Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread--Part 7

[disneymarie]

Laws prevent the ATV on the roadway, not Bikes though. Can't have a law for something not enforceable but on a roadway. Not a reason for Jon to have irresponsibility written across his face.

It has to be a totally irresponsible parent to put a kid on an ATV........
Especilly if they bought helmets for the training wheel bikes and not on for this. The machine has a huge amount of power and weight, it takes power, control and weight to manuvour them.

As I said though being there at the scene when kids are killed or critcally injured it is too late.

I can't even explain what it is like telling a parent their child did not make it in an ATV accident (or any tragedy), or know they are not feeling anything from the neck down, but pray all the way to the hospital that they get feeling back.

Now I see one young man in a wheel chair forever. Some others were not so lucky, they lost their life, some lost an eye from a tree branch.
It is a sick feeling and emotional one.

does he realize how fast a toddler moves to get in the way, or if mady was on it and got away from her tipped upward from power. They do not work well on black top drives, no traction as on dirt ways.
She could give too much power and hit one of the sup's!

Sorry to go on, but this man is a loose cannon pulling daddy power.
I hope the dang thing is sent back.

 

[torinsmom]

I'd have to rewind it, but I thought it said something about how it all ended. I'm sure someone else will have the correct wording. I think tonight would have been a good ending. Was it five seasons, or five years? They said five years tonight on the previews.

Well, they did start the specials when the six were a few months old, right? They were 5 in summer, so the first special would have been 5 years ago. The series went for 5 seasons.

Marsha

 

[madge]

You only need to wear a helmet if you are riding your bike on a PA road if your under 12. The kids are only playing in the driveway, it's not required.

I don't care what the law is. It's still dangerous and dumb, not to mention irresponsible. Especially when those children have been photographed many times with the bike helmet hanging from the handlebars.

 

[whitneyNC]

Well, they did start the specials when the six were a few months old, right? They were 5 in summer, so the first special would have been 5 years ago. The series went for 5 seasons.
Marsha

The series started when they had "two six year olds and six two year olds." They have done 5 "seasons" since 06 I think. Their seasons have lots of episodes compared to the industry standard, and little to no break in between. I'm not sure what constitutes a season. There were specials when the tups were infants or at least cruisers! It's hard to believe they have lived in 4 houses in 5.5 years.

 

[Gabes_mommy]

OK, I had to post this. I work at a college and I just saw a girl with a full-on Kate haircut. It was IDENTICAL to Kate's hair - longer in the front and spiky in the back and highlighted the same way. It scared me.

 

[kidshop]

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You only need to wear a helmet if you are riding your bike on a PA road if your under 12. The kids are only playing in the driveway, it's not required.



How does he watch the kids & ride the ATV at the same time.

I read the PA law and I do not remember anything about only being required on roads. Can't you fall and crack your head in a driveway?

 

[DMRick]

I read the PA law and I do not remember anything about only being required on roads.

In our area of NY, helmets are not required on private property. I do wonder though, if your children are injured, if at that time, you can be charged with neglect. I wasn't happy when the dogs chased him on his ATV, a lot less happy to see the kids doing it, who aren't as agile as the dogs were. One badly positioned rock, and they could fly right off, when riding with him.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I read the PA law and I do not remember anything about only being required on roads. Can't you fall and crack your head in a driveway?

Good thought, but I believe that private property MAY not be under jurisdiction.

I am not sure though.


Not saying it is right--but I had thought that bicycle laws were more like vehicular laws and thus it might not be applicable to private property. ETA: Just looked up the law and DOT of PA does consider a bicycle a vehicle--but I do not know if the DOT can do anything about enforcing transportation laws on private property.

And surely, the cops or CPS would have been knocking on their door if that were the case if they were breaking the law.

Clearly it is a safety issue, I'm just not certain if it is an issue of legality given they are on private property.

Bicycles are ridden on sidewalks or roads and her the helmet law for bikes applies to both in my state.

Lastly--ATV's aren't road safe anyway, isn't their very nature to be used on any terrain? So if there is a helmet law, it is applicable to wherever the vehicle is used, isn't it?

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

Jon will be on The Insider again tonight.

 

[daughtersrus]

OK, I had to post this. I work at a college and I just saw a girl with a full-on Kate haircut. It was IDENTICAL to Kate's hair - longer in the front and spiky in the back and highlighted the same way. It scared me.

I had to laugh at your post because we were out Friday night at Gordon Biersch and while I was in line at the bathroom, the lady in front of me had the same cut! It looked HORRIBLE! This was a lady that was at least in her mid-late 40's. When I came back to the table, my DH and our friends were laughing at the lady after she walked by our table.

 

[MAKmom]

I read the PA law and I do not remember anything about only being required on roads. Can't you fall and crack your head in a driveway?

I thought the helmet law is really part of the Pa Bicycle Law that governs the operation of Bikes on PA roads only.

Riding on the street is risky for kids but in your driveway your pretty safe IMO. You can't go too fast & you are not at risk of getting hit by a car that is passing you.

My kids rode their bikes with training wheels, & scooters around the island in my kitchen I think it is the same as the driveway.

I also think the helmet on little kids can cause them to not see as well.

These kids are jumping on & off the bikes they are not going on bike rides.

Yes you can fall & crack your head but they can also do that running.


http://www.dot.state.pa.us/BIKE/WEB/bikelaws.htm#

 

[Gabes_mommy]

I had to laugh at your post because we were out Friday night at Gordon Biersch and while I was in line at the bathroom, the lady in front of me had the same cut! It looked HORRIBLE! This was a lady that was at least in her mid-late 40's. When I came back to the table, my DH and our friends were laughing at the lady after she walked by our table.

Seriously! This girl was college age and I can't imagine her peers thinking this cut looks good. So weird.

 

[kidshop]

I thought the helmet law is really part of the Pa Bicycle Law that governs the operation of Bikes on PA roads only.

Riding on the street is risky for kids but in your driveway your pretty safe IMO. You can't go too fast & you are not at risk of getting hit by a car that is passing you.

My kids rode their bikes with training wheels, & scooters around the island in my kitchen I think it is the same as the driveway.

I also think the helmet on little kids can cause them to not see as well.

These kids are jumping on & off the bikes they are not going on bike rides.


Yes you can fall & crack your head but they can also do that running.


http://www.dot.state.pa.us/BIKE/WEB/bikelaws.htm#

This one is geared toward kids, no mention of road only, though I suppose unless it specifically states 'at all times you are on a bike' people come up with their own interpretation.

My dd rides her scooter (no helmet) around my kitchen all the time! However, I find it best to insist on the helmet use from the earliest age as it just becomes habit and natural for them. I also make other kids in my care wear helmets if they would like to use the equipment in my presence. These kids who never wear helmets any other time just go and get one in my garage when they come over!

For the littlest kids it may not be all about safety, but about forming habits. You have to get used to that hot sweaty helmet sometime! Preferably before your dad takes you out on the ATV!

http://nova.pasenategop.com/brochures/bike-helmet-adult.pdf

 

[OhMari]

I've posted on the 4-wheel thing a few times.
I still don't know how Jon was able to get Kara her own 4-wheeler.
It is against the law. Apparently, the business took the cash, or ignored the law. I have a hard time believing that the business didn't know about the law, because PA is a state that has numerous ATV and moto-cross tracks and many pro-riders are from PA.

The government has banned many child-sized ATV’s and motorcycles because they contain lead. Some of the internal parts, like valve stems on tires, aluminum in some brake components and terminals on batteries, contain more lead than legally allowed for children under 12 years old. The federal law just went into action February 1, 2009. Some businesses has no idea, but others were fully aware and pulled the vehicles from the showroom floors.

The estimated cost to the industry is $100 million.

Anderson Motorsports says they’ve had to turn customers away, and the motorcycle council says that’s where the potential danger lies. They say, if children can’t drive the small, size-appropriate ATV’s, they will be driving something bigger.

The Motorcycle Industry Council says it has scientific evidence to prove that those lead-containing parts on ATV’s pose no risk of increasing lead levels in children 12 and younger. They are trying to get an exclusion to this law.

 

[madge]

Riding on the street is risky for kids but in your driveway your pretty safe IMO. You can't go too fast & you are not at risk of getting hit by a car that is passing you.

I couldn't disagree more. cars are only one danger when bike riding.

if a child's helmet is fitted properly, seeing shouldn't be a problem.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I've posted on the 4-wheel thing a few times.
I still don't know how Jon was able to get Kara her own 4-wheeler.
It is against the law. Apparently, the business took the cash, or ignored the law. I have a hard time believing that the business didn't know about the law, because PA is a state that has numerous ATV and moto-cross tracks and many pro-riders are from PA.

I gotta come out and say it.

Here I thought the law was all about safety and kids killing themselves by wrecking the things--and the only reason it is banned is b/c of LEAD????


OMG!!!

It took lead for it to be banned? NEver mind that a young person shouldn't be riding heavy machinery, wreck it and die a painful death.

Not trying to mock lead, but that is the most ridiculous safety law I have seen as I anticipated that it had to do with it being a motor vehicle and not b/c of the lead.

I'm sorry--but that law is dumb.

 

[DMRick]

Is this a federal law? If so, I don't think our two local ATV places know about this. They have the big and small ones all lined up outside of their shops, for sale. We know people on farms that have the smaller ones for the kdis as well as the bigger ones (and everyone wear's a helmet).
Edited to add, that must be just a local law, I see they are for sale all over, and unless this is a really old article, it talkes about them:

http://4wheeldrive.about.com/od/atvbuyersguide/a/atv_type_youth.htm

Not to minimize that those kids should be wearing helmets and shouldn't be on with Jon, unless it's meant for two people.

I've posted on the 4-wheel thing a few times.
I still don't know how Jon was able to get Kara her own 4-wheeler.
It is against the law. Apparently, the business took the cash, or ignored the law. I have a hard time believing that the business didn't know about the law, because PA is a state that has numerous ATV and moto-cross tracks and many pro-riders are from PA.

 

[OhMari]

I gotta come out and say it.

Here I thought the law was all about safety and kids killing themselves by wrecking the things--and the only reason it is banned is b/c of LEAD????


OMG!!!

It took lead for it to be banned? NEver mind that a young person shouldn't be riding heavy machinery, wreck it and die a painful death.

Not trying to mock lead, but that is the most ridiculous safety law I have seen as I anticipated that it had to do with it being a motor vehicle and not b/c of the lead.

I'm sorry--but that law is dumb.

It's killing the moto-cross industry. It's sad, because it's something that keeps kids out of trouble and it is really a family sport. It is dumb, a kid doesn't even get near the spark plug, that dad is the one that changes the spark plug.

Is this a federal law? If so, I don't think our two local ATV places know about this. They have the big and small ones all lined up outside of their shops, for sale. We know people on farms that have the smaller ones for the kdis as well as the bigger ones (and everyone wear's a helmet). Edited to add, that must be just a local law, I see they are for sale all over, and unless this is a really old article, it talkes about them:

http://4wheeldrive.about.com/od/atvbuyersguide/a/atv_type_youth.htm

Not to minimize that those kids should be wearing helmets and shouldn't be on with Jon, unless it's meant for two people.

Yes is it a law.

New Federal Lead Law Hits Youth ATVs
dshell » 19 March 2009 » In News »

A new federal law enacted in February by the Consumer Products Safety Commission (CPSC) has hit the youth motorcycle and all terrain vehicle market hard: The new law prevents the sale of all products for children ages 12 and under that contains lead over specified limits, included in that ban are some widely popular ATVs and bikes. The youth ATV category is the fastest-growing ATV sales segment.

The new regulations will apply to all current inventories, future production at the commercial level, accessories and replacement and aftermarket parts

I'm sure retailers are going to take the risk and try selling their inventory. But I"m sure the CPS is going to make an example out of some dealership. Maybe they will get wind of Jon that purchased his from a dealership. Unless he can prove he bought it second hand from a private party.

 

[MAKmom]

This one is geared toward kids, no mention of road only, though I suppose unless it specifically states 'at all times you are on a bike' people come up with their own interpretation.

My dd rides her scooter (no helmet) around my kitchen all the time! However, I find it best to insist on the helmet use from the earliest age as it just becomes habit and natural for them. I also make other kids in my care wear helmets if they would like to use the equipment in my presence. These kids who never wear helmets any other time just go and get one in my garage when they come over!

For the littlest kids it may not be all about safety, but about forming habits. You have to get used to that hot sweaty helmet sometime! Preferably before your dad takes you out on the ATV!

http://nova.pasenategop.com/brochures/bike-helmet-adult.pdf

Title 75 of the Pennsylvania Consolidated Statutes contains the laws which govern the operation of vehicles on Pennsylvania roads.

It does mention roads on the first line.

I understand the habit theory some people have but when they are over12 most kids ditch the helmet.

 

[DMRick]

Yes is it a law.
I'm sure retailers are going to take the risk and try selling their inventory. But I"m sure the CPS is going to make an example out of some dealership. Maybe they will get wind of Jon that purchased his from a dealership. Unless he can prove he bought it second hand from a private party.

Ah..the lead law, that's what you are talking about. That hits all products for children under the age of 12. At one time there was a very lenghty post here on the Dis by those of us selling craft type products on line. My products are also under that law (although for my type of product, the date was extended to next February and may prob be extended again). Now I know what you are talking about. Actually, once we have a product tested, it can go back on the market if the lead is low enough. Most items have gone back on the market already. Older items, such as cribs, some used clothing, most toys have been pulled. Other items are being tested. It's not cheap to get them tested, but if the amount of lead is low enough, the item can be put back on the market. So if the items on the ATV's have been tested, (and I'm sure big places like Honda, etc) has done that or will by the actual deadline) they can be sold. This came about because of all the lead in products from China. It's going to raise the prices of everything, because the testing is not inexpensve. No one is excluding..not stores that sell used items, Target, Walmart, etc, Everyone is hit with this new law.