Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 8

[mousey]

The ratings for DWTS has been up all season. They did not go down when Kate was voted off, in fact they actually improved. If people wanted her so bad she would still be dancing as painful as it was to watch. Even Bruno said in an interview that people love train wrecks and disasters and Kate was both!
I'm sure if Kate plus 8 or twisted Kate doesn't go as planned, they will pull the plug. Where can TLC find a family with 8 kids that basically work for free trips and to keep their Mommy in the tabloids??

 

[DMRick]

Where are you reading this? I've read all over the net that they were the highest ever, and then dropped once Kate left. At one time, someone posted the ratings, and it sure did look like they steadily went down.
I didn't say people wanted her dancing, but they watched the show because she was on..if they liked her or not. I agree they might have watched because she was a train wreck, but again, it doesn't matter if they like her or not. If they watch her, the sponsors are happy. Last week, one of the boards said they were glad she was coming back for the last dance, so as to pull up the ratings again. This is the first note I have read that they went up after she left. Maybe someone can post the site where you can see the ratings.

I don't understand..do you think they are working just for free trips and not pay? All of these families are working for the $$$. Putting their kids out there for money. I do agree that if Kate + 8 doesn't go as planned, they will pull the plug. The ratings on Kate and Jon were already on the way down, before all the hoopla begin, but now there is so much attention on them, they might get another season out of it. I would be suprised if the Twist show makes it.

The ratings for DWTS has been up all season. They did not go down when Kate was voted off, in fact they actually improved. If people wanted her so bad she would still be dancing as painful as it was to watch. Even Bruno said in an interview that people love train wrecks and disasters and Kate was both!
I'm sure if Kate plus 8 or twisted Kate doesn't go as planned, they will pull the plug. Where can TLC find a family with 8 kids that basically work for free trips and to keep their Mommy in the tabloids??

 

[walden]

Thank you Doris for answering my question. [snip]

I have to disagree (are you surprised) that if we express our opinion that the Gosselin kids should be off reality tv then we're perpetuating the show. I don't believe for a moment that we're the reason the show is so successful. Some of us here refuse to even watch it. Just because there is discussion doesn't mean it's the reason for the shows success. I don't buy the tabloid magazines and am not planning to watch. How am I contributing to Kate's success then? All I'm doing is discussing it here with all of you fine ladies.

Exactly. I hardly think that following the story, discussing and posting about it is perpetuating the filming of the kids. The fans that watch the new Kate + 8 show, buy the tabloids, merchandise, DVDs and books featuring the kids will do that. A few clicks here and there by me are not going to make much difference. Incidentally, I only post here, and only every few days do I have a burst of Gosselin/Reality TV kids activity. I guess some sites have people posting pro or con around the clock, multiple times a day. Who has the time?

As to the filming of the kids -- that horse left the stable long ago with TLC and J & Kate holding the reins. I can't control whether or not parents chose to make their children work on or off TV. Child labor is legal, within limits, even though I personally disapprove of it. I can, however, talk about filming that is IMO skirting or breaking existing child labors laws, and support the strengthening of those laws. I believe that the Gosselin situation is merely the tip of the iceberg, and other children may need protecting from big business and naive, if not greedy, irresponsible parents too. Balloon Boy comes to mind.

I also want to reiterate: I'm actually all for Kate succeeding in her chosen TV career independently. It is her choice to pursue a career that apparently requires her to leave her children with nannies, but she is not the only person to do so. Success on her own might make them rethink the excessive, again IMO, filming of the children. I saw no reason to boycott DWTS while she was/is on because it is a show I have watched on and off for several years. I'm glad I watched because Kate trying to dance was comedy gold. Similarly, if I watched ET, the View, or wherever other show she pops up on next, regularly I would not change the channel just because Kate were on.

However, I will not be watching Kate + 8 because I think the kids are working too hard, although at least they now have work permits and there is some oversight, and I will not be watching Twist of Kate, because I'm not sure this particular woman has much to offer, or to teach me.

I agree that it won't happen any time soon, but it could. Jon & Kate could put a stop to it, they could have put a stop to it a long time ago.

But for Kate to put a stop to it, then that would mean (IMO) that she is willing to give up her (tabloid cover) celebrity status. As we've seen over the last several months, with the exception of the ratings on DWTS, everything that Kate has tried without the children, hasn't been very successful. I predict Kate + 8 will have higher ratings than the other show she's starring in for TLC.

I haven't been keeping up with the ratings for her other enterprises, but on DWTS, Pamela Anderson and Kate G were supposed to the big draws for the show. The ratings went down +/-11% when Kate was sent home, apparently less than anticipated. The ratings dropped steeply again when Pamela left and have dropped since with every departure. This is consistent with all previous seasons, IIRC, and the ratings will rise again for the finals. That is because fans of all the contestants, not just Kate's, will tune in again. I hope this is the right link: http://***************************/article/2987868/dancing_with_the_stars_may_11_episode.html?cat=2

I think she can keep up her tabloid image quite nicely without the kids now. DWTS got her a lot of publicity, if not a lot more fans. Kate seen "dating," Kate on the Bachelorette, Kate's new hairdo, Kate has meltdown in location of your choice. . . The sky is the limit for Kate!

 

[walden]

The ratings for DWTS has been up all season. They did not go down when Kate was voted off, in fact they actually improved. If people wanted her so bad she would still be dancing as painful as it was to watch. Even Bruno said in an interview that people love train wrecks and disasters and Kate was both!
I'm sure if Kate plus 8 or twisted Kate doesn't go as planned, they will pull the plug. Where can TLC find a family with 8 kids that basically work for free trips and to keep their Mommy in the tabloids??

One thing is clear, at least to me. If Jon and Kate are being truthful about the amounts they received from TLC/Discovery per episode, the family was almost certainly under-compensated, although the free stuff probably tempted them a lot. Other families - like the Duggars - should be upping their salary requests after seeing what happened to the Gs. I have always thought that the Duggars are a lot more savvy than J & K were at the beginning regarding what was filmed, but I dislike what they are doing with their children just as much.

On the DWTS ratings, my link scrambled. It was an Associated Content report, but there are several more links if you Google DWTS TV Ratings. Reports of ratings drops after Kate left vary from 7% to 11%. Trying again: http://***************************/article/2987868/dancing_with_the_stars_may_11_episode.html?cat=2

You may be misinterpreting the reports that the ratings did not drop dramatically, Mousey. It is quite possible that a large number of people stopped watching after Kate left and some "boycotters" tuned in after she was gone. I usually don't watch DWTS myself for the first few weeks, until the awful dancers are gone, but i couldn't resist the temptation of watching after reports of Kate's dancing in the first episode reached here. As we are not a Neilsen household I don't think I caused the ratings to rise at the beginning!

 

[DMRick]

Wow, we actually agree on about 95% of what you wrote. There goes our reputations LOL. I do disagree that those who watch the show are the only ones (or evne most of those) who buy the tabloids or the moves, etc, since I have never bought either, and I have read on other sites that people don't watch the show, but do keep up via the tabloids, online sites, etc. I do have time to post, since I work on my computer and need to babysit my printer often, and I consider it fun, not a waste of time for me. I do read other boards when directed to them, but only post here and on a private board...and not much there, since it's a positive board, and posting is seldom needed imo.

I was surprised to read recently that you don't need to be a Neilsen household to make a difference anymore. Tivoing also give them results.

As we are not a Neilsen household I don't think I caused the ratings to rise at the beginning!

 

[Promomx2]

Okay sorry I don't know how to cut and past the link, but I just checked into radaronline and they have a pic of Kate in a very, very small bikini that was taken while the family was at Discovery Cove. She may have the body for the bikini but I feel it was tooo small and inappopriate to wear out in public with her kids. Okay let the flaming begin.

 

[Buckalew11]

yes, she seems to have a problem with picking suits that are too small.

 

[DMRick]

She may have the body for the bikini but I feel it was tooo small and inappopriate to wear out in public with her kids. Okay let the flaming begin.

I think it already did LOL.

I don't care what anyone wears, as long as the vitals are covered. No flames..you're entitled to your opinion.

 

[walden]

Wow, we actually agree on about 95% of what you wrote. There goes our reputations LOL. I do disagree that those who watch the show are the only ones (or evne most of those) who buy the tabloids or the moves, etc, since I have never bought either, and I have read on other sites that people don't watch the show, but do keep up via the tabloids, online sites, etc. I do have time to post, since I work on my computer and need to babysit my printer often, and I consider it fun, not a waste of time for me. I do read other boards when directed to them, but only post here and on a private board...and not much there, since it's a positive board, and posting is seldom needed imo.

I was surprised to read recently that you don't need to be a Neilsen household to make a difference anymore. Tivoing also give them results.

This statement that we agree 95% somewhat scares me, because we have disagreed on so many things in the past. Primarily our disagreement focus around privacy. Now the kids are 6 you seem to want respect their rights to privacy. Prior to that, not so much. I think that the footage of the G kids that has been shot in the past is reprehensible and violated these children's right to a childhood in their infancies.

But "tant pis" (French)that is done and gone, way before I started watching.

We have disagreed fairly politely, I think, on my part. I have been so polite, and anxious not to direct stuff to individual posters, that accusations of "passive agressive" has been lobbed in my direction.

I'm still not going to name names, because personal attacks are verboten -- but wear the shoe if it fits you.

A frequent poster here has been one of the people who have directed me to other somewhat less googlable (is that a word?) sites. When I checked "Small Town Gosselins" on her recommendation, that poster's perspective seemed totally off, if not a bit inflammatory. Her initial post implied that a demo at the Gosselin home was a done deal. From my latest looks at Face book links there, no demonstration is planned in front of the Gosselin home.

I'm giving that poster the benefit of the doubt and the time lapse, but her post here was a bit misleading.

I have to send a special thanks to Madge (and I will give her name). She, bless her heart, originally directed me to Preesi's scans. I can read the tabs without buying them. Also thanks to Preesi. But even without Madge's research I can google.

As to Tivo and whether it affects the ratings -- Oh, my! I know TIVO exists but I can't even program a VCR. I just watch re-runs on cable in my off-time, sometimes in the early hours when my arthritis plays me up. I do not think what I watch affects ratings in any realistic shape or form.

That said, I'm an older lady with a lot of opinions based on years of professional experience. Like it or lump it, but please don't diss it!

 

[OhMari]

Okay sorry I don't know how to cut and past the link, but I just checked into radaronline and they have a pic of Kate in a very, very small bikini that was taken while the family was at Discovery Cove. She may have the body for the bikini but I feel it was tooo small and inappopriate to wear out in public with her kids. Okay let the flaming begin.

No flames, I've seen a lot worse, and yes, it is inappropriate, but she figures, she looks good, so she sticks with the 2 pieces. To bad the water wasn't freezing, otherwise, she would of had a wet suit.

I have a different question about the picture. It looks like Kate doesn't have the extensions in her hair. It looks like her own hair in the front grown out. What do you guys think.

 

[DMRick]

Now the kids are 6 you seem to want respect their rights to privacy. Prior to that, not so much.

Where do you get this from? Do you just make it up? Prior to that, not so much??? I don't know where you get that from. It's a far cry from my saying I hope they don't show private things on this new show, to assuming I liked the private things on the last show.

We have disagreed fairly politely, I think, on my part. I have been so polite, and anxious not to direct stuff to individual posters, that accusations of "passive agressive" has been lobbed in my direction.

LOL. Ok, if that's what you think. Yep, fairly politely on your side Uh huh. Yes, you never direct stuff to individual posters. Did you even read this post of yours? Do you really thing you aren't directing to individual posters? And not one would think that?

A frequent poster here has been one of the people who have directed me to other somewhat less googlable (is that a word?) sites. When I checked "Small Town Gosselins" on her recommendation, that poster's perspective seemed totally off, if not a bit inflammatory. Her initial post implied that a demo at the Gosselin home was a done deal. From my latest looks at Face book links there, no demonstration is planned in front of the Gosselin home.

That site comes up when I google Gosselins, so I'm not sure why you would say it was a less google site. However, I got that site right here on this board. A demo was going to be at the Gosselin home. It was changed, after many people decided that was not good for the kids. I did not recommend you go to the site. You asked where I had seen that, and so I gave you the site..one I got from another person on this thread.

I'm giving that poster the benefit of the doubt and the time lapse, but her post here was a bit misleading.

It was not a bit misleading. At the time I posted it, that was where it was suggested to be held. It was mentioned on the site that it was changed. Good grief, this isn't a court case on this board. We all have been sent to sites with bits on info. I mentioned that someone wanted to have a demo at the house and I posted where I read it.

As to Tivo and whether it affects the ratings -- Oh, my! I know TIVO exists but I can't even program a VCR. I just watch re-runs on cable in my off-time, sometimes in the early hours when my arthritis plays me up. I do not think what I watch affects ratings in any realistic shape or form.

Since you can't figure out how to tivo (which is not like programing a vcr, it's a one button push), then this would not apply to you. For those here who often mention tivoing, it might apply to them. We take what we want from this thread, and if it doesn't affect you, it doesn't. It doesn't mean it doesn't others.

That said, I'm an older lady with a lot of opinions based on years of professional experience. Like it or lump it, but please don't diss it!

I could say the same. There are a lot of very smart people on this board that give very good input. Some even back up what they say with facts, and it's not just personal opinion. Like it or lump it LOL.

 

[walden]

Oops, just checked in.

Hey ladies, please return to your regularly scheduled posting re the Gosselins and ignore the silly spat above. I should know better than to engage this person.

I was the person the last post was directed at. I'm not responding *point by point* to it, because the spat is:

a) not worth it;
b) boring;
c) I really don't have time;
d) I have posted way more factual stuff on legislation than this all to frequent poster, only to be challenged on all of it by her. Eh, I don't make the laws, I just posted links to them; and
e) Her posts speak for themselves and I do not have to rehash them because we can all read.

Please do not be discouraged by my lack of patience with one particular person. I'll probably be back sometime soon, when real news on new legislation in PA comes forward. See you then. .

Back to the bikini discussion -- I really didn't think it was that bad!

 

[DMRick]

sigh..you just had to toss out some more digs.

Yes, it was directed to you, and everyone knew that..and that is because you keep posting sniping remarks towards me, and it's getting old. You are not being passive agressive, you are out and out attacking me. Even when I tried to agree with you, you made nasty remarks.

How about you just post about what you want, and don't keep putting in all the little personal digs. I realize, as do others, that you always preface it by saying, this isn't for anyone in particular, but then you put things like, if the show fits wear it, a certain poster said (and then you post what I have said), etc.

I called you out, because you are making personal remarks about how I feel about the Gosselins, and you don't even know how I do feel. You just made things up, in your last post. You make sly remarks about people who, unlike you, have time to post on this board. That insults more than me. Several post all over these boards, not just here, and it's their business if they have time. Maybe you don't have time, and that's up to you..but others do, and there is nothing wrong with that. Please stop making your remarks personal.

I have never challenged any of the factual things you have posted..only disagreed with your opinions. If you go back and read my posts, I have disagreed with your opinions, but I have never made remarks about you personally or made the type of insinuations you keep making.

I understand that you think if you call me 'one particular person' you are not naming me, and hence it's ok..but how about just getting back to the fun of the board..you are entitled to your opinion, and I am entitled to mine, without all the sly remarks. If I respond to your opinion, how about keeping it on that subject, instead of all the rest of the sly remarks you add.

I like this thread, and the people on it who have been posting opinions and thoughts. We have all agreed and disagreed and it's just the way a board like this works. You won't drive me off, even if you make up what you think I am saying.

Oops, just checked in.

Hey ladies, please return to your regularly scheduled posting re the Gosselins and ignore the silly spat above. I should know better than to engage this person.

I was the person the last post was directed at. I'm not responding *point by point* to it, because the spat is:

a) not worth it;
b) boring;
c) I really don't have time;
d) I have posted way more factual stuff on legislation than this all to frequent poster, only to be challenged on all of it by her. Eh, I don't make the laws, I just posted links to them; and
e) Her posts speak for themselves and I do not have to rehash them because we can all read.

Please do not be discouraged by my lack of patience with one particular person. I'll probably be back sometime soon, when real news on new legislation in PA comes forward. See you then. .

Back to the bikini discussion -- I really didn't think it was that bad!

 

[whitneyNC]

The bikini at Discovery Cove...omg. It is horrendously horrible as Kate would say. Her body is fine; she would look great in a well fitting, age, life stage, and occasion appropriate suit. tsk, tsk. She can't think that was a good choice for the reef snorkeling or dolphin encounter.

 

[Promomx2]

I did see Jon and his new girlfriend took the kids to a pool. Yes, I know another new girlfriend but at least she was dressed appopriate. I'm sorry I guess I'm old fashion but if I'm going somewhere and really in "MOM" mode, I dress for the occasion and that little bikini Kate wore was NOT Mom mode. Didn't I hear that Kate purposely made sure her costumes of DWTS were modest? Well that suit didn't leave much to the imagination.

 

[DMRick]

I only saw one picture and she was sort of sideways in it (not the suit, the picture LOL). Were there more pictures where you could see it more (or less)?

OT, but to our long time poster Lisa..congrats on the new baby! We want pictures!

 

[mhsjax]

The bikini at Discovery Cove...omg. It is horrendously horrible as Kate would say. Her body is fine; she would look great in a well fitting, age, life stage, and occasion appropriate suit. tsk, tsk. She can't think that was a good choice for the reef snorkeling or dolphin encounter.

YOu are required to wear either a vest of wet suit at Discovery Cove. And I can tell you she is probably sorry she had on that little tiny suit, that water in the Dolphin encounter is usually VERY cold. lol

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Hi guys...posted pics of me and the baby:

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2472673

 

[3prettyprincesses]

Hi guys...posted pics of me and the baby:

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2472673

I saw them! She is absolutely darling! You all look like a fun group and I'm sure your newest sweet girl will be a wonderful addition. I absolutely love new babies! They just smell so good, don't they? Life just seems sweeter with a newborn in your arms. Congrats again!

 

[newtodis]

Hi guys...posted pics of me and the baby:

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2472673

Coming out of lurking to say Congrats Lisa!!!!