Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 8

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No need to 'feel sorry' for those of us who are planning on watching. The idea that there is tragedy in this at this time is your opinion, and believe it or not, not everyone sees it the same way as you. It hasn't even been on yet, and so I'll make my judgement call once I see it. If I think the kids look used or sad, or if the more personal parts are being shown. I'll base if I will continue watching it on that. .

Oh absolutely. What I said, if I may repeat the content of my last post, was that I feel sorry for those "who still want to pretend that this family is either *real* or functional, and want to watch for entertainment." I certainly know that some people do not agree with me, but am entitled to voice my opinion openly here, perhaps without being either patronized or insulted. I use my judgement too, and I am far from stupid. :)

If people want to keep watching to keep tabs on the well-being of the Gosselin kids, that is fine by me. Go for it, but try to look at it objectively. Focus on the kids, not the parents. Supposedly "unfair" treatment of Kate by viewers is not the issue; the well-being of the children is. I'll be watching for legislation, myself, because it is clear that Kate wants to film those kids whether they like it or not -- and Jon is fine with that. :sad2:

But while we are indulging in idle speculation about Collin's hands and coat being over his face because he was perhaps, as DMRick speculates, crying, licking chocolate off his hands, or avoiding the sun, why not consider a much more obvious possibility -- he didn't like the paps and was hiding from them?

The Gosselin kids are our equivalent of the Dionnes. We know how they felt about losing their childhoods. Why are the Gosselins so different? Why should their childhoods be sacrificed for our entertainment?
 
Oh absolutely. What I said, if I may repeat the content of my last post, was that I feel sorry for those "who still want to pretend that this family is either *real* or functional, and want to watch for entertainment." I certainly know that some people do not agree with me, but am entitled to voice my opinion openly here, perhaps without being either patronized or insulted. I use my judgement too, and I am far from stupid. :)
I guess we are both feeling a bit patronized and insulted. I have no problem with anyone voicing their opinion. However, I do have a problem with someone stating that others should be felt sorry for, because they don't see the share the same opinion as you. I'm just saying..please don't feel sorry for me. I did not at all insinuate you were stupid, but I did point out that what you said was your opinion. Neither of us have any facts as to why Collin had his hands up to his face. I can say with certainy, which scenerio would get attention, and I never doubt that the paps take many many pics of everybody, hoping for one that will have that reaction and would sell for them. They could take 100 pictures of Kate smiling, but what we'll see in the news is the frown. That's been talked about in the past, and Kate and Jon have also talked about that.

But while we are indulging in idle speculation about Collin's hands and coat being over his face because he was perhaps, as DMRick speculates, crying, licking chocolate off his hands, or avoiding the sun, why not consider a much more obvious possibility -- he didn't like the paps and was hiding from them?
And maybe that is one of the reasons. I believe I said we just don't know..so why would one 'speculation' be more true than the other?

The Gosselin kids are our equivalent of the Dionnes. We know how they felt about losing their childhoods. Why are the Gosselins so different? Why should their childhoods be sacrificed for our entertainment?
Again, your opinion. The Gosselins were not taken over by the government as the Diones were and then made wards of the court. They remain with their parents and I think that is a big difference.
 

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Not all of the kids that have been in TV series have had a bad ending..many have been successful later in life, just like our (general) own children. Some do very well, and some don't. I don't see that this is going to go on for long, as the kids are growing up and may not be as appealing. I just hope some of the money (and I wish that for all of these shows) is going into their accounts, and will make life easier for them if they need help in college or their adult lives.

The decision was made, and while I may not agree that they need to be on TV, after much ta doo they are being allowed to have them on. And I plan on tuning it to see what this version of the show is about. Others will get the same results from watching it on youtube and reading and talking about it online. The attention will still be on them, and it's the attention that grabs the sponsors, which enables the show to be on.


But we are not talking about child actors here are we? Child actors who are playing parts, like Ron Howard as "Opie," who credits his parents' enormous skills for his survival in the toxic medium, or Paul Petersen, who has dedicated a good part of his adult life to protecting other child actors, as he and others were not sufficiently protected.

The Gosselins can only be compared to the Dionnes of the Loud family, not to child actors. It is their lives that are being filmed. They are the most intensively filmed of of Reality TV children to date. A new phenomenon, so comparisons to child actors are invidious and useless.
 
Kate is in the audience of DWTS tonight. I'm watching right now and they showed her sitting there. I wonder why?:confused3
 
quick trip to Disney, wasn't it? anyone know how long they were there?

I saw on the Theme Park Board, that they were spotted last week Thurs., so maybe they flew in Wednesday nite and stayed for a long weekend. I know they were spotted at the MK and Animal Kingdom, don't know about the other parks.
 
The Gosselins can only be compared to the Dionnes of the Loud family, not to child actors. It is their lives that are being filmed. They are the most intensively filmed of of Reality TV children to date. A new phenomenon, so comparisons to child actors are invidious and useless.
We're just going to have to agree to disagree. I do compare them to child actors. Kids like Ricky and David Nelson, Luci and Ricky's kids, and yes, even Ron Howard whose lives were in the public. I do not compare them to the Dionnes. As I said, those children were taken away as babies from their parents and their public display was way over what the G kids were. They were treated like animals in a zoo. But we can go around and around and there is no point. It's semantics IMO. Doesn't matter to me how many times or how many ways you say it :confused3 I disagree and that's it. You won't change my mind and I won't change yours.
I personally believe, if all of those who want these kids off the air, stopped reading the paps, the internet, commenting on them, if there really is more against, than for, they would disappear never to be heard of again. On the other hand, if there really is more for, than against (sounds like survivor LOL) or, those against continue to talk them up and make the sponsors happy (doesn't matter if they like them, just if they are talking about them) then the show will go on.
 
I saw that on AOL front page earlier today. I wonder if it's true, or if in fact they are hyping it up, to get people to tune in. Tony did an interview last week where he said he plans on bringing his child/ren over to Kate's to play with her kids. He was very complimentary. Do I believe him or is he hyping the show too?

bingo! as long as there are sponsors, someone will hire Kate ... whether she's qualified (or good at it) or not.

interesting read:
http://www.popeater.com/2010/05/17/...0/05/17/kate-gosselin-dancing-with-the-stars/
 
I saw on the Theme Park Board, that they were spotted last week Thurs., so maybe they flew in Wednesday nite and stayed for a long weekend. I know they were spotted at the MK and Animal Kingdom, don't know about the other parks.

Do you remember which thread on the Theme Park Board this was on? I tried, but couldn't find it.
 
Do I believe him or is he hyping the show too?

I'd say it's mostly hype, with a little truth mixed in. As soon as you mention Kate, you get immediate free publicity. I know that from personal experience. My blog entry about Jodi (from over a year ago) still gets hits!
 
Bruno was right when he said America loves train wrecks and disasters and Kate is both! I bet the cast and behind the scenes dread dealing with Kate again. She is just bad energy.
We have been at Disney since last Friday. So glad we didn't run into the Gosselin's!
 
I feel so sorry for the kids, having to come home by themselves. And when you think about it, they have never been on a true vacation, one without the cameras and without someone else telling them when they're going and what they're doing. That would drive me crazy. That's one reason we won't go on a cruise, I can't tell the captain when and where to steer the ship.:lmao:
 
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