Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread--Part 7

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I'm fosterting two black kittens right now. Both are positive for FIV so I need to find a home for them with no other cats. Anyone in the Albany, NY area that wants to adopt two very sweet kittens with special needs, just let me know!

We had a kitty with FIV. We had other kitties in the house and our vet said it wasn't an issue (but I don't remember why).

However--in the end, he had to be put down. He would not remain housebound as much as we tried and he constantly escaped. (HE was very stealth.) HE ended up with a bite wound that would not heal despite high doses of antibiotics after basic ones failed. The paw would heal, but as soon as his meds stopped, it would reinfect. WE tried to behaviorally modify the kitty with some type of thing that would calm him.

It was pretty sad. This was all under vet advice and in the end due to an unhealing paw and the fact that he couldn't be kept in the house and was a danger to neighborhood kitties -- he was put down.

Very sad.

So no more FIV kitties for me.

We didn't know this one was FIV. Someone was handing out free kittens at walmart and we foolishly accepted. Never doing that again either.

 

[DMRick]

Nice vet, that said it was no danger to your other kittens. What was he thinking? Many rescue groups put them down if they are positive as do almost all shelters, but we feel we can get a home without other cats.

Yes, the infected foot that kept getting reinfected would be a real sign of FIV. Usually they are good til over 5-6 years, but after that you want to try to keep them disease/infection free, since their organs and body can't take it if they get ill/infected from anything.

These kittens are just darling. Everyone adopting from us agrees to keep their cats indoors and of course with these guys it's even more important, for them and other cats.

By the way, our sayng is, there is no such thing as a free cat LOL. We charge $80 and that includes s/n, advantage, ivermectin, rabies vacc and a check up. In this case it will include a FIV recheck, just on the often found chance it was just antibodies from the mom being shed. Often the kittens that test posi are not. But we have to adopt them assuming they are.

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We had a kitty with FIV. We had other kitties in the house and our vet said it wasn't an issue (but I don't remember why).

However--in the end, he had to be put down. He would not remain housebound as much as we tried and he constantly escaped. (HE was very stealth.) HE ended up with a bite wound that would not heal despite high doses of antibiotics after basic ones failed. The paw would heal, but as soon as his meds stopped, it would reinfect. WE tried to behaviorally modify the kitty with some type of thing that would calm him.

It was pretty sad. This was all under vet advice and in the end due to an unhealing paw and the fact that he couldn't be kept in the house and was a danger to neighborhood kitties -- he was put down.

Very sad.

So no more FIV kitties for me.

We didn't know this one was FIV. Someone was handing out free kittens at walmart and we foolishly accepted. Never doing that again either.

 

[C.Ann]

Back to the topic of this thread, anyone know what TLC is going to put in place of Jon & Kate Plus 8 after they finish up with these last ditch efforts to keep people interested?

The last I saw, their schedule of these shows are ending prior to the court date - which may determine if the kids can be filmed again - so will they put something else in that time slot, or just keep doing re-runs to keep Kate out there in case they are allowed to do the "Kate Plus 8" show?

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Nice vet, that said it was no danger to your other kittens. What was he thinking?

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These kittens are just darling. Everyone adopting from us agrees to keep their cats indoors and of course with these guys it's even more important, for them and other cats.

By the way, our sayng is, there is no such thing as a free cat LOL. We charge $80 and that includes s/n, advantage, ivermectin, rabies vacc and a check up. In this case it will include a FIV recheck, just on the often found chance it was just antibodies from the mom being shed. Often the kittens that test posi are not. But we have to adopt them assuming they are.

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We were trying--this little brat cat was just escaping and we tried what we could to keep him in. It just did not work out. He was not intended to be an outdoor cat at all.

By Free--I meant we didn't pay to acquire him, he was taken to the vet within the next weke for all his kitty stuff.

As far as the cat with other cats.

I don't know--he just said it was okay and it was.

Did some googling and found an organizaiton that specializes in FIV cats. It seems it is a myth that an FIV/+ and an FIV/- feline cannot cohabitate:



http://www.langefoundation.com/index/FIV_Cats.html

Sadly, there are a lot of myths and misconceptions that surround FIV and the cats that have it. Hopefully by dispelling these myths, we can encourage folks to consider adopting or fostering an FIV+ cat.





A few common FIV untruths:


FIV+ cats are highly contagious and they cannot live in a home with FIV- cats.


FIV+ cats are doomed to live short and unhealthy lives.


FIV+ cats aren't worth the effort, they are just going to spend their entire lives sick.

The Truth about FIV:





FIV is transferred only by saliva to blood or blood to blood contact. What that means is sharing a litter box, food bowl, minor scuffles or grooming each other, does not pass FIV from one cat to another. A significant puncture wound or multiple wounds would have to occur for an infected cat to transfer FIV to an uninfected cat. This type of fight is pretty rare--almost unheard of-- amongst spay/neutered cats living in a home or kennel environment.

Our cat was put down due to his danger to other cats that people let live outside of their homes b/c of his behavioral issue and need to escape.

They are fairly safe in a normal home environment otherwise.

Some other links that dispel the rumour:
http://www.bestfriends.org/theanimals/petcare/cats_FIV.cfm
http://www.heartforanimals.org/fiv_facts.php3

IT should be noted that we put him down about 2 years ago and none of my cats have tested FIV positive since that time. (I don't think they are tested any longer though.)


I can see why you would take the safe route--but evidently, my vet isn't totally bonkers for approving the living arrangement.

 

[DMRick]

Sorry, this thread often goes off topic and most of us haven't minded at all. I think we needed some lighter stuff to talk about today. YMMV.

Did some googling and found an organizaiton that specializes in FIV cats. It seems it is a myth that an FIV/+ and an FIV/- feline cannot cohabitate:


http://www.langefoundation.com/index/FIV_Cats.htmlvibes

I've been in this business for over 25 years, and it's not our choice, from experience. It is certainly not a myth as you stated, This site you sent says:

'FIV is transferred only by saliva to blood or blood to blood contact. What that means is sharing a litter box, food bowl, minor scuffles or grooming each other, does not pass FIV from one cat to another. A significant puncture wound or multiple wounds would have to occur for an infected cat to transfer FIV to an uninfected cat. This type of fight is pretty rare--almost unheard of-- amongst spay/neutered cats living in a home or kennel environment."

What they say is correct..however, these are kittens, and play is their middle name. They do bite and get in more than minor scuffles. a significant puncture wound is in the eye of the beholder, and why take a chance? We've had other kittens test positive and not a sign of a mark on them. I have never heard a vet say that it's just fine for them to cohabitate, and that is not the choice when this has been discussed at many seminars I have attended. but obviously you have a vet willing to take a chance. You are taking a chance however..and it's not one we want to risk. If someone is kind enough to adopt these babies and give them a forever home, we want to do our best to make sure they don't infect a cat in the home they are going too. Most FIV cats do well for a half dozen years..much, much longer as long as they stay healthy. This is not our groups first batch..and we've done a lot of studying on it. We are one of the few groups in the area that does not put them down when they test positive.
That said, as we certainly see in this thread, you can find anything you want on the net..to support opinions both ways. However, we like to (and will continue to) err on the side of caution, and between the four of us that have vet/vet tech experience in our group, we bring over 100 years of experience, not counting all the others who have various amount of experience. Most rescue groups will not place a FIV positive cat with another cat..we simply won't take the chance.
I won't argue back and forth this with you, because this isn't the place, but you'll have to trust we truly do the best for our cats and our future adopters. And for us, that includes not adopting out FIV positives cats to someone with another cat in the home.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Sorry, this thread often goes off topic and most of us haven't minded at all. I think we needed some lighter stuff to talk about today. YMMV.



I've been in this business for over 25 years, and it's not our choice, from experience. It is certainly not a myth as you stated, This site you sent says:

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I won't argue back and forth this with you, because this isn't the place, but you'll have to trust we truly do the best for our cats and our future adopters. And for us, that includes not adopting out FIV positives cats to someone with another cat in the home.

Wow, Doris!

I wasn't trying to argue--I simply was defending my vet who has a lot of experience and speicalizes in cats.

I also wasn't trying to encourage you to adopt out to a family that has FIV/- cats either. I'm sorry if you got that from my post.

that's a shame that you took my post as an argument when that isn't what was intended.

 

[DMRick]

There are some things I feel very strongly about..and that would be the health and welfare of my fosters and other people's cats. This is something I really do know a lot about (unlike J & K where I just think I have figured it out, and wham, something else happens). Not meaning to be snippy, but mixing postive and negative cats is something that I wish no vet would advocate..because we often end up with the end result, or a cat does.

OK, I'm ready to move on

C.Ann, I had originally read that table of 12 was replacing it in that time slot, but if you go to TLC it looks like they are on Tuesday. So I'm thinking it will be reruns after all.

Wow, Doris!

I wasn't trying to argue--I simply was defending my vet who has a lot of experience and speicalizes in cats.

I also wasn't trying to encourage you to adopt out to a family that has FIV/- cats either. I'm sorry if you got that from my post.

that's a shame that you took my post as an argument when that isn't what was intended.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

There are some things I feel very strongly about..and that would be the health and welfare of my fosters and other people's cats. This is something I really do know a lot about (unlike J & K where I just think I have figured it out, and wham, something else happens). Not meaning to be snippy, but mixing postive and negative cats is something that I wish no vet would advocate..because we often end up with the end result, or a cat does.

Hmmm...I wonder if you thought I got it from a rescue group as I am not sure.

I got the cat from 2 littel girls whose parents left them at wal-mart to unload their unwanted kittens.

The cat had lived in our home for a bit before it got the FIV test, I would imagine. I don't remember specific dates or anything.

The vet wasn't advocating that we keep it--was just saying that it wasn't necessary to offload it or euthanize it for that reason.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

C.Ann, I had originally read that table of 12 was replacing it in that time slot, but if you go to TLC it looks like they are on Tuesday. So I'm thinking it will be reruns after all.

Aren't they starting this Tuesday?

If so--mabye they will change it to the Monday slot after Thanksgiving ?

 

[madge]

Jon is suing TLC ... http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/11/exclusive-jon-gosselin-will-sue-tlc

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Jon is suing TLC ... http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/11/exclusive-jon-gosselin-will-sue-tlc

Countersuits are normal.

Not sure if they will be successful. I'd be curious as to their argument to support their position.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

Oh my, Nana Janet passed away. She used to help out with the Gosselin kids. I remember seeing her on the show. How sad.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/10/woman-who-took-care-gosselin-kids-dies

 

[madge]

I'd be curious as to their argument to support their position.

no doubt it will be online soon.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

Jon is suing TLC ... http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/11/exclusive-jon-gosselin-will-sue-tlc

My favorite part of this is when they say 'Jon and his team of Heller's'!

Serioulsy though, I am very curious to know what this suit is alledging. Where did Jon and his creepy lawyer come up with $5 million? I'm sure you're right Madge, that soon radaronline will have a pdf file up on its website with all the details of the lawsuit.

 

[kidshop]

Jon is suing TLC ... http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/11/exclusive-jon-gosselin-will-sue-tlc

So the Hellers ARE his lawyers?! How can your own lawyer be called as a witness against you? And how can you have a lawyer who can't represent you? (or is this different from all the divorce and arbitration stuff?)

As long as he doesn't represent himself, he may have a chance.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

So the Hellers ARE his lawyers?! How can your own lawyer be called as a witness against you? And how can you have a lawyer who can't represent you? (or is this different from all the divorce and arbitration stuff?)

As long as he doesn't represent himself, he may have a chance.

I asked a similar question earlier, but differently.

Jon (implied or stated) that he went under the advice of his attorney to violate his contract.

Would that be a just reason to depose an attorney?

He can decline under attorney/client privilege, but if Jon were to say "my attorney said it was okay" as his defense (for example), that is hearsay and hearsay usually is not admissable. And Jon can't speak for his attorney who is available to speak for himself, right? (inquiry--I'm not really debating, just trying to sort through why they are deposing him.)

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I think folks were mentioning this lawsuit is in MD as that is where HQ for TLC is or something. I'm also wondering if there is an open records law.

Folks get all in a snit down here b/c of all the info being released on the Casey Anthony Case, but we have sunshine laws and public record is public record and something like all evidence or something has to be released before trial. So we can (if we chose) read miles and miles and miles of legalize pertaining to the case. People like to blame the prosecution (including the defense team whose legal training at times seem to match mine ), but they are doing what the law requires.

Does anyone know if MD has a similar law?

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

My favorite part of this is when they say 'Jon and his team of Heller's'!

Serioulsy though, I am very curious to know what this suit is alledging. Where did Jon and his creepy lawyer come up with $5 million? I'm sure you're right Madge, that soon radaronline will have a pdf file up on its website with all the details of the lawsuit.

That seems like a lot.

I wonder too how they came up with that figure. (I.e. how was Jon "damaged" by lack of representation that prohibited him from acting like a fool? (one portion of the lawsuit against him)

 

[C.Ann]

Jon is suing TLC ... http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/11/exclusive-jon-gosselin-will-sue-tlc

Thanks for getting the thread back on track again and fulfilling your obligation to ferret out every link you can.. LOL..

Sorry, this thread often goes off topic and most of us haven't minded at all. I think we needed some lighter stuff to talk about today. YMMV.



I've been in this business for over 25 years, and it's not our choice, from experience. It is certainly not a myth as you stated, This site you sent says:

'FIV is transferred only by saliva to blood or blood to blood contact. What that means is sharing a litter box, food bowl, minor scuffles or grooming each other, does not pass FIV from one cat to another. A significant puncture wound or multiple wounds would have to occur for an infected cat to transfer FIV to an uninfected cat. This type of fight is pretty rare--almost unheard of-- amongst spay/neutered cats living in a home or kennel environment."

What they say is correct..however, these are kittens, and play is their middle name. They do bite and get in more than minor scuffles. a significant puncture wound is in the eye of the beholder, and why take a chance? We've had other kittens test positive and not a sign of a mark on them. I have never heard a vet say that it's just fine for them to cohabitate, and that is not the choice when this has been discussed at many seminars I have attended. but obviously you have a vet willing to take a chance. You are taking a chance however..and it's not one we want to risk. If someone is kind enough to adopt these babies and give them a forever home, we want to do our best to make sure they don't infect a cat in the home they are going too. Most FIV cats do well for a half dozen years..much, much longer as long as they stay healthy. This is not our groups first batch..and we've done a lot of studying on it. We are one of the few groups in the area that does not put them down when they test positive.
That said, as we certainly see in this thread, you can find anything you want on the net..to support opinions both ways. However, we like to (and will continue to) err on the side of caution, and between the four of us that have vet/vet tech experience in our group, we bring over 100 years of experience, not counting all the others who have various amount of experience. Most rescue groups will not place a FIV positive cat with another cat..we simply won't take the chance.
I won't argue back and forth this with you, because this isn't the place, but you'll have to trust we truly do the best for our cats and our future adopters. And for us, that includes not adopting out FIV positives cats to someone with another cat in the home.

There are some things I feel very strongly about..and that would be the health and welfare of my fosters and other people's cats. This is something I really do know a lot about (unlike J & K where I just think I have figured it out, and wham, something else happens). Not meaning to be snippy, but mixing postive and negative cats is something that I wish no vet would advocate..because we often end up with the end result, or a cat does.

OK, I'm ready to move on

C.Ann, I had originally read that table of 12 was replacing it in that time slot, but if you go to TLC it looks like they are on Tuesday. So I'm thinking it will be reruns after all.

Cats and kittens are wonderful.. Adorable photos.. But I think this thread could be shut down for going so far off topic.. I'm sure a thread devoted solely to that would be appreciated on the CB as there are many, many cat lovers here.. Some of the ones I have seen in signatures are just adorable!!

I don't watch Table For 12 - didn't even realize it was on TLC.. I was hoping it would be something more interesting - and I sure as heck hope it's not re-runs of J&K Plus 8.. I think we've all seen them a gazillion times - even when we've tried to avoid them.. Pick any day of the week, and at one time or another, there they are.. Ugh.. Enough..

 

[DMRick]

Jon is suing TLC ... http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/11/exclusive-jon-gosselin-will-sue-tlc

It appears from what I'm reading there, that he hasn't filed yet but that he is going to. Maybe he told them they have an hour to quit their lawsuit, or he'll file against them

Bet they are running scared

Well, I hope if he wins, that TLC will have to pay the court costs. This could be even more expensive. He'd be better off taking advice from any one of us here, instead of who he listens to.

On anther subject of J & K, I said something to someone at an adoption clinic about our return policy yesterday, and she said, I wonder if J & K had the same return policy with their dogs and that's how come they returned them. We both laughed a bit, (like souls and all that stuff, since we were the only ones who know what we were talking about) and then she said that she and her friends think this is a way to get publicity and that J & K will prob go back together. I don't happen to agree, but thought it was funny.

 

[DMRick]

Cats and kittens are wonderful.. Adorable photos.. But I think this thread could be shut down for going so far off topic.. I'm sure a thread devoted solely to that would be appreciated on the CB as there are many, many cat lovers here.. Some of the ones I have seen in signatures are just adorable!!

Sorry, I don't agree. It's been said in the past that this thread is not like a lot of others. We have often gone off track for a bit (and sometimes we've needed it). It's not like there were 6000 postings about the swine flu or whatever.

If this thread is shut down, I think most would agree, it wouldn't be because of a half dozen posts about cats.

I think we'll a mod let us know if 4 threads about a cat will get us closed down. A break sometimes is not a bad thing on this thread. Never has been.