people) when you have 10,000 particles confined in a small space is, mathematically, greater than when 2,000 are inhabiting the same space.

This is only my speculation, because we've never stayed at a value or at a moderate, not because I think the people are "better behaved", much less "better overall" at the deluxe resorts, but because I don't like a lot of even the most polite people on earth around me.

OK, enough math & science. Off to celebrate Christmas eve!

 

[CleveRocks]

What if that Mom holding the child is completely willing to stand rather than wait so as to not inconvenience her other kids who have been waiting for 45 minutes? She, or in our case, the father will make a personal sacrifice on behalf of the family as I have no expectation that anyone should give up their seat to me. I've even turned down kind guests who have offered when my kids were younger. Yet, you will sit there and think I'm rude for even getting on the bus in the first place???
Amazing.

If you are getting on the bus holding a sleeping child but are not expecting anyone to give up their seat for you, of course I wouldn't stand there and think you're rude. In almost all cases, someone in your situation who feels entitled to a seat will give away that opinion by facial expression ... you know, either "the evil eye" or a more pleasant and plaintive look and head bob, expressing his/her disdain for the others who are not standing to offer a seat or expressing his/her hopefulness that someone will "do the right thing," respectively.

Like I said, in almost all cases, this can be determined by a quick glance at facial expression. Someone with your mindset, you'll just look tired like the rest of us , but you won't be searching others' faces for either blame or assistance.

So no, I wouldn't think you're rude. Amazing, isn't it?

 

[KSDisneyDad]

If you are getting on the bus holding a sleeping child but are not expecting anyone to give up their seat for you, of course I wouldn't stand there and think you're rude. In almost all cases, someone in your situation who feels entitled to a seat will give away that opinion by facial expression ... you know, either "the evil eye" or a more pleasant and plaintive look and head bob, expressing his/her disdain for the others who are not standing to offer a seat or expressing his/her hopefulness that someone will "do the right thing," respectively.

Like I said, in almost all cases, this can be determined by a quick glance at facial expression. Someone with your mindset, you'll just look tired like the rest of us , but you won't be searching others' faces for either blame or assistance.

So no, I wouldn't think you're rude. Amazing, isn't it?

Thanks for the clarification. I incorrectly assumed that since you gave the example of how you would never enter a bus while holding a sleeping child because it would automatically imply that you're expecting a seat, that you also thought the same of others. Your logic seems reasonable after your clarification as we too tend to hold ourselves to higher standards than we do others. I still stand by my comment (no pun intended) that we like to avoid the buses for a variety of reasons, including this one.

 

[CleveRocks]

Thanks for the clarification. I incorrectly assumed that since you gave the example of how you would never enter a bus while holding a sleeping child because it would automatically imply that you're expecting a seat, that you also thought the same of others. Your logic seems reasonable after your clarification as we too tend to hold ourselves to higher standards than we do others. I still stand by my comment (no pun intended) that we like to avoid the buses for a variety of reasons, including this one.

Merry Christmas

 

[colbyky]

I agree - I think the Deluxe resorts typically have individuals who are not quite as rude. The value resorts feature large family groups, people going CHEAP, etc. who are often loud, roudy and rude. I have, as well, stayed at all levels and that is my observation. This is not to offend my POP friends - some of you are very nice----but the majority...just rude.

Deluxe is the way to go! Nuff' said!

 

[Theresa-MI]

I guess that most of our frustration comes from expecting others to behave the way WE would do in certain situations.

Of course we like being treated with courtesy and sympathy by everyone around us, but that would be the "perfect world", and that's simply not reality.

My belief is.. think ahead.... like said before, if you are not willing to stand on a crowded bus, step aside and wait for the next one. If someone accidentally hits you with their stroller... think that you might have hit someone by accident too... My daughter is now 9 years old and it has been a long while since strollers, but I do remember one New Years Eve at the Magic Kingdom where, no matter how polite, it was virtually impossible not to bump into someone by accident... Beating crowds with a stroller is a hard task, believe me!!! People without strollers will push you just as hard...

With 30+ visits to WDW my best advice is... don't sweat the small stuff!

I was one to complain , and boy did I complain, about the Pop Century at the beginning of this thread.... but my complaints were mostly about the hotel itself, not the people in it... ( oh yes, my neighbors were loud, but how much did the walls being so thin contribute to my impression????)


I totally agree with the previous posts... manners are not related to how much money you have in your pockets...

But if you are not willing to be bumped by a stroller, fight crowds over a seat at the food court, wait at bus stops for crowded buses... do yourself a great favor... do not go to WDW, because it is very likely you'll encounter one , or even more of these events...

But if you still think the small inconveniences are all worth while, then smile, get your Mickey ears on, and have a magical time!!!

Merry Christmas everyone!

 

[knewton64]

Wife and I usually stay at CSR but wanted to try others and chose POP...our reservation was for a room in the closest 50's building to lobby and a bottom floor due to hip problem...ended up with 50's building 2 rm 2309...a long walk with bad hip...3rd floor...so much for requests...day 1 wife went to use snack credit did not work...got new keys...then would not work in door..,.went back a 2nd time...told all was ok...my key worked hers did not...another long walk...we had to walk 4 times to lobby...to get keys straightened out...day 2...took shower...tub did not drain...another waqlk but this time we were going to a park...asked to be compensated...got flowers in room...somethying more substantial was expected....1 good thing house keeping was excellent....
on to the food court...hello....anyone ever hear of manners...guests there were the most impolite rude people...kids running...screaming....kids pushing me a 56 yo man out of way to get to soda...got a bacon cheeseburger....tasted like vomit.....only halfway decent food was pizza ...but not that good....and another thing was the piggyness of families....throwing things on floor....saw one family get up and leave and floor looked like it blew up...WE ARE A SPOILED SOCIETY....I could go on and on but will not....all I can say is Never again at POP...now on to MVMCP....again does anyone have manners...strollers must have hit my feet 100 times...note to DISNEY....YOU ARE SELLING WAY TO MANY TICKETS TO THESE EVENTS....
One more general comment...we were in the happiest place on earth and NO ONE WAS HAPPY....just my 2 cents....want to flame me...BRING IT ON!!!!!

Q: have you and your sig other ever been to a RECENT sporting event, outdoor event, festival of some sorts that involves large crowds, etc????

A: If you have, then you would have ALREADY HAVE KNOWN how large crowds can be.



Q: if you were looking for "5 star" rated food eatery, why didn't you book at ADR at a sit down restaurant??.

A: There are a lot to choose from inside the Disney park and resort system.






While respecting your opinion, it sounds like "ME Doeth protest Too Much" via POOR PLANNING..



I have been to WDW twice and DL once and never experienced what you have experienced.




T.T.F.N.

 

[roomthreeseventeen]

Yes a request is just that a request but if you tell them it is a medical request because of mobility issues they will usually move mountains to get you what you need.

I agree - I think the Deluxe resorts typically have individuals who are not quite as rude. The value resorts feature large family groups, people going CHEAP, etc. who are often loud, roudy and rude. I have, as well, stayed at all levels and that is my observation. This is not to offend my POP friends - some of you are very nice----but the majority...just rude.

Deluxe is the way to go! Nuff' said!

I mostly agree with this, but the rudest people we've ever seen at WDW were all staying at the Boardwalk Inn. Rude, drunk teenagers making all kinds of noise at 1am, 2am, etc.

 

[smidgy]

No, I think it's in the food court and lobby at about 5:00 p.m.

nope, they PLAY the song, "the Hustle", but the dance they Do is actually, a line dance, called "The Bus Stop"!

 

[smidgy]

I was in the 50's building, room 3438. It was a hike to my car in the lot, I called to see if I could move to another resort on my first day there but everything was booked up solid. I asked to be moved to the 90's building for closer proximity to parking (I had a rental) Jay

a little of topic, but, in reference to the new, NO REQUESTS, reservation system. this is a great example why requests made previous to cheeck-in are helpful..

this poster actually LIKES to be close totheir car, and the parking lot. afte driving from the Chicago area, we despise a parking lot view. the LAST thing we want to look at are cars! see, 2 dif. people, 2 very dif. preferences.

with the new system, she could get the room that WE want, and WE could get the room that THEY want!

oh yeah! we WANT to be near a DSA, they want to be FAR from a DSA! (with the new system, we will get the rooms the other wants!)

 

[smidgy]

I am a huge Disney fan, and to me it sounds like you are blaming Disney for the rude manners of others. Yes, your tickets and room request were their fault. However, rude people with strollers can't be controlled. Also, people do need to clean up after themselves. My DH does more cleaning on vacation than he does at home! You are correct, these people are very rude.

I hope you chose to return to the resort again sometime, and have a much better vacation experience.

aarrghh! this is the mentality that caused the "new and improved" system of no room requests!!!

IT is REQUEST! NOT a guarantee!!! and, believe, me, when we don't get our "requests",. we nicely ask for another room. and then we ask again.. usually they can accomadate us, but.. sometimes they just can't.

unless it is a medical issue, you request, and hope for the best. at the counter, you ask again, and assd for a mangaer, and sometimes still don't get it. they did their best.
doesn't matter anymore....sigh

 

[smidgy]

Rudeness may be found at all resorts, but I GUARANTEEEEEE you that the level found at POP is on an extremely higher plane than you will find at the Yacht Club.

talk about classism! we stayed at Yacht and beach Club in July, and encountered far more rudeness than our stay at pop a few weeks ago. A lot more of "entitlement" rudeness.

but, then, we encountered far more rudeness at ALl star Movies than at Wilderness Lodge.

makes me believe it is just a matter of chance.

We enjoy all levels of resorts. depends on the money we want to spend that trip, how much time we will be spending at the resorts, etc etc.

Food courts are going to be hustle and bustle.. no getting around that. you get what you pay for. (although we got a WONDERFUL burger and fries and Hurrican Hannahs at BEach club in July, cheaper than the burger at the pop food court a few weeks ago)

but, then again, at pop, I got a GREAT order of Shrimp Lo Mein, very reasonable. can't get THAT at Beachclub.

pros and cons. makes you head spin when you decide which resort to stay in.

I WILL sya, at pop, we were there 11 days, and the ice machind on the first floor of our building was out of order the whole time. I called 4 times.

but they sure wanted to keep the pool deck clean!! every morning!!! (even though it was freezing! and no one was using the pool at all, those guys were out there powerwashing the pool decks with those LOUD machines! (boy, were those decks clean!)

just boils down to: the more people at a resort, the more inconveniences. but the higher a level of resort, sometimes there are LESS conveniences (like a reasonably priced food court). sorry, Beach Club Market place had little to offer us. (we're not "big" on the ever popular "wraps:.. blaaahhh!). but, then again, at beachclub, we had a studio, and were able to cook in the room. so, again, it's a toss up. pick and choose.

 

[disfan07]

We just got back from POP dec 15-21st for our first stay there.

While we did enjoy it, we actually like All Star Sports better if we stay at a value again.

Now, there was nothing about POP that we really disliked, we just liked Sports as well and i think my mom liked it because it is smaller.

Now, I will sing high praise for POP and teh CMs there though.

We had 2 rooms (5 adults) and we got connecting rooms in building 2 in the 50s section. Never felt like a long walk even when it WAS raining and very very cold at night.

The bathroom light in my brothers room wasnt working properly and they went to the front desk the first night and someone came and fixed it the next morning while we were gone.

The refurbed rooms are very nice. The flat screen TV is great and the privacy curtain is awesome as well.

The CMs were all very nice and check in was quick and efficient (we did not do online check in)

The food court was nice but seemed small compared to the Sports resort.

The pools looked nice but never made it into them (too cold)

The bus service was great and efficient. We never waited more than 20 mins. (we JUST missed a bus one afternoon and waited maybe 15-20mins for another bus)

The worst thing that we did encounter while at POP was the foreign tour groups of kids (like middle school/high school aged). They were rude, inconsiderate and relaly had no manners Luckily, we only encountered them twice during our stay but the second time we encountered them we were on the bus and one of them was swinging on the bar on the bus and i was fed up with it and just looked at them and said "what is wrong with you?" I think the adults FINALLY got it that the behavior was not acceptable.

Overall we had a great vacation. Nothing that would keep us from staying there again but of course that all depends on what we are in the mood for on our next vacation.

 

[smidgy]

Worst of all were the guests walking around the resort with beer bottles in their hands. I'm an adult so no big deal but there are children all over that place and the should not be subjected to a bunch of intoxicated people walking around with open containers of alcohol everywhere they turned.

J

just because someone is drinking beer does not mean they are intoxicated. alcohol is legal. it is sold at the resort, both in the food court AND at the bar. you are allowed to bring your own alcohol into your room and drink it. and allowed to carry it around, (just no glass by the pool).

when I am on vacation, hubby and I will choose to enjoy adult beverages.. we have had all 3 all stars, pop. POR , POFQ, CSR, CBR, WL, AKL, BWV, and BCV, Dolphin.

we will not drive while drinking. we use disney transportation.. you are allowed to purchase adult beverages at 3 of the 4 theme parks, and walk around WITH Them.

I'm sorry if you do not approve of alcohol. that is your choice. but you cannot force your opinion on others on their vacation. I drank in front of my children, I now drink in front of my grandchildren. my adult children drink in front of my grandchildren.

there are legalities concerning "drunk and disorderly" I know them well . As a bartender and a server, I have taken quite a few classes concerning over serving, and dealing with intoxicated patrons.

having a few adult beverages while on vacation, in the resort , is LEGAL, and you and your children will encounter adults enjoying their vacation with said beverages.

Hurrican Hannahs, the pool bar at the Yacht and BeachClub (one of the pricier resorts) serves a GREAT Mai tai!! (for patrons to walk around with) they also serve beer.