Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread--Part 7

[walden]

I asked a similar question earlier, but differently.

Jon (implied or stated) that he went under the advice of his attorney to violate his contract.

Would that be a just reason to depose an attorney?

He can decline under attorney/client privilege, but if Jon were to say "my attorney said it was okay" as his defense (for example), that is hearsay and hearsay usually is not admissable. And Jon can't speak for his attorney who is available to speak for himself, right? (inquiry--I'm not really debating, just trying to sort through why they are deposing him.)

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I think folks were mentioning this lawsuit is in MD as that is where HQ for TLC is or something. I'm also wondering if there is an open records law.

Folks get all in a snit down here b/c of all the info being released on the Casey Anthony Case, but we have sunshine laws and public record is public record and something like all evidence or something has to be released before trial. So we can (if we chose) read miles and miles and miles of legalize pertaining to the case. People like to blame the prosecution (including the defense team whose legal training at times seem to match mine ), but they are doing what the law requires.

Does anyone know if MD has a similar law?

Goodness only knows! My gut feeling: all of the above stuff in the headlines is lawyer-speak.

I'm not a lawyer, and I don't think it matters what our non-lawyer opinions are any more, All of this is now in the court systems of PA (the divorce and possible violation of child labor laws) and Maryland (the alleged breach of contract and Jon's countersuit.)

I'm hoping that most of this will be settled out of court. For the protection of the children.

I just hope that the children ARE protected as far as possible. General you, YMMV.

 

[DMRick]

OK..don't fall over. I agree. It is still interesting to suppose of course...but it will be up to the courts. I too hope they have a settlement.

Goodness only knows! My gut feeling: all of the above stuff in the headlines is lawyer-speak.

I'm not a lawyer, and I don't think it matters what our non-lawyer opinions are any more, All of this is now in the court systems of PA (the divorce and possible violation of child labor laws) and Maryland (the alleged breach of contract and Jon's countersuit.)

I'm hoping that most of this will be settled out of court. For the protection of the children.

I just hope that the children ARE protected as far as possible. General you, YMMV.

 

[C.Ann]

Sorry, I don't agree. It's been said in the past that this thread is not like a lot of others. We have often gone off track for a bit (and sometimes we've needed it). It's not like there were 6000 postings about the swine flu or whatever.

If this thread is shut down, I think most would agree, it wouldn't be because of a half dozen posts about cats.

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I'm sorry.. I believe you misunderstood what I was trying to point out.. Since this is a topic that you are genuinely passionate about, I was simply suggesting that you start a new thread on the CB where you could voice your concerns and share your expertise regarding kittens and cats.. A new thread where cat lovers could actually find these posts and possibly learn from them.. Now if Jon and/or Kate suddenly announced they have just adopted some kittens, this would definitely be the place to discuss it.. LOL..

There have been threads shut down in the past for going off topic - whether it was 6 posts or 12 posts - and the one thing we're all in agreement about is that we would prefer that this thread not be shut down.. So if we all can stay on topic and play nice, we won't have to worry about doing all of those other things we "should" be doing when we're actually posting here instead.. Like I "should" be doing some packing right now..

Goodness only knows! My gut feeling: all of the above stuff in the headlines is lawyer-speak.

I'm not a lawyer, and I don't think it matters what our non-lawyer opinions are any more, All of this is now in the court systems of PA (the divorce and possible violation of child labor laws) and Maryland (the alleged breach of contract and Jon's countersuit.)

I'm hoping that most of this will be settled out of court. For the protection of the children.

I just hope that the children ARE protected as far as possible. General you, YMMV.

I couldn't agree more.. I would hate to see the kids dragged those endless months of all this nonsense, more headlines, more whispers among their friends, etc., etc..

When push comes to shove, I still think that TLC is leaking information as a scare tactic to try to get Jon to cave and say he will allow the filming of his children once again.. If he does cave, you'll hear me screaming all the way from up here!!!!!

 

[DMRick]

I'm sorry.. I believe you misunderstood what I was trying to point out.. Since this is a topic that you are genuinely passionate about, I was simply suggesting that you start a new thread on the CB where you could voice your concerns and share your expertise regarding kittens and cats.. A new thread where cat lovers could actually find these posts and possibly learn from them.. Now if Jon and/or Kate suddenly announced they have just adopted some kittens, this would definitely be the place to discuss it.. LOL..

I didn't misunderstand you at all. I know just what you were saying. As I said, I disagree. If you have something further to say to me, please take it to PM, so this thread doesn't get closed. I have no interest in having a thread about FIV. What I am passionate about is cat rescue. Most on the Dis that know me, already know that. Someone asked me a question, I answered and told about my new fosters. Many of us have talked about our real lives. There a few posts about it, no biggy. It was a very short waylay that we may have needed at the moment. Please don't make it more than it was.
We have, as I've said gone off topic often. That isn't what will get this thread closed down (IMO), I think it's pretty safe to say.

 

[C.Ann]

If you have something further to say to me, please take it to PM.

No thanks..

My favorite part of this is when they say 'Jon and his team of Heller's'!

Serioulsy though, I am very curious to know what this suit is alledging. Where did Jon and his creepy lawyer come up with $5 million? I'm sure you're right Madge, that soon radaronline will have a pdf file up on its website with all the details of the lawsuit.

'Jon and his team of Heller's' - oh my!! That doesn't sound good, does it?
I think I would be finding new lawyers just based on their names alone!

 

[3prettyprincesses]

Looks like Jon and Levi will be on The Insider together.

http://www.examiner.com/x-11363-Dal...8-Jon-Gosselin-ramps-up-for-new-TV-appearance

I'm trying to figure out what they could even contribute.

 

[C.Ann]

Looks like Jon and Levi will be on The Insider together.

http://www.examiner.com/x-11363-Dal...8-Jon-Gosselin-ramps-up-for-new-TV-appearance

I'm trying to figure out what they could even contribute.

Who the heck is "Levi" and what does he have anything to do with this mess?

 

[disneymarie]

Jon is suing TLC ... http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/11/exclusive-jon-gosselin-will-sue-tlc

Okay, I am flippin, was he seen operating that ATV with the kids on it?

There is no way safety issues you can take little kids as passengers on those beast.

As a retired law enforcement and first responder, I have seen kids paralyzed, killed, branches and objects in the eyes....

There has to be something for putting the kids in danger on that thing. Even the operator should have a helmet on when using it at speeds like Jon rides his motorcycles.

There is no way as a parent I would allow this risk!!!!!!!!

As far as deposing, everything is fair game, even hearsay,. BUT attorney client privalage can not be broken. What YOU discuss with your attorney is confidential.

When deposing the attorneys can object, then you give your truthful response, there is a Judge that rule on the objection at a latter time with arguments. Then that will decide if it is relevent or will be ruled out.

When I went through recent depositions TONS of stuff was objected to, but I would give my answer if I knew or had one. If I did not have knowledge then I couldn't.....but if I knew second hand someone mentioned something to me, that was admisable for my response.

BUT NOTHING my attorney and I discussed, why I brought the case, how I questioned items to my attorney, or discussed them, could be asked.

Reducing the Risk of ATV Injury (Penn State Study, DCNR material)

To reduce the risk of injury or fatality while operating an ATV keep these points in mind:

ATVs are not toys; manufacturers suggest children under the age of 2 should not operate ATVs with engine sizes over 70 cc.
Children under the age of 6 years often lack the emotional maturity and physical size to operate or control most machines. They should not operate adult-size ATVs (greater than 90cc engine).

Do not carry a passenger; the unique handling characteristics of the ATV require that the operator shift both weight and position on the seat to steer and control the vehicle. Extra riders hamper the operator’s ability to steer and control the ATV.

Since ATVs are small and low to the ground, they are not as visible as larger vehicles. Lights, reflectors, and highly visible flags should be used to increase visibility.

Never ride the ATV on public roads. ATVs are not designed for road use. Hard surfaces increase the risk of overturn.

Avoid using ATVs while alcohol or drugs are in the bloodstream. In nearly 1 0 percent of all injuries, and in 30 percent of all fatal ATV incidents, alcohol use was a contributing factor.

 

[DMRick]

It was sad watching the show tonight. I'm thinking this should have ended it..I didn't like what I saw in the previews for next weeks show.

I really thought TLC would show Kate in a better light tonight..but they seemed to really show what the viewers voted as the best and worse, etc. I was surprised that she still seemed to talk as if they were together, or at least that it's working out as good as it is with the kids. I'm convinced there must be some good parts of her and Jon, that doesn't get shown by the paps, in the switch off of custody. No tears tonight (except the happy ones when shown the kids older shows).

This is sad, that this is how it ended up

 

[madge]

Okay, I am flippin, was he seen operating that ATV with the kids on it?

There is no way safety issues you can take little kids as passengers on those beast.

safety has not been a priority for those children by either of their parents. Jon & the ATV is inexcusable. Both parents are lax with the bike helmets. It's VERY frustrating.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

safety has not been a priority for those children by either of their parents. Jon & the ATV is inexcusable. Both parents are lax with the bike helmets. It's VERY frustrating.

I just read something that said child safety advocates were furious about the ATV pics too. I'm off to find it...

ETA:

http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity...er-fire-for-letting-sextuplets-on-atv-2009911

and

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Jon-Gosselin-in-Violation-of-Safety-Regulations-126505.shtml

 

[madge]

It was sad watching the show tonight. I'm thinking this should have ended it..I didn't like what I saw in the previews for next weeks show.

I really thought TLC would show Kate in a better light tonight..but they seemed to really show what the viewers voted as the best and worse, etc. I was surprised that she still seemed to talk as if they were together, or at least that it's working out as good as it is with the kids. I'm convinced there must be some good parts of her and Jon, that doesn't get shown by the paps, in the switch off of custody. No tears tonight (except the happy ones when shown the kids older shows).

This is sad, that this is how it ended up

what is next week's show going to feature?

did Kate do the interview recently -- it was new for this show?

 

[C.Ann]

safety has not been a priority for those children by either of their parents. Jon & the ATV is inexcusable. Both parents are lax with the bike helmets. It's VERY frustrating.

I suppose photos of both could be used in court if necessary, right? Of course I would rather not see the issue of the kids and custody ever reach the courts.. Hopefully these two parents will do what is in the best interests of their children for a change and work out the custody issues without leaving it up to a judge to have the final say..

 

[DMRick]

what is next week's show going to feature?

did Kate do the interview recently -- it was new for this show?

I'd have to rewind it, but I thought it said something about how it all ended. I'm sure someone else will have the correct wording. I think tonight would have been a good ending. Was it five seasons, or five years? They said five years tonight on the previews.

 

[madge]

I'd have to rewind it, but I thought it said something about how it all ended. I'm sure someone else will have the correct wording. I think tonight would have been a good ending. Was it five seasons, or five years? They said five years tonight on the previews.

seasons. it's been 5 seasons. In the court papers, it has the dates. and I think (without going back to check) it said the show started in April 2007.

 

[DMRick]

what is next week's show going to feature?

did Kate do the interview recently -- it was new for this show?

Yes, it appeared to be new for the show. She said she didn't know what the viewer picks were...and of course the 'bad' parts were her many meltdowns. She said she had no excuse for them etc etc


The good parts were very good and brought back nice memories.

 

[LoraJ]

Okay, I am flippin, was he seen operating that ATV with the kids on it?

There is no way safety issues you can take little kids as passengers on those beast.

As a retired law enforcement and first responder, I have seen kids paralyzed, killed, branches and objects in the eyes....

There has to be something for putting the kids in danger on that thing. Even the operator should have a helmet on when using it at speeds like Jon rides his motorcycles.

There is no way as a parent I would allow this risk!!!!!!!!

As far as deposing, everything is fair game, even hearsay,. BUT attorney client privalage can not be broken. What YOU discuss with your attorney is confidential.

When deposing the attorneys can object, then you give your truthful response, there is a Judge that rule on the objection at a latter time with arguments. Then that will decide if it is relevent or will be ruled out.

When I went through recent depositions TONS of stuff was objected to, but I would give my answer if I knew or had one. If I did not have knowledge then I couldn't.....but if I knew second hand someone mentioned something to me, that was admisable for my response.

BUT NOTHING my attorney and I discussed, why I brought the case, how I questioned items to my attorney, or discussed them, could be asked.

Reducing the Risk of ATV Injury (Penn State Study, DCNR material)

To reduce the risk of injury or fatality while operating an ATV keep these points in mind:

ATVs are not toys; manufacturers suggest children under the age of 2 should not operate ATVs with engine sizes over 70 cc.
Children under the age of 6 years often lack the emotional maturity and physical size to operate or control most machines. They should not operate adult-size ATVs (greater than 90cc engine).

Do not carry a passenger; the unique handling characteristics of the ATV require that the operator shift both weight and position on the seat to steer and control the vehicle. Extra riders hamper the operator’s ability to steer and control the ATV.

Since ATVs are small and low to the ground, they are not as visible as larger vehicles. Lights, reflectors, and highly visible flags should be used to increase visibility.

Never ride the ATV on public roads. ATVs are not designed for road use. Hard surfaces increase the risk of overturn.

Avoid using ATVs while alcohol or drugs are in the bloodstream. In nearly 1 0 percent of all injuries, and in 30 percent of all fatal ATV incidents, alcohol use was a contributing factor.

And also one of the kids was running around the ATV. That is so dangerous!!!!

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

Jon bought Cara a smaller ATV for her birthday and we saw pictures of it being delivered. Has anyone seen any pictures of her riding it?

 

[MAKmom]

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safety has not been a priority for those children by either of their parents. Jon & the ATV is inexcusable. Both parents are lax with the bike helmets. It's VERY frustrating.

You only need to wear a helmet if you are riding your bike on a PA road if your under 12. The kids are only playing in the driveway, it's not required.

And also one of the kids was running around the ATV. That is so dangerous!!!!

How does he watch the kids & ride the ATV at the same time.

 

[DMRick]

Why on this earth would the two of them be together?

This just gets weirder and weirder and weirder.

Looks like Jon and Levi will be on The Insider together.

http://www.examiner.com/x-11363-Dal...8-Jon-Gosselin-ramps-up-for-new-TV-appearance

I'm trying to figure out what they could even contribute.