Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 8

[talulabelle]

just watched the tape of last night...and...."gasp, oh dear!" Oh, wait, she didn't want us to say that....oh well.

the thing about the lift is , watching your tv, you can't tell she is being lifted, because, the camera is lifting on the same lift, so it just is a close up of Kate and nothing else, no lifting. I didn't know where she went at the end of the "dance" and then all the sudden- a close up of her? then as everyone is laughing at her from the ground and joking that she is stuck up there, I'm like "she is up on a lift? when did that happen?" REALLY bad staging and producing and choreagraphing and everything else. It was so bad, that I almost think Kate might of come up with it herself.

and oh my Kate, the reason 90% of people don't like you is because you are all about you. The fact that you are whining that no one likes you and talking about it during rehearsal is the reason why. You are always talking about you. Just forget about yourself for a second and do something....whatever it is you do. Everyone likes Erin Adrews ,but she isn't doing dances about her life. Her opening scene for a dance wasn't her playing herself as a sportscaster with a mic in her hand. It wasn't a scene of her in a hotel room with a peeping tom looking in the peephole with a camera. The point is...everyone has had their own drama, but they don't shove everyones face in it. Erin got up there and danced and wasn't all about herself and her drama filled life. She didn't cry during rehearsal that she had had a bad year and she was shaken and disturbed by what had recently happened to her. She just danced. Just get over yourself Kate. Everyone else is over you.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

You are right, she won't see that she is exploiting them, because as far as she's concerned, they are being taped playing and having fun. I don't fool easily, however, so I don't agree with your words that she has effectively fooled people (although I can only speak for myself), and I do think that she is earning some nice money for their futures. I do think she can support them by not being on TV, as can all the reality shows, but IMO, she is making money to allow them to live what she considers a better life style. I do believe that while she is still not with them all the time, if she had to be a nurse, and earn enough to support them for the long term, she would have to work a heck of a lot more hours.

If I agreed that it was causing them harm, then I would have a different opinion. Obviously there are some that think it's harming them, and some that don't. That's why boards like this are so popular. Lots of different opinions, although most of the people who do like Kate and the show have left this board, and gone onto other, more positive boards, because of the way the discussions sometimes go . Soon all that will be here, are those who want the show to end, and those that dislike Kate.

Just because she appears to be earning money for their futures, doesn't mean the method she is using to do so makes it right. And up until she and Jon were ordered to put at least 15% away for the kids, who knows how much money has *really* been put aside for them. That house alone probably ate up a nice chunk of the kids' money.

I read that PA is instituting a J&K law regarding child labor:

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/news/local_news/052410-state-rep-to-offer-jon-and-kate-child-law

What is confusing to me though, is that it states children under 7 (which is all of the sextuplets) are only allowed temporary permits. How is TLC getting away with that then??

 

[DMRick]

Just because she appears to be earning money for their futures, doesn't mean the method she is using to do so makes it right.

And of course you are stating your opinion, I guess, that you don't think doing the show is right for the kids. Not everyone shares that opinion, and some think it's a good way to earn money for their futures. We all have opinions..I wish they wouldn't have 19 and counting on, because I wonder the same thing, are these kids getting any money from the show. Certainly these shows with kids have exploded, and they have audiences. The one on WE will be starting up soon with the 6 kids (the one where the mom is a doctor..they moved to FL according to the teaser, I wonder if they need to get permits there) and the teaser is already about how it is affecting their marriage.

And up until she and Jon were ordered to put at least 15% away for the kids, who knows how much money has *really* been put aside for them. That house alone probably ate up a nice chunk of the kids' money.

That's right, who knows. I don't. They have said that they have a nice chunk put aside before being told they had too (and 15% of the profit is diddly, I sure hope they are putting away more than that. That money can be used on the kids, I believe). But of course, it's just assumed they lied, I guess.

I read that PA is instituting a J&K law regarding child labor:

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/news/local_news/052410-state-rep-to-offer-jon-and-kate-child-law

What is confusing to me though, is that it states children under 7 (which is all of the sextuplets) are only allowed temporary permits. How is TLC getting away with that then??

I thought it meant the kids under 7 didn't have to have permits, that they were allowed to have temporary employment. I didn't see where it said temporary permits. However, wasn't the problem that PA doesn't make you get a permit for kids under 7? And wasn't another complaint that this isn't a motion picture, and some didn't consider it entertainment, since it was a reality show? But since the hearings, it's been said this is entertainment and that's why they had to get the permits?

Here is what it says:

"Pennsylvania state law permits children who are at least 7 years old to work in the entertainment industry, as long as a permit is obtained and certain rules are followed. The law also allows performers younger than 7 to have "temporary employment ... in the production of a motion picture."

 

[3prettyprincesses]

And of course you are stating your opinion, I guess, that you don't think doing the show is right for the kids. Not everyone shares that opinion, and some think it's a good way to earn money for their futures. We all have opinions..I wish they wouldn't have 19 and counting on, because I wonder the same thing, are these kids getting any money from the show. Certainly these shows with kids have exploded, and they have audiences. The one on WE will be starting up soon with the 6 kids (the one where the mom is a doctor..they moved to FL according to the teaser, I wonder if they need to get permits there) and the teaser is already about how it is affecting their marriage.

That's right, who knows. I don't. They have said that they have a nice chunk put aside before being told they had too (and 15% of the profit is diddly, I sure hope they are putting away more than that. That money can be used on the kids, I believe). But of course, it's just assumed they lied, I guess.

I thought it meant the kids under 7 didn't have to have permits, that they were allowed to have temporary employment. I didn't see where it said temporary permits. However, wasn't the problem that PA doesn't make you get a permit for kids under 7? And wasn't another complaint that this isn't a motion picture, and some didn't consider it entertainment, since it was a reality show? But since the hearings, it's been said this is entertainment and that's why they had to get the permits?

Here is what it says:

"Pennsylvania state law permits children who are at least 7 years old to work in the entertainment industry, as long as a permit is obtained and certain rules are followed. The law also allows performers younger than 7 to have "temporary employment ... in the production of a motion picture."

That's the word I was focusing on above, temporary, not permits. Obviously if the sextuplets can have temporary employment (permits, whatever), how is that possible if Kate+8 is a series??

Do you recall that interview with Jon where he said that the kids money was in an account but that they were able to dip into it if need be? That mentality right there tells me at least that the kids' money isn't (wasn't) safe. It's a revocable trust. How do you think J&K paid all their lawyer's fees? Heck, the kid's trust wasn't even in place till last November. So where is all the $ from the previous seasons of J&K+8? Only now is their $ going to be safe, since the ruling of the child labor investigation. Which is a very good thing IMO. Personally, I think Kate believes that there's nothing wrong with kids contributing to the home salary base. She probably thinks they are earning their way for heavens sake.

And yes, I do think the show is a bad idea. Those kids need privacy and should be able to have it at their home, of all places. (The clip they showed last night on DWTS showed the kids eating lunch in the kitchen.) The Duggars are just as bad and I wonder too how much $ is set aside for the kids. It's not a normal lifestyle for a child(ren), even if money is being made in their name for their future. I could give ludricous examples of how parents could make money off their kids but I won't since I doubt it will convince you.

Doris, you say that those who like Kate have left this board. How many people was that anyway? The fact that there are *more* here who think Kate has made bad decisions for her kids should speak for itself. And yes, I'm one of them. When her kids are grown and see the circus that was their life, maybe Kate will then understand that it was her fault, well hers and Jons to be fair. Kids are not a commodity, they deserve privacy and time to enjoy being a kid. Without a camera in their face or private, personal books written by their mother.

 

[DMRick]

Do you recall that interview with Jon where he said that the kids money was in an account but that they were able to dip into it if need be? That mentality right there tells me at least that the kids' money isn't (wasn't) safe. It's a revocable trust. How do you think J&K paid all their lawyer's fees? Heck, the kid's trust wasn't even in place till last November.

I do remember that. I was hoping that Kate quickly took Jon's name off the account. I don't know if she did, but since then, and before the required 15%, she has said the kids money was safe.

So where is all the $ from the previous seasons of J&K+8? Only now is their $ going to be safe, since the ruling of the child labor investigation. Which is a very good thing IMO.

I hope they are putting a lot more than the total of 15% net divided by 8 (or 10) in accounts. I don't know what they used to pay their lawyers, and I can only hope it wasn't the money they had put aside for the kids. Those are the types of remarks that just make me shake my head. Why even say stuff like that to make Kate look bad, if you don't know if it happened? I guess that stuff is just the stuff I don't get that is often said on this board.

Personally, I think Kate believes that there's nothing wrong with kids contributing to the home salary base. She probably thinks they are earning their way for heavens sake.

I have always assumed (and maybe I'm wrong) that the total salary paid for the house (of course they have a mortgage, so I guess I should say the down payment). They have always said the house is the kids (I know, I know, you prob think that is a lie). I hope that is true. None of us really knows where the money is, and certainly, once we found out they were paid much much less than we thought, maybe they just don't have a lot anymore. Kate got, I beleive $500,000 form DWTS..that should help for awhile or maybe it's going in savings for when the show is off the air. All of us are supposing how it's been spent, what savings there are, etc. We just don't know, so I'm not going to make accusations about someone I don't even know when I have no idea what they have done with their money.

I could give ludricous examples of how parents could make money off their kids but I won't since I doubt it will convince you.

I could think of lots of ludicrous examples of how parents could make money off their kids too..but I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. I'm not sure what you are trying to convince me of.

Doris, you say that those who like Kate have left this board. How many people was that anyway? The fact that there are *more* here who think Kate has made bad decisions for her kids should speak for itself.

Many lurk and don't care to be in the fray any longer. If they say they like Kate, they are given a litany of reasons why they shouldn't..like, she prob didn't save any money for the kids, she was away from them too much (even if they are with their dad), she said this or that. Just picky stuff IMO . There are many who like her, like the show, and several of us still 'talk' via pm. Two just yesterday. Some will pop in once in a while and some have said, never mind, I see it's still just as hateful. I understand that you don't think the kids should be on TV. I get that. I was happy when the show stopped, but for me it was more the private parts and the junk about Kate and Jon that I didn't like. I just don't have the hate for Kate you (general you) have. I'm getting tired of all the hate myself, and when the personal stuff gets flung, so I'm sure I won't be here much longer myself.

Kate isn't doing anythink illegal. She certainly has people keeping an eye on the show. The kids seem happy and healthy to me. They seem to enjoy the trips and the shooting. I will assume that Kate isn't spending all the money on foolish things, since I haven't heard yet that the bills are past due. If more people think like you and won't watch the show, it will soon be over. If more watch it (even if just to comment on how horrible she is) it will stay.

All I can do, when I read some of the stuff I read (about Kate and heck, even me when I refuse to judge her on stuff I just don't know about) is shake my head...And that is in sadness, since I had enjoyed the comraderie on this board, even with different opinions. But so many have left, the fun is being sucked right out of it.

 

[kidshop]

And of course you are stating your opinion, I guess, that you don't think doing the show is right for the kids. Not everyone shares that opinion, and some think it's a good way to earn money for their futures. We all have opinions..I wish they wouldn't have 19 and counting on, because I wonder the same thing, are these kids getting any money from the show. Certainly these shows with kids have exploded, and they have audiences. The one on WE will be starting up soon with the 6 kids (the one where the mom is a doctor..they moved to FL according to the teaser, I wonder if they need to get permits there) and the teaser is already about how it is affecting their marriage.

That family moved to my area. Was the mom a doctor? It was something in the medical field. there was a write up in the paper about them. She works nights and he works days and they will only film 5 days a month, from what I remember. The article did not seem to present them as people who wanted to make the show their life, and their life the show. They still both work regular jobs, take the kids to the park, and belong to the regular MOPS group etc.

I don't get that channel so I won't see it, but there probably will be local bits here and there.

I hope they don't lose their grip on reality, and succumb to fame.

 

[DMRick]

In the teaser, the mom was asking the dad about how much income he will be bringing in. It sounds like he started something new, and it's not real profitable. The over voice mentioned the strain on their marriage. Yes, she is a doctor (I think a pediatrician). They actually sound a lot like K & J when they talk to each other IMO. She's always on him about his weight and he sneaks junk food when she isn't looking. When she is home, once the dad comes in the door from work, she starts in on how he should take over the kids. He would like time to get totally in the door first, and they 'nicely' spat about that on several shows. He doesn't take it as well as
Jon did. She also had a tummy tuck and breast inplant I believe on the last show.

I wish they watched their kids a little better..I hope they do when not taping. We've seen them all necked in the tub (one climbed out and grandpa had a hard time catching him), and they seen to run into the road, got on the other side of the fence where the pool is. Just had me saying to the TV..watch out, when one almost tumbled down a hill while trick or treating. They eat a lot of chicken pieces cooked in the microwave LOL.

It sounds like they will be on weekly..wonder how the heck they do that if they only tape 5 days a month. Maybe they get each show done in a day.

I was surprised they moved, since they put an addition on their small house during the last season.

She works outside the home and is likeable, so you prob won't hear much about her.

That family moved to my area. Was the mom a doctor? It was something in the medical field. there was a write up in the paper about them. She works nights and he works days and they will only film 5 days a month, from what I remember. The article did not seem to present them as people who wanted to make the show their life, and their life the show. They still both work regular jobs, take the kids to the park, and belong to the regular MOPS group etc.

I don't get that channel so I won't see it, but there probably will be local bits here and there.

I hope they don't lose their grip on reality, and succumb to fame.

 

[Dee77]

Hello again- it's been a while since I posted on this thread-

I just finished watching DWTS and here's some exact quotes that I think shows why some of us did not quite get the "it's a joke about her dancing" bit..

Tony "She doesn't want to repeat what happened in the last performance so she is going to give it her all"

Kate "I wanted to make the choreography more difficult because that's really who I am, give me a challenge, make it harder."

Tony " it's one thing saying you want something, it's a whole other thing actually doing it"

Somewhere in there is when she realized that the "enjoy myself and laughing at myself" was really the only route she could take.

She "rehearsed" for many days on this and with no pressure to keep the competition going, she really was lousy, no improvement whatsoever! In most of the footage that was shown of their finale rehearsals all it looked like Kate did was stand there with her arms crossed or her hands on her hips, yikes, she was not smiling in that footage at all.

I forgot that Shannon D was even on the show and she looked a lot better than when she was in competition so to me that says a lot.

Anyway this is JMHO

 

[3prettyprincesses]

I do remember that. I was hoping that Kate quickly took Jon's name off the account. I don't know if she did, but since then, and before the required 15%, she has said the kids money was safe.

I hope they are putting a lot more than the total of 15% net divided by 8 (or 10) in accounts. I don't know what they used to pay their lawyers, and I can only hope it wasn't the money they had put aside for the kids. Those are the types of remarks that just make me shake my head. Why even say stuff like that to make Kate look bad, if you don't know if it happened? I guess that stuff is just the stuff I don't get that is often said on this board.

I have always assumed (and maybe I'm wrong) that the total salary paid for the house (of course they have a mortgage, so I guess I should say the down payment). They have always said the house is the kids (I know, I know, you prob think that is a lie). I hope that is true. None of us really knows where the money is, and certainly, once we found out they were paid much much less than we thought, maybe they just don't have a lot anymore. Kate got, I beleive $500,000 form DWTS..that should help for awhile or maybe it's going in savings for when the show is off the air. All of us are supposing how it's been spent, what savings there are, etc. We just don't know, so I'm not going to make accusations about someone I don't even know when I have no idea what they have done with their money.

Many lurk and don't care to be in the fray any longer. If they say they like Kate, they are given a litany of reasons why they shouldn't..like, she prob didn't save any money for the kids, she was away from them too much (even if they are with their dad), she said this or that. Just picky stuff IMO . There are many who like her, like the show, and several of us still 'talk' via pm. Two just yesterday. Some will pop in once in a while and some have said, never mind, I see it's still just as hateful. I understand that you don't think the kids should be on TV. I get that. I was happy when the show stopped, but for me it was more the private parts and the junk about Kate and Jon that I didn't like. I just don't have the hate for Kate you (general you) have. I'm getting tired of all the hate myself, and when the personal stuff gets flung, so I'm sure I won't be here much longer myself.

Kate isn't doing anythink illegal. She certainly has people keeping an eye on the show. The kids seem happy and healthy to me. They seem to enjoy the trips and the shooting. I will assume that Kate isn't spending all the money on foolish things, since I haven't heard yet that the bills are past due. If more people think like you and won't watch the show, it will soon be over. If more watch it (even if just to comment on how horrible she is) it will stay.

All I can do, when I read some of the stuff I read (about Kate and heck, even me when I refuse to judge her on stuff I just don't know about) is shake my head...And that is in sadness, since I had enjoyed the comraderie on this board, even with different opinions. But so many have left, the fun is being sucked right out of it.

Doris, you are guilty of the same and I say that with complete respect, not anger or intended snark. If someone opposes Kate, you give your reasons to the contrary. We are all discussing here and I'm not flinging anything personal at you, I'm really not.

Sure I don't care for Kate but it has nothing to do with her hair, bikini choice or dancing ability (well, lack of I should say!). My dislike (which is far from hate) is that she is using her children for financial gain, is invading their privacy and valuing her chosen lifestyle over that. That's it. I don't care if she's a great speaker or not, if she's not a great cook, tans or gets mani pedi's.

Just because we're disagreeing doesn't mean the fun is being sucked out of it, at least not for me.

ETA: If this were just a J&K show, all of this would be a moot point with me. But there are 8 little kids involved who don't have a say in this. To me, that's the difference. A little OT but marriages and couples don't fare very well in the world of reality tv. Imagine what kind of effects it could have on a child, or 8. Why not err on the side of caution? Let Kate make or break it with the Twisted Kate show. Some of us have said it before, let her stand on her own 2 feet and not on the shoulders of her 8 kids. Let her be the tv correspondant for whatever that show was (ET or something).

 

[OhMari]

I'm still trying to find a link to the show last nite. It's summer in Wisconsin, and when it is still 80 outside at 7:00 p.m., no one goes back in the house. Weather like this doesn't happen to often.
Anyway, weather talk done,
I saw an interview that radaronline had with Kate. Once again Kate was quoted as saying, "how she will keep in touch with all these people" and "how nice it was to see them again."
Kate also said her and Pam will definately stay in touch.

Now my opinion. DWTS was like a summer camp for Kate. She may stay in contact for awhile, but the contact will eventually stop. But I could be wrong. Who knows.

 

[DMRick]

You are right..you were not flinging anything personal at me.

You are also right, I do give reasons to the contrary, except I think (and maybe it's just my take on it) that I try to go the non judge her because we really don't know if the things such as money, how much time is spent tanning, her affair with Steve, if she's doing this only for her own benefit etc are even true, route. A lot of what is said about Kate, imo has nothing to do with the kids, but Kate and the intense dislike of her. And somehow, what some of us are seeing, is not that people care so much for the kids well being, but that they dislike Kate so much, it seems to get mixed up. And once that happens, it's hard to listen to people say it's just about the kids. Even when she tries to have something apart from the kids, such as her Twist show or DWTS, or doing interviews or being on shows, she is so criiticized, that it starts to make sense that she keep on with the kids show, since people slam her no matter what she does.

For instance, the bathing suit. I looked at all the pictures of all the ladies shown, and many of the celebrities were with their kids. Good grief, Kate was covered up in hers, in comparison (someone said Jon's newest gf's was better..I only saw spaghetti straps under her cover up, so I have no idea what her's looked like..did they actually show it?). I cruise a lot, and I see 'small' suits all the time, including thongs. I have to admit, I didn't get what her suit had to do with her care of her children.

And yeah, after reading stuff like this day after day, the fun does get sucked out for me. It just seems she is so attacked about things that have nothing to do with the show. I always expect comments about her, but lately they seem so laced with dislike.

We will have to agree to disagree about the show. As I said, the kids seem healthy and happy, and love their vacations, their little houses and the perks. Until I see something that I don't like, I'm not having a problem with the show this time around..so far. I hope the kids have accounts, and that Kate isn't doing this just for money for herself. I hope she really does love those kids and is doing it for the right reasons. Until the kids write books, I just won't know.

As for the last dance, and the parts they showed us during rehearsal, I just don't take those things as complete. We (as in those here watching it, including the person who doesn't even know who Kate is) got out of it that she made fun of herself. She said she was going to give her all, I thought she did (yep, I think that was her all, LOL). It made me laugh, and it had nothing to do with the kids, and while someone thought Tony coudn't even look at her, I just don't see that stuff. I saw lots of people laughing. Maybe they were laughing at her..I don't know. It would have been practiced on the stage earlier, so some knew it was coming.

Doris, you are guilty of the same and I say that with complete respect, not anger or intended snark. If someone opposes Kate, you give your reasons to the contrary. We are all discussing here and I'm not flinging anything personal at you, I'm really not.

Sure I don't care for Kate but it has nothing to do with her hair, bikini choice or dancing ability (well, lack of I should say!). My dislike (which is far from hate) is that she is using her children for financial gain, is invading their privacy and valuing her chosen lifestyle over that. That's it. I don't care if she's a great speaker or not, if she's not a great cook, tans or gets mani pedi's.

Just because we're disagreeing doesn't mean the fun is being sucked out of it, at least not for me.

 

[walden]

Just because she appears to be earning money for their futures, doesn't mean the method she is using to do so makes it right. And up until she and Jon were ordered to put at least 15% away for the kids, who knows how much money has *really* been put aside for them. That house alone probably ate up a nice chunk of the kids' money.

I read that PA is instituting a J&K law regarding child labor:

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/news/local_news/052410-state-rep-to-offer-jon-and-kate-child-law

What is confusing to me though, is that it states children under 7 (which is all of the sextuplets) are only allowed temporary permits. How is TLC getting away with that then??

I just came here to post that link. I knew this was in the pipeline. Representative Murt has developed new improved legislation to tighten the gaps and loopholes in the existing child labor law that TLC has exploited (and been found in violation of) in the past.

When TLC was found in violation of the Child Labor Laws by the Department of Labor in March and told the children should have work permits all along, it was ordered to put 15% in a trust and to apply for work permits in the future. It complied. Who knows whether K & J really put much or anything aside for the kids.

Without seeing Representative Murt's new legislation amending the law, although it should be available to the public before the public Hearing next week, it isn't clear what the implications of "temporary* are. It may mean a few hours, days or weeks.

The new legislation/amendment could take a while to be voted into law, depending on opposition. As it will not be retroactive, the Gosselin kids are probably stuck with the old work permits and conditions of employment until their brand new work permits come up for renewal next year when they are 7.

Law making is generally reactive -- someone sees something they find unacceptable and brings it to the attention of a leglislator who agrees. Bills are drafted, public hearings are held, drafts are rewritten, and eventually bills are voted on, passed and enacted into law. A very long and tedious process, but a fair one. An amendment to a current law is a shorter and easier process.

There is a much better description here. http://www.bcnys.org/inside/sb/billlaw.htm
This is for New York State, but the process is pretty much the same for all states.

 

[madge]

Really, you didn't see she was making fun of herself?

nope. she looked ridiculous.

 

[madge]

. If they say they like Kate, they are given a litany of reasons why they shouldn't.

unlike the litany of excuses given to those who dislike what Kate is doing? the door swings both ways here.

 

[DMRick]

I guess I just don't like hate (or intense dislike) and judgement much.

I make no excuses for what Kate does, since I don't know if she is being a bad mother. I freely admit I don't know if she needs to earn money or if she has lots of it. Some here seem to know just how much she has saved or not saved for the kids (I have no idea). Some here just know she must be having an affair with Steve..I have no idea, and I've yet to see one picture that proves that out. Some here think her children hate being taped. I have no idea, I can only go by what I see on their faces. I have to admit it..I venture more on proof, than heresay.

I do admit I assume she loves her children. I do admit I assume when she says she is saving for them she isn't lying (yes, I know someone said she should show the accounts some time ago, but why should she?). I do admit that when she tries to get a show going without the kids, I'm willing to give her a chance, even if it's not a show I would watch, rather than try to tear her down.

It's the picky stuff that people post, that has nothing to do with the kids, her bikini, her tanning, her nails, the way she dresses the kids, her cooking, or lack thereoff (of which again, I have no idea if she cooks or not) her sitting in a white plastic chair, her not talking to someone at a book signing, her leaving a talk without mixing, her saying she hates the paps, but some of you are sure she calls them, her tears, that some of you just know are fake, that I just don't get.

Hate to me, just breeds more hate. And I truly believe the hate does affect the kids, or will when they are old enough to get on the net, even more than anything you think their parents have done to them. Some people here say she has brought it on herself, because they believe that she is teaching her children to expect things handed to them, or that she shouldn't tell her kids that they deserve everything (have I seen her kids misbehave? I sure have, but to me they are normal kids that misbehave, not just because they have had stuff handed to them). I've seen a person who has worked for what she has gotten. Obviously, you see something much different, and you think this all happened because she knew she would have a bunch of kids.

Of course, this is a public board, and everyone can continue to tear her down..but to me, that isn't protecting the kids. Give me real things that she has done to make you hate her, other than the fact that she has a TV show, just like many others, with her kids. Show me that Jon is getting custody, because she abuses her children. Show me that she isn't using money on them to supply a place to live and food to eat. Show me that she isn't leaving them in good hands, when she is off working. Show me that the kids school has gotten involved because the kids have problems. Show me proof that someone has managed to get social services to get involved to remove the kids. Then I'll gladly agree with you that Kate is a bad person that uses bad judgement with her kids.

Don't give me the stuff saying she prob didn't start accounts for the kids, when none of us have any idea either way.

Say I give you a litany of excuses for sticking up for her, but what I am doing, is trying not to judge, what I don't know. I try not to judge in my real life, and I try not to judge a person on a TV show that I don't know.

unlike the litany of excuses given to those who dislike what Kate is doing? the door swings both ways here.

 

[DMRick]

unlike the litany of excuses given to those who dislike what Kate is doing? the door swings both ways here.

Just wanted to add to this, that the dislike of what Kate is doing, isn't even what I see much on this board, (assuming you mean having the kids on a show). The past few months, it's been much more focussed on the dislike of Kate. The kids weren't on TV, so this board should have been very happy. But if you go back, even with the kids not on TV and us not knowing if they would be, the tearing down continued.

 

[madge]

Just wanted to add to this, that the dislike of what Kate is doing, isn't even what I see much on this board, (assuming you mean having the kids on a show). The past few months, it's been much more focussed on the dislike of Kate. The kids weren't on TV, so this board should have been very happy. But if you go back, even with the kids not on TV and us not knowing if they would be, the tearing down continued.

yes. I was referring to having the kids on the show. I wasn't around for a period of time .. so I have no idea what was said in the pre-DWTS time.

I would not be friends with Kate IRL, based on what I've seen on TV and am aware of that happened when she appeared locally. I neither like nor dislike her, because I don't know her.

 

[mousey]

I'm very surprised that the +8 didn't appear in the audience of DWTS! I know everytime Kate opened her mouth she had to tell everyone she has 8 kids. I thought she looked quite awkward yesterday when they announced Nicole as the winner and Kate went up to hug her and Nicole had this blank stare on her face. Its like the 1st one voted out of survivor--no one remembers them very well. I think Kate alienated enough people on that show to last a lifetime. I don't think even Derek could of made a dancer out of Kate. Hair, makeup and costumes didn't do her any favors either. Well if Kate plus 8 or Twisted Kate doesn't work out their is always that "cougar" show that would be perfect for her.

 

[MAKmom]

This may have been posted but can you believe Kate made $500,000 on DWTS?

The base pay was rumored to be $125,000 + $20,000 for each week you survive.

 

[walden]

The latest Open Letter from Paul Petersen: http://www.minorcon.org/tlc1.html

He is a powerful advocate for all children in the entertainment industry, and I don't just say that because I had a crush on Jeff Stone back in my teens.

Also, I can't remember whether this was posted before, but he refers to it in the open letter so it is relevant -- The letter from the DOL to TLC back in March:
:http://tmz.vo.llnwd.net/o28/newsdesk/tmz_documents/0414_gosselin.pdf