Just Back from POP...NEVER AGAIN

[clanmcculloch]

I guess I live a slower, gentler life than Maxiesmom. We hold doors for people, or try to help wherever we see a need. We greet people on the street we don't know, and find it pleasant when such curtasies are returned. We are not offended when they are not, but usually they are. Everyone likes respect, and people usually respond to how they are treated. That's not to say Maxiesmom is wrong. She probably lives in a differrent part of the world than I do, with a different culture. And that's ok. I won't try to force my lifestyle on her or anyone else. However, if we all were to smile and nod at strangers, or be pleasant to people serving us, if we were to reach out and help when we saw someone struggling it would make their day easier, and put a little joy in ours.

I think you're missing the core gist of what maxiesmom is saying. She's not saying that she doesn't think people should do these things. She's saying she doesn't go around making choices that depend upon others doing these things. She takes personal responsibility for her actions. When somebody DOES extend these courtesies it is well received and wonderful and I'm sure she extends these courtesies as well, but it won't ruin her day when it doesn't because she's already prepared to take care of her own needs.

To me, it's all about personal responsibility. A couple trips ago my DH couldn't balance himself on a moving bus because he had a large hernia that hurt when he moved side to side (his surgery was scheduled for a month after our trip). We chose to NOT GET ON if he would have to stand because it was OUR responsibility. Of course when we were sitting there was no way he could stand up for others. He sure looks like a healthy, strong man who I'm sure in your mind should have given up his seat but one wrong turn by the bus could have sent him to the hospital if he was standing so no way would I have allowed him to give up his seat. We had waited for those seats because he needed to sit. It is the responsibility of the person with the need to ensure that his/her need is met by taking action. Again, personal responsibility.

I happen to agree with Maxiesmom that it's rude to expect special treatment by others. I also hold doors and give up my seat at times and smile and chat with people. The thing is, I don't depend on it.

 

[pampam]

Sorry if I offended you. I didn't see where you live. But that doesn't really matter. And I don't believe I said West Michigan was a rude crazy place. You are right when you say you can't demand people to be courteous. True courtesy is never fake. It comes from a respect for others. If we don't have that then it will never be sincere. If I give up my seat for another it's my choice and my gift If I hold a door for another, again it is my choice and a gift of courtesy to someone. I too, don't demand courtesy, but I am never offended if I don't recieve it. I think you and I agree on most points. It is not my intention to hijack this thread so,

Hey, I like Pop. I'll be there in 3 weeks for another 3 weeks. Maybe when I get home, I will have changed my opinion.

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[princesspeach]

I don't think the poster got on a bus expecting a seat to be given up for her, holding a sleeping child. It's just common curtesy to do so. Not talking of people who have mobility issues and can't stand. It's the people who are perfectly able to, and don't.
I don't think it's rude to expect curtesy to be offered.

My dh will always stand and let a women sit down. I will always stand and let a older person or someone with a small child sit down.I will stand for anybody I think looks like they need to sit down more than me. You can usually tell. I am thankful I am healthy and in good shape so I feel its my responsibily and its just plain curteous. I hope I never get to a point where I can't stand for 15 minutes on a bus.

 

[Nik's Mom]

Point is can and does happen everywhere and it does affect your stay. We stayed at POP last January and everything was fine. Sometimes just luck of the draw. Just like room assignments....luck of the draw.

This is so true! That is why I don't let one person's opinion on a particular hotel cause me to switch reservations. It has to be a pattern, or from my own experience. And even then, it could be that a person stayed at a hotel at the wrong time.

 

[Hoosier37]

When at POP three months from today woohoo,I intend to do what I always do when we see rude people...make them an object lesson in politeness for my children, just loud enough for the rude people to hear. It doesn't always change the rude behavior, but it teaches my kids and makes me feel better. And sometimes it does have a good effect:

For example, at a Cub Scout awards ceremony, a little boy was being horrible. Loud, obnoxious, rude. Several people asked his grandmother (who had brought him) to ask him to be quiet, to which she replied "He doesn't have to. He can do what he wants." Anyone addressing the child about his behavior got yelled at by the grandmother.

I said nothing at all, although I sat right across from this rude woman. After the ceremony my son came up to give me his patches, and I said to him "I am so proud of you. You sat quietly and listened. You really acted the way a Cub Scout should act."

The grandmother said nothing, but I could see her looking at me out of the corner of my eye. Then she grabbed her little terror of a grandson and yelled at him for not acting the way a Cub Scout should act . But if she had said nothing, I still had my say.

 

[angierae]

Am I the only one who gets kinda creeped out at all of these "People at the Value resorts are so RUDE threads because it totally feels like a class thing for me. "I don't want to stay over there with POOR people, they are RUDE. People with enough money to stay Moderate or Deluxe have better manners!"

I'm not saying anyone has specifically said this, but it's always the vibe I get and it bothers me.

 

[Chuck S]

Am I the only one who gets kinda creeped out at all of these "People at the Value resorts are so RUDE threads because it totally feels like a class thing for me. "I don't want to stay over there with POOR people, they are RUDE. People with enough money to stay Moderate or Deluxe have better manners!"

I'm not saying anyone has specifically said this, but it's always the vibe I get and it bothers me.

Classiness is something that comes from within, many people who only have the financial means to stay at a value resort have far more true class than the rich and powerful...Paris Hilton comes to mind. Honestly, I've seen some pretty "classless" people at the Deluxe resorts, too.

 

[Sue M]

We differ on that. I think it IS rude to go about expecting people to be courteous to you, AND getting upset when they are not. I don't go to the mall, buy a bunch of stuff, and then get mad at people if they don't hold the door for me. It was my decision to buy so much stuff.

Same thing applies on the busses. If my decision is to get on a full bus knowing I (or another member of my party) can't stand, then shame on me for getting mad if someone doesn't hop out of their seat because I made a bad choice. Why should other people be EXPECTED to accomodate me and my bad decisions? No one is forced to use the Disney busses. If you don't feel safe standing on them, then don't.

Be thankful when someone is courteous to you. Not expecting of it and then angry when courtesy is not offered.

I didn't get the impression that the poster was upset that common curtesy wasn't offered to her, just maybe dissapointed. Guess it's hard to read what people think when it's in an e mail or post, and is open to interpretation.
But we can agree to disagree

 

[Sue M]

Classiness is something that comes from within, many people who only have the financial means to stay at a value resort have far more true class than the rich and powerful...Paris Hilton comes to mind. Honestly, I've seen some pretty "classless" people at the Deluxe resorts, too.

I agree!

 

[bookgirl]

Classiness is something that comes from within, many people who only have the financial means to stay at a value resort have far more true class than the rich and powerful...Paris Hilton comes to mind. Honestly, I've seen some pretty "classless" people at the Deluxe resorts, too.

Okay some of the rudest people I have ever met are people with a lot more money then me, and frankly some of their kids are the worst behaved (my brother has money, my nephews go to the most expensive prep school in the city, they play competition sports I see a lot of these people every week, I socialize with them as well).

And to generalize the other end of the spectrum I shop at Walmart I cruised with Carnival, I taught in very poor areas of the city, half my realitives are to put it nicely...rural and uneducated, and a lot of the stereotypes are really really true and sometimes having no money can limit your life experience and your behavior can be trashy and low class.

However none of those things have anything to do with what hotels they stay at. I've never taken a poll to see what hotel they'd stay at when visiting Disney.

 

[verticalchaos]

The whole bus discussion makes me laugh thinking about these "courtesy is contagious" ads they have on the MTA subways and buses here in NYC.

One of them encourages people to give up their seat for "the elderly, pregnant or disabled" - all well and good, right?

The picture that accompanies it shows and elderly man standing to give his seat to a pregnant woman.

Um...not exactly the message I think they wanted to send.

 

[homeschoolmomof4]

My dh will always stand and let a women sit down. I will always stand and let a older person or someone with a small child sit down.I will stand for anybody I think looks like they need to sit down more than me. You can usually tell. I am thankful I am healthy and in good shape so I feel its my responsibily and its just plain curteous. I hope I never get to a point where I can't stand for 15 minutes on a bus.

Agreed! My mother re-injured her knee while we were in WDW and one day needed to put her leg up on the seat in front of her on a bus because the swelling wasn't allowing the knee to bend. You wouldn't believe the looks she got! It was clear she was injured and it was also clear that no one around her gave a darn because she got some nasty looks. No one was even standing!!! Everytime I see a scooter or a wheelchair enter a bus or I see someone who has mobility issues I thank God that I have the ability to stand and get around the parks with relative ease.

Classiness is something that comes from within, many people who only have the financial means to stay at a value resort have far more true class than the rich and powerful...Paris Hilton comes to mind. Honestly, I've seen some pretty "classless" people at the Deluxe resorts, too.

Amen. My little crew stayed at Pop. Both my younger boys were raised to be gentlemen and gave up their seats almost daily to anyone who needed a seat as did I(and I'm a very tiny mommy!). My little guys held doors for people coming in and out of the food court. Money does not equal class. We may not have a lot of money, but do have manners. I was pretty darned proud of my kids' behaviour.

 

[luvthemouse71]

True...and I saw many strollers just being used to haul stuff around..Its disney not an expedition on everest

The problem is the size of the stupid things- apparently, it's a status symbol among the Mommy crowd to have an obnoxiously huge stroller. Whatever happened to the smaller umbrella type strollers?

 

[ducklovr]

The problem is the size of the stupid things- apparently, it's a status symbol among the Mommy crowd to have an obnoxiously huge stroller. Whatever happened to the smaller umbrella type strollers?

Status symbol??? Hmmm, not really. You have a lot of crap to haul around when you have a small child. Diapers, change of clothes, bottles, food...etc. Umbrella strollers are not big enough to carry all of that. Thankfully, I have a potty trained toddler and my load will fit in an umbrella stroller.

 

[verticalchaos]

Status symbol??? Hmmm, not really. You have a lot of crap to haul around when you have a small child. Diapers, change of clothes, bottles, food...etc. Umbrella strollers are not big enough to carry all of that. Thankfully, I have a potty trained toddler and my load will fit in an umbrella stroller.

People managed with bags, etc. for years before the age of the SUV stroller. Just sayin...

 

[Nik's Mom]

The problem is the size of the stupid things- apparently, it's a status symbol among the Mommy crowd to have an obnoxiously huge stroller. Whatever happened to the smaller umbrella type strollers?

I didn't realize that was the new fad now. Boy, things have changed since my kids were babies. My youngest was born in 2002 and strollers were pretty compact. We had a pretty expensive stroller and it was compact and light as a feather. And it had a big storage basket underneath.

 

[mountain man]

In general the more places you have to put crap, the more crap you end up with.

 

[bbak30]

I didn't get the impression that the poster was upset that common curtesy wasn't offered to her, just maybe dissapointed. Guess it's hard to read what people think when it's in an e mail or post, and is open to interpretation.
But we can agree to disagree

It was an observation. And yes, I do expect courtesy. That is how I was raised, and I think THAT is the main difference between myself and a lot of the rude people I encountered. If my brother would have sat on a bus and looked at someone carrying a sleeping child, my mom would have slapped him upside the head, cause it's RUDE. Say what you want, think what you think, but it's rude.
Everyone has a right to their own opinion, and I respect that. But this is the reason I won't ever stay at POP again. If I can pay more money to stay at a Deluxe resort to escape a majority of the rude people, I will gladly do it.

 

[n2mm]

Classiness is something that comes from within, many people who only have the financial means to stay at a value resort have far more true class than the rich and powerful...Paris Hilton comes to mind. Honestly, I've seen some pretty "classless" people at the Deluxe resorts, too.

Thanks, I was just getting ready to post the same thing. I've stay at all levels and actually find that there are rude folks at every level of resort. I just don't waste time dwelling on this stuff.

OP -- just curious, did you pay for a preferred location? With the limited mobility issues, I was hoping you had. We stay at Pop several times a year and even though we are DVC members, we sometimes extend those stays. I just don't find any location at Pop to be too far of a walk. But we are young and full of energy -- DH is 60 and I'm right behind him.

 

[maxiesmom]

Everyone has a right to their own opinion, and I respect that. But this is the reason I won't ever stay at POP again. If I can pay more money to stay at a Deluxe resort to escape a majority of the rude people, I will gladly do it.

If you are trying to escape rude people, the only way to do that is to stay home. There are just as many rude people at the Deluxe resorts as there are at the Value resorts. And actually the bus situation at the Deluxe resorts is worse! The Deluxe resorts share busses with other Deluxe resorts. The busses are more crowded at the Deluxe resorts, in my experience.

You can't pay more and get away from rude people. It just doesn't work, don't kid yourself.