Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 8

[Promomx2]

I couldn't believe Kate had turned her interview with Kareem Abdul-Jabar to herself, typical Kate. Too bad she didn't take the twins with her to LA, I bet they would have loved to meet Miley.

 

[OhMari]

I couldn't believe Kate had turned her interview with Kareem Abdul-Jabar to herself, typical Kate. Too bad she didn't take the twins with her to LA, I bet they would have loved to meet Miley.

Is Kareen still have luekemia? Where did you see this interview?

 

[Promomx2]

it was on one of those inside edition or et, I was working on the computer and had the tv on in the background.

 

[DMRick]

When I took my kids on vacation, I told them where they were going and what they were going to do (heck, I often still do, when we vacation together. They must not mind, they continue to like to vacation with us), and while I was at it, I told them they were going to have a good time too, no whining allowed. I also lined them up and listened to them complain while we had the video camera on them.

Funny how different we see things. I think it's great they got to go to some really great places on vacation, curtesy of TLC. I thought of those vacations as the perks of their show.

I didn't see the interview talked about, but if Kate took them to LA, wouldn't they have missed more school? They got to go to Disneyland and Disney World..I'm sure they loved it. Sometimes our kids just don't get to do everything.

I feel so sorry for the kids, having to come home by themselves. And when you think about it, they have never been on a true vacation, one without the cameras and without someone else telling them when they're going and what they're doing. That would drive me crazy. That's one reason we won't go on a cruise, I can't tell the captain when and where to steer the ship.

 

[mhsjax]

When I took my kids on vacation, I told them where they were going and what they were going to do (heck, I often still do, when we vacation together. They must not mind, they continue to like to vacation with us), and while I was at it, I told them they were going to have a good time too, no whining allowed. I also lined them up and listened to them complain while we had the video camera on them.

Funny how different we see things. I think it's great they got to go to some really great places on vacation, curtesy of TLC. I thought of those vacations as the perks of their show.

I didn't see the interview talked about, but if Kate took them to LA, wouldn't they have missed more school? They got to go to Disneyland and Disney World..I'm sure they loved it. Sometimes our kids just don't get to do everything.

Part of the difference is that YOU put YOUR video camera on. Most parents do this type of thing. These kids have professional cameras in their face for all the world to see. Big difference.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

When I took my kids on vacation, I told them where they were going and what they were going to do (heck, I often still do, when we vacation together. They must not mind, they continue to like to vacation with us), and while I was at it, I told them they were going to have a good time too, no whining allowed. I also lined them up and listened to them complain while we had the video camera on them.

Funny how different we see things. I think it's great they got to go to some really great places on vacation, curtesy of TLC. I thought of those vacations as the perks of their show.

I didn't see the interview talked about, but if Kate took them to LA, wouldn't they have missed more school? They got to go to Disneyland and Disney World..I'm sure they loved it. Sometimes our kids just don't get to do everything.

I think Promom's point was that at least there's the *option* of surprising the kids with a trip. For the show, it's all planned, staged and filmed. In a normal (Kate's favorite word!) family, parents can control that element of surprise. For instance, 2 years ago we told our girls we were going on a trip somewhere. They had no idea whatsoever. I packed their stuff and we hopped in the car. Once we got into Florida, they thought it was Hawaii. I guess because of the palm trees. Anyhow, they never noticed the Florida sign and when we came into Disney with that huge arch, I distracted them by letting them watch something on my ipod. They seriously didn't even glance up! Not until we pulled into the Polynesian hotel did they finally realize it was Disney World. I will remember that forever and my DH and I still laugh to think we pulled it off. Now how would that have happened if it were Kate+8?

I understand that our kids don't get to do everything, like go to Disneyland one week and then Disney World the next. I know we've discussed the sense of entitlement that might be affect the Gosselin kids. Again, I find it interesting that real celebs go to great lengths to give their kids normal lives by keeping them out of the spotlight, driving them to school themselves, planning normal b-day parties, etc. And then there's Kate.

 

[Promomx2]

Yes, I planned our vacations right down to the spreadsheet, but we have the option to deviate and do or don't do something if we decide. The gosselin kids may not have the option to hit the pools instead of going to a park with having to go by the schedule of a camera crew.

 

[DMRick]

So, if you planned on Magic Kingdom on Thursday, and paid for the tickets, and your kids said, no thank you I want to go in the pool instead you would? Well, I'm back to being that horrible mother. If I planned on going on Thursday, that's pretty much (barring illness) when we went. They The G's) may have also had down pool time..or since they have a heated pool in their backyard, maybe pool time wasn't as interesting to them as Disney World.

I just find this silly..that because they may find out they are going on vacation before it happens even is an issue. Lots of kids know when stuff is being planned. And who knows..they may also have options. I'd be willing to stick my neck out and say the kids had a wonderful time on all of their planned vacations. And I have no idea if on each and every vacation the kids knew ahead of time. And I wouldn't care either. Maybe knowing ahead of time is part of the excitement. I know I like the anticipation and thinking about going on a trip and can't think of one time my own kids didn't know where or when we were going. For my kids, I think thinking and talking about going to Disney was a big part of the fun. Again, it's different strokes for different folks.

As for the professional cameras, that doesn't seem to bother these kids either. If it does, I'm thinking we aren't going to keep seeing all those smiles and that will be the end of the show.

Yes, I planned our vacations right down to the spreadsheet, but we have the option to deviate and do or don't do something if we decide. The gosselin kids may not have the option to hit the pools instead of going to a park with having to go by the schedule of a camera crew.

 

[madge]

As for the professional cameras, that doesn't seem to bother these kids either. If it does, I'm thinking we aren't going to keep seeing all those smiles and that will be the end of the show.

you think TLC (or Kate) will allow us to see the children unhappy if they didn't enjoy their filming situation? And if they do, will people actually believe that the children don't want to be filmed, or would more excuses be thrown around as to why they look unhappy?

 

[3prettyprincesses]

you think TLC (or Kate) will allow us to see the children unhappy if they didn't enjoy their filming situation? And if they do, will people actually believe that the children don't want to be filmed, or would more excuses be thrown around as to why they look unhappy?

Of course not. TLC and Kate are not fools. If they had footage of the kids not wanting to be filmed, I'm sure that would end up on the cutting room floor. That's a total conflict of interest for them, to show unhappy kids.

And I'm sure excuses would be thrown around too...the kids are tired, grumpy, didn't sleep well the night before, etc.

But we'll never know will we? Nope. The filming is moving ahead, the kids had their nice little break, you know, so they could deal with their parent's divorce. Now it's back to work. I wonder if they get holidays off...

 

[longstangetrip]

So, if you planned on Magic Kingdom on Thursday, and paid for the tickets, and your kids said, no thank you I want to go in the pool instead you would? Well, I'm back to being that horrible mother. If I planned on going on Thursday, that's pretty much (barring illness) when we went. They The G's) may have also had down pool time..or since they have a heated pool in their backyard, maybe pool time wasn't as interesting to them as Disney World.

I just find this silly..that because they may find out they are going on vacation before it happens even is an issue. Lots of kids know when stuff is being planned. And who knows..they may also have options. I'd be willing to stick my neck out and say the kids had a wonderful time on all of their planned vacations. And I have no idea if on each and every vacation the kids knew ahead of time. And I wouldn't care either. Maybe knowing ahead of time is part of the excitement. I know I like the anticipation and thinking about going on a trip and can't think of one time my own kids didn't know where or when we were going. For my kids, I think thinking and talking about going to Disney was a big part of the fun. Again, it's different strokes for different folks.

As for the professional cameras, that doesn't seem to bother these kids either. If it does, I'm thinking we aren't going to keep seeing all those smiles and that will be the end of the show.

So are you arguing that what we see is real or not? I thought they only let us see what they wanted us to see? Are you defending the scrutiny these kids live under? The staging of their lives? They are nothing like child actors who get to walk off of the set each evening and live in a normal family like a normal kid with some privacy. An actor isn't exposing themselves, only the character that they play.

 

[DMRick]

Nope, I'm not arguing at all. I just find some of the scrutiny silly. Planning a vacation and telling the kids about it is not adnormal. So those types of arguments that are supposed to point to why the kids shouldn't be taping, just don't make sense to me. There is a lot wrong with how these kids work, (or there has been in the past, but I'm still holding out hope they have learned and hoping that the personal stuff was the last show, and this one would be different) but IMO, I keep reading a lot of people who hate that the kids work, talk over and over about Kate (and are unhappy when she does intervies, or DWTS or the new show with just her, which people not wanting the kids to work, should IMO be happy about) and the kids..which is the very thing that keeps the show going.

When I read people talking about the poor kids vacation is planned, I have to think to myself..and that is the problem? No wonder they are still on.

When I read people talking about Kate doing interviews, and giving her attention, I think, and that is what is keeping these shows going. The people on this board, who obviously hate that the kids are working, can't stand Kate, are prob more responsible than I am by watching the show. I don't post on any other public board, I don't make comments on any of the radar etc places. The interest in what Kate is doing is just mind boggling to me. People commenting on the poor kids, having to go to Disney, and they prob don't get to stay at the hotel, if they want to, because they are filming, just made me laugh. If that is all you have to show why they shouldn't be filming, this show will go on forever. If the hours are the problem, lets work on that, as some are. If them not being able to be in their own home is a problem, lets make sure that the law is followed and they aren't filming during hours they shouldn't be. But again, picking apart the fact that they are getting free vacations? As I said, I think that is a perk.

As for getting to see the kids unhappy..to me, it's not one or two photo's of one child with a hand in front of his face (and you (general you) can say some of us are just making excuses, but you (again general) are doing the same thing, trying to say that is an unhappy child). Hundreds of photo's are taken of these kids, and if there unhappiness, we would see it over and over. Not the same photo from 13 different angles. It would be the paps, catching them over and over being unhappy..and with all the photo's the paps take, that shouldn't be hard to see. And no one will convince me that TLC could stop the paps from posting pictures showing the kids upset. Those pics would bring some good money.

As for child actors walking of the set each evening and that's the end of the work day for them, I don't buy that. They have lines to learn, most n the past have had dancing and acting lessons when not filming. They have public appearances to do. Are they unhappy? Their acting may not be in their homes, but a lot of Kate and the kids aren't either. But still people aren't happy that they go to places like Disney World. Even when people post on the disboards that they saw them and they looked happy.

I get that many of you won't be happy until they are no longer being taped. But for that to happen, as I said in an earlier post, that won't happen until people are no longer interested. And they are..very much so. Just read the past dozen posts...can you say you (general) are not interested in everything Kate does? You may not like her, but you are interested, and so the show will continue, because of the attention it gets.

And yes, I do think TLC only lets us see what they want us to see on the show. Off the show, it's the paps who show us what they want us to see, and IMO they want us to see the worse. To sell their photo's. Tlc just can't control that.

As for the scrutiny these kids get..a lot of it comes from boards, just like this. Believe me, I don't defend that at all.

So are you arguing that what we see is real or not? I thought they only let us see what they wanted us to see? Are you defending the scrutiny these kids live under? The staging of their lives? They are nothing like child actors who get to walk off of the set each evening and live in a normal family like a normal kid with some privacy. An actor isn't exposing themselves, only the character that they play.

 

[DMRick]

you think TLC (or Kate) will allow us to see the children unhappy if they didn't enjoy their filming situation? And if they do, will people actually believe that the children don't want to be filmed, or would more excuses be thrown around as to why they look unhappy?

There are excuses on both sides..but as long as the paps are able to click their camera's, I do believe that when the kids are unhappy, we'll be seeing it. We may not see it on the show, (although that will show too, if they are unhappy) because I don't think TLC will allow us to see it (you said or Kate..I"m not sure how she decides what TLC will show, I don't think she was careful enough in her contract), but the paps will, IMO. Do you believe Madge, that they didn't have a good time at DW, because it was staged?

 

[DMRick]

Of course not. TLC and Kate are not fools. If they had footage of the kids not wanting to be filmed, I'm sure that would end up on the cutting room floor. That's a total conflict of interest for them, to show unhappy kids.

And I'm sure excuses would be thrown around too...the kids are tired, grumpy, didn't sleep well the night before, etc.

Are you saying we've never seen unhappy, crying kids on the show? We must be watching different shows..or have you not been watching it? As for the excuses, they sound like the same excuses people here on the dis give for their kids being unhappy, in the happiest place on earth LOL.

I actually can't wait to hear what people on this board, who never watch the show, or youtube, or read the dirt mags have to say about the new show LOL. Because if you want the show to be over, that's what you'll have to do..get people to stop talking about it and Kate and what Kate is up to without the kids. Kate seems to be a draw, and as long as she is, we'll be seeing her. Bad publicity or good..doesn't matter to the sponsors.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

Are you saying we've never seen unhappy, crying kids on the show? We must be watching different shows..or have you not been watching it? As for the excuses, they sound like the same excuses people here on the dis give for their kids being unhappy, in the happiest place on earth LOL.

I actually can't wait to hear what people on this board, who never watch the show, or youtube, or read the dirt mags have to say about the new show LOL. Because if you want the show to be over, that's what you'll have to do..get people to stop talking about it and Kate and what Kate is up to without the kids. Kate seems to be a draw, and as long as she is, we'll be seeing her. Bad publicity or good..doesn't matter to the sponsors.

Being uhappy because you're tired at Disney is vastly different than being grumpy because there's a film crew following your every move. When I was watching the show, sure I saw one of them having a tantrum, etc. But my point is that if they're unhappy with being filmed, I highly doubt THAT will be shown. Suppose Mady screams at the camera man, 'get that thing out of my face!' Doris, do you really think they'll show that? Of course not. What if they little ones are all playing outside in one of their playhouses and the camera interrupts them to get a better shot which causes the kids to complain about it. Will that be shown? No. It's a serious conflict of interest. TLC and Kate are trying to make $ off of her well adjusted kids. Not off of unhappy kids who are grumpy because the film crew is in their little faces. You've said in the past that we only see what TLC wants us to see. I agree with that 100%.

I do want the show to be over. I think it's going to crash and burn anyway but still, the kids deserve a life without cameras in their faces at home or while on vacation. Doris, I'm going to ask you this in all sincerity with no snarky attitude intended...don't you think it would be healthier for the kids to have a normal, unfilmed life? Especially given what they've had to go through in the last year? Don't they deserve privacy in their own home? Who cares what the fans want. Who cares what Kate wants. Their home should be a place of privacy, somwhere to relax after being at school all day, not a film set. Have you seen those pics in the past where the film crew has cameras in their faces? I've seen them and it doesn't look right and it all took place in their yard, at their home.

 

[DMRick]

I've said many times, it would be best if they weren't filming. I was happy when it stopped. The kids are getting older and need their privacy. I did say I will be watching the new show, and I'll see if they are back to showing private things, and if they are, I'll make a different decision. However, they are going to be on. The more they are posted about and talked about, the more interest the sponsors have. I was commenting that I find it silly some of the reasons people give for the kids to not be filming. Showing private moments, IMO, not so good. Showing them enjoying a trip paid by TLC, doesn't bother me.

Those that say they hate the whole concept are very vocal all over the net. You (general you) aren't getting that you are one of the reasons this show is so successful and they are on. Sponsors are eating this up. As long as you chat it up, Kate and the kids will have jobs. So, as I said, I may be watching the show, but it is actually the dislike spewed all over the net, imo that is keeping it going.

Doris, I'm going to ask you this in all sincerity with no snarky attitude intended...don't you think it would be healthier for the kids to have a normal, unfilmed life? Especially given what they've had to go through in the last year? Don't they deserve privacy in their own home? Who cares what the fans want. Who cares what Kate wants. Their home should be a place of privacy, somwhere to relax after being at school all day, not a film set. Have you seen those pics in the past where the film crew has cameras in their faces? I've seen them and it doesn't look right and it all took place in their yard, at their home.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

I've said many times, it would be best if they weren't filming. I was happy when it stopped. The kids are getting older and need their privacy. I did say I will be watching the new show, and I'll see if they are back to showing private things, and if they are, I'll make a different decision. However, they are going to be on. The more they are posted about and talked about, the more interest the sponsors have. I was commenting that I find it silly some of the reasons people give for the kids to not be filming. Showing private moments, IMO, not so good. Showing them enjoying a trip paid by TLC, doesn't bother me.

Those that say they hate the whole concept are very vocal all over the net. You (general you) aren't getting that you are one of the reasons this show is so successful and they are on. Sponsors are eating this up. As long as you chat it up, Kate and the kids will have jobs. So, as I said, I may be watching the show, but it is actually the dislike spewed all over the net, imo that is keeping it going.

Thank you Doris for answering my question. I guess I'm still confused then why you would say that you think the kids need privacy, that it's better if they aren't filmed yet criticize those who feel the same way and express it here?

I have to disagree (are you surprised) that if we express our opinion that the Gosselin kids should be off reality tv then we're perpetuating the show. I don't believe for a moment that we're the reason the show is so successful. Some of us here refuse to even watch it. Just because there is discussion doesn't mean it's the reason for the shows success. I don't buy the tabloid magazines and am not planning to watch. How am I contributing to Kate's success then? All I'm doing is discussing it here with all of you fine ladies.

A little OT, but today I was driving my DD's to ballet and saw a sports car with a balding Asian man who looked like Jon! I don't live in PA so it was pretty funny. I suppose if he had been sitting with a 20 something girl, then I'd have known for sure it was him!

 

[DMRick]

I'm not criticizing those who post. I don't care it a zillion people post. I personally do not like to see the private parts of the show, and I do think it would be better if they weren't on tv..however, I'm also not of the belief that having TLC plan vacations, and Kate doing shows, is doing harm to the kids. I think those were the good parts for the kids..the perks.I also don't think the taping is..with the exception of the private things. So I'm hoping they won't show those..that maybe they have learned that a lot of people don't like the private parts. I do wish it was against the law for the paps to follow them, although I also realize that is part of the parcel and even bad advertising is wanted. I do enjoy seeing them enjoy themselves on vacation and doing crafts and cooking with mom.

You may only be expressing your opinion on this board, but there are people who have hate blogs and post about Kate all over the place. When she was on DWTS, they had the highest numbers ever, and atributed it to Kate. Sponsors see all of this attention she and the kids are getting and climb on the band wagon. So, for me, that is doing just the opposite of what those who post that the vacations are sad for the kids, that they shouldn't be taping in their home, want.

It really isn't double speak IMO. I'm not against the taping for the reasons you (and maybe that's general, I don't know) are apparently. But if I was, I would not be posting, I would not be going to the rag mag sites, I would not be going to radar one, because everytime someone clicks on those say places, it tells the sponsors there is interest. And IMO, that interest means the show will keep going on. You don't have to watch the show to be interested on the actual TV, but many here look at it in reruns, you tube, and seem to know an awful lot about what is said and how Kate has acted on shows. So again, the interest is there.

At some point, if I feel there are showing too much private stuff, or if I really feel the kids are unhappy (you really can't hide that..you can't make them smile), then I will be done with the subject.

Thank you Doris for answering my question. I guess I'm still confused then why you would say that you think the kids need privacy, that it's better if they aren't filmed yet criticize those who feel the same way and express it here?

I have to disagree (are you surprised) that if we express our opinion that the Gosselin kids should be off reality tv then we're perpetuating the show. I don't believe for a moment that we're the reason the show is so successful. Some of us here refuse to even watch it. Just because there is discussion doesn't mean it's the reason for the shows success. I don't buy the tabloid magazines and am not planning to watch. How am I contributing to Kate's success then? All I'm doing is discussing it here with all of you fine ladies.

A little OT, but today I was driving my DD's to ballet and saw a sports car with a balding Asian man who looked like Jon! I don't live in PA so it was pretty funny. I suppose if he had been sitting with a 20 something girl, then I'd have known for sure it was him!

 

[madge]

I get that many of you won't be happy until they are no longer being taped. But for that to happen, as I said in an earlier post, that won't happen until people are no longer interested.

I agree that it won't happen any time soon, but it could. Jon & Kate could put a stop to it, they could have put a stop to it a long time ago.

But for Kate to put a stop to it, then that would mean (IMO) that she is willing to give up her (tabloid cover) celebrity status. As we've seen over the last several months, with the exception of the ratings on DWTS, everything that Kate has tried without the children, hasn't been very successful. I predict Kate + 8 will have higher ratings than the other show she's starring in for TLC.

 

[DMRick]

We all know that they aren't going to stop it. But it could be stopped without them, if interest is gone. Just like any show, when it stops being watched, talked about, it goes away.

I haven't seen Kate be in anything other than DWTS and for them (DWTS) the ratings were great. She's done a few interviews, but I never thought they would to lead to anything. There was talk of a talk show Dean, but that never even started.

I predict your prediction is correct, that Kate + 8 will have higher ratings than the Twist show. Which brings me back to what I was saying, that more must want the show on, than those that don't. Perhaps more think it's ok that the kids are on TV than those that don't. Someone is helping support the sponsors, and while people on many of these boards say no one likes Kate, no one wants the kids on TV..well, I don't think that is true. I just think they are more vocal on line, but there are a lot of people who aren't on line, or that do like the show and maybe even Kate.

I agree that it won't happen any time soon, but it could. Jon & Kate could put a stop to it, they could have put a stop to it a long time ago.

But for Kate to put a stop to it, then that would mean (IMO) that she is willing to give up her (tabloid cover) celebrity status. As we've seen over the last several months, with the exception of the ratings on DWTS, everything that Kate has tried without the children, hasn't been very successful. I predict Kate + 8 will have higher ratings than the other show she's starring in for TLC.