JonBenet Ramsey - a question for those who follow this story

[asta]

I have come up with a big problem with the CBS theory. They said that Burke got mad at JonBenet for stealing a bite of pineapple from his bowl and accidentally struck her hard enough with the flashlight to kill her. If that was the case then the pineapple would not have had time to move into her small intestine where it was found.

 

[sunshinehighway]

Not that I would want to wear something with dead lice on it , but no louse is going to survive a trip from overseas. They only survive 2-3 days when off a person.

Yeah I was thinking the same thing. They don't live long enough without a host.
I think dead lice would fall off the clothes so you wouldn't be walking around with clothes full of dead lice.

 

[RitaE]

I have come up with a big problem with the CBS theory. They said that Burke got mad at JonBenet for stealing a bite of pineapple from his bowl and accidentally struck her hard enough with the flashlight to kill her. If that was the case then the pineapple would not have had time to move into her small intestine where it was found.

I think they are relying on the estimate that actual death likely occurred 1 to 2 hours after the head blow from strangulation, although she was likely unconscious for that entire time. I have no idea on how that might alter digestion.

 

[cabanafrau]

It followed a clip of Patsy talking about angels people leave at JonBenets grave. She thought it was beautiful. Cut to John saying the real story is not a murdered child etc. then dr Phil asks if he will speak again about this. John says no, never. There is no point.

It WAS random, just stuck in there and came across as obscenely callous and narcissistic. It that how it was or did someone at dr Phil edit it that way? That would be odd since this was a pro Ramsey show. But John said it just like that in no other context. "The real story here is what was done to us by an injust system." This is what John said about the unsolved case of his dead daughter.

Did no one else see this!?

It "followed a clip of Patsy", who has been dead for quite some time, and "was random and just stuck in there" -- yet you're confident enough of the editing job to make such a hardline judgment what the context was and what someone really meant? I'm willing to give a little more leeway.

 

[msjprincess]

I think they are relying on the estimate that actual death likely occurred 1 to 2 hours after the head blow from strangulation, although she was likely unconscious for that entire time. I have no idea on how that might alter digestion.

Wait. Their theory is that they left her unconscious for 1-2 hours before deciding strangle her? That's even crazier.

 

[cabanafrau]

I don't; it's just not something I've ever really thought about. Not that the fact that I wore brand new, unwashed underwear yesterday matters to this discussion, but it does go to show that something that is odd for one person is totally normal for another so we absolutely cannot convict someone based on whether they wash their clothes before wearing, put on yesterday's outfit the next day or eat pineapple!

I never said it was odd, merely asked about what someone else did. I sure as heck am not someone trying to link pre-washing/not pre-washing, wearing yesterday's outfit or eating pineapple to whether or not someone committed murder.

How in the heck did asking the question even correlate to the value judgment you seem to be inferring?

 

[Hikergirl]

I have come up with a big problem with the CBS theory. They said that Burke got mad at JonBenet for stealing a bite of pineapple from his bowl and accidentally struck her hard enough with the flashlight to kill her. If that was the case then the pineapple would not have had time to move into her small intestine where it was found.

But that does't fit in to that theory so those who came up with it will just ignore that

 

[Hikergirl]

I didn't watch the CBS special, could someone tell me if they stated that Jonbenet's DNA or hair was found on the flashlight?

 

[msjprincess]

I didn't watch the CBS special, could someone tell me if they stated that Jonbenet's DNA or hair was found on the flashlight?

No there was no DNA, blood or hair found on the flashlight.

 

[cabanafrau]

which is fine for YOU---but I really do not think I am all that weird or all that negligent for not prewashing new clothing (or sheets or towels, etc) before use for myself or my kids. Even with one kid who breaks out in a rash if scented lotion is put on them and another who breaks out in a rash from sprayable sunscreens, no one has broken out from wearing new, unwashed clothes. I doubt the chemicals in them are so very terrible---probably sort of like not putting a child's name on thier backpacks beucase a a stranger might approach them by name and the child might go with them--theoritically a risk, but not really something that happens often enough to be statistically relevant in reality.

And. more to the point---if the point of prewashing clothing is to get chemicals out---is it all that unusual that a mother who regularly exposes her 6 year old to chemicals in hair dyes, teeth bleaching, etc would not be concerned about some tiny amount of chemical residue that might be left on packaged items from a store? I just can't see how the clothes not being prewashed is any more odd than the mom putting back on her outfit from the night before.

???? Again, it was simply a question, no value judgment, no indications it pointed to a killer -- nothing except wondering what someone else did and thought about the pre-washing of clothes in and of itself.

No idea this was such a sensitive topic to ask someone. I pre-rinse some, but not everything that goes into the dishwasher. It's neither a stealthy brag or a confession, it's just how I do it. I cannot stand opening up a stinky dishwasher. Mystery of that thinking process solved.

 

[Hikergirl]

No there was no DNA, blood or hair found on the flashlight.

Well I guess if you believe that DNA found in her underpants and on her leggings came from a stranger in the manufacturing plant you are likely to believe that its entirely reasonable that the murder weapon had zero traces of the victims DNA.

 

[cabanafrau]

I don't pre-wash anything either. Fifty plus years and I still haven't gotten cooties.

I'm happy for you?

I'll go sit in the corner with my duncecap in shame for pre-washing some things. Maybe I'll take two caps for occasionally pre-washing some items before putting them in the dishwasher.

I never said a thing about cooties, or implied anything about germs. Not sure how all of that got twisted hours later, but continue.

 

[msjprincess]

I'm happy for you?

I'll go sit in the corner with my duncecap in shame for pre-washing some things. Maybe I'll take two caps for occasionally pre-washing some items before putting them in the dishwasher.

I never said a thing about cooties, or implied anything about germs. Not sure how all of that got twisted hours later, but continue.

I didn't quote you. Not sure why you're taking it so personally. Some people said why they did and I stated I didn't. I think you're making this into a bigger deal than it is.

 

[RitaE]

Wait. Their theory is that they left her unconscious for 1-2 hours before deciding strangle her? That's even crazier.

Patsy was busy, composing the ransom note. LOL

I have no idea. I suspect that investigators real theory is the Early Childhood Sexual or other Psychological thing that the Investigator has in his book and for some reason the CBS show wanted to back away from that. I suspect it would likely fit much better with the reports of scatological behavior from Burke Ramsey but otherwise there simply isn't evidence we know about. So instead they tried to slap together some rumblings of sibling rivalry/fighting over stupid pineapple like brothers and sisters do and presented it as their reasoning instead. Maybe they thought brothers and sisters fighting for no real reason would be more accepted by the viewership than a rare psychological condition in a child.

I never pre-wash anything either. Being lazy is more important to me than fighting cooties.

 

[Hikergirl]

I'm happy for you?

I'll go sit in the corner with my duncecap in shame for pre-washing some things. Maybe I'll take two caps for occasionally pre-washing some items before putting them in the dishwasher.

I never said a thing about cooties, or implied anything about germs. Not sure how all of that got twisted hours later, but continue.

I think that response was to the poster who mentioned lice.

 

[NHdisneylover]

???? Again, it was simply a question, no value judgment, no indications it pointed to a killer -- nothing except wondering what someone else did and thought about the pre-washing of clothes in and of itself.

No idea this was such a sensitive topic to ask someone. I pre-rinse some, but not everything that goes into the dishwasher. It's neither a stealthy brag or a confession, it's just how I do it. I cannot stand opening up a stinky dishwasher. Mystery of that thinking process solved.

Sorry I misunderstood---the first time you followed up with a question I thought you were just surprised and wondering how othes did things, but the continued follow-ups made it sound like you were incredulous either about how truthful I was about not pre washing, or critical in some way.
Again--nothing at all wrong with you prewashing, and nothing at all wrong with me not. I guess i am just lazier than you lol

 

[Hikergirl]

I never pre-wash anything either. Being lazy is more important to me than fighting cooties.

I don't know if there is still a tag fairy but if so I hope they are reading this!

 

[asta]

Patsy was busy, composing the ransom note. LOL

I have no idea. I suspect that investigators real theory is the Early Childhood Sexual or other Psychological thing that the Investigator has in his book and for some reason the CBS show wanted to back away from that. I suspect it would likely fit much better with the reports of scatological behavior from Burke Ramsey but otherwise there simply isn't evidence we know about. So instead they tried to slap together some rumblings of sibling rivalry/fighting over stupid pineapple like brothers and sisters do and presented it as their reasoning instead. Maybe they thought brothers and sisters fighting for no real reason would be more accepted by the viewership than a rare psychological condition in a child.

I never pre-wash anything either. Being lazy is more important to me than fighting cooties.

I have an even harder time believing that theory. I can't believe a 9 year old would have tied those knots in the garrote or would have known how to use it in a tightening/loosening way in a sex torture of his sister.

 

[RitaE]

I have an even harder time believing that theory. I can't believe a 9 year old would have tied those knots in the garrote or would have known how to use it in a tightening/loosening way in a sex torture of his sister.

I know. But if you are going to discount the Intruder Theory that leaves you with 3 possible suspects.

John didn't write the ransom note.
Patsy is a highly probable candidate for writing the ransom note.
Burke didn't write the ransom note.

So that leaves you with Patsy as the killer, or one of the other two as the killer and Patsy and probably John helping with the cover-up. The theories about Patsy have been picked over to the nth degree and don't make for shocking tv revelations. There is absolutely nothing about that they revealed in the CBS show that would explain why they would think it more likely Burke would lose control of himself and injure JonBenet than Patsy losing control or even John Ramsey losing control --- other than the general agreement that after many, many years of investigation they never uncovered much of anything of people who knew the family thinking Patsy would be likely to lose her temper and have a sudden violent outburst. And hey, siblings fight all the time, right? By all reports, she was a very dedicated and loving parent, John too - although he was much less involved in the kid's day to day lives given his work obligations. But brothers and sisters fight.

So two decades of investigation and millions of dollars spent trying to figure this out ....that about sums it up.

 

[kimj88]

I have an even harder time believing that theory. I can't believe a 9 year old would have tied those knots in the garrote or would have known how to use it in a tightening/loosening way in a sex torture of his sister.

The CBS show did show how it was now clear to two of the experts on the show that there was no sexual type of assault at all, no evidence of it. So while odd and unlikely, I could believe the her taking a piece of the pineapple out of his bowl as a 'last straw' to put him over the edge (assuming he already had something wrong with him psychologically). They also demonstrated on the CBS show how it would take not much force at all with that flashlight to kill her so perhaps a 9 year old could do so. Not saying I fully believe it was him, and it still doesn't make sense with the garrott, but I haven't ruled it out in my mind. Burke doing it and Patsy covering for him. Even that Burke hit her and killed her but did not mean to kill her.