Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread--Part 7

[C.Ann]

Well if you missed the Kate" interview, it's on TLC again right now.. Guess they're trying to get as much mileage out of this as they can..

 

[madge]

ratings for last night: 3.795 million

 

[redrosesix]

I do think you are right, that Kate is to blame for not getting along with so many people. She likes control. She did say she still speaks with her sister (did she say she doesn't judge her?), and emails her mom. Is it a good thing that it's her way or no way? Maybe not. But I have no way of knowing if it's because of the way she treats them, or she just wants control.

I have yet to have any idea of what happened to Beth. At one time it was said on this thread that Beth no longer wanted all the attention the show brought, and that she went back to school. I kept asking the interviewer to ask her about Beth last night, but she didn't seem to hear me.

The interviewer didn't hear me about a lot of things, but I was just happy I wasn't playing the drinking game -- I wouldn't have been able to get up this am.

I think there's a difference between people who do not have a lot of close relationships and somebody like Kate who it appears has had many close relationships eg. her parents -- who she felt comfortable leaving the twins with but IMO she wouldn't do that if she rarely spoke to them then, as well as other friends and nannies who were there all the time but are no longer around.

Tres bien...I think. It looks correct anyway.



I thought Jon's mom remarried and that wasn't so much cut off contact as she was unavailable? Correct me if I am wrong, but I didn't think that was a Kate directed relational cut off. I don't know though.

Jon said his mom didn't want to be on the show when he did the Utah interview, but when he did the interview with Chris Cuomo he said that Kate made him choose between spending time with his kids and spending time with his family. In both interviews, he said he talks to her on the phone every day.

And who is this person?

I thought I was keeping up--but I guess not.

It's really hard to say whether she's a nanny or a friend -- she was taking care of the kids this summer (she was shown on the show and at least one paparazzi photo). Back in thread 5 or 6 somebody posted a link to her facebook account and the photo albums showing the Gosselin kids were wide open (closed now though) There were pictures taken as far back as Easter, and Jamie Ayers commented on a picture of Kate as her bff.

 

[MAKmom]

Although many agree that Kate's attitude could stand some adjusting (and unless everyone from their families come forward with all the past that has gone on, together and they all share with us, including Kate, we'll never know the whole story of why who talks to who, and who doesn't), I happen to agree with the reasons Kate did not take the cribs. They were used cribs from people's attics. Some were quite old. When someone found out that Kate needed cribs, new ones were donated. That was much safer, IMO. The people in the church understood. I do not think that is why her dad and her had a disagreement, if in fact they did.

The thought of a used crib makes me ill. My child did horrible things to her crib...we even had it outside & tired to hose it down.

Well if you missed the Kate" interview, it's on TLC again right now.. Guess they're trying to get as much mileage out of this as they can..

I think they always replay Mondays show... I watch later in the week.

 

[mhsjax]

Although many agree that Kate's attitude could stand some adjusting (and unless everyone from their families come forward with all the past that has gone on, together and they all share with us, including Kate, we'll never know the whole story of why who talks to who, and who doesn't), I happen to agree with the reasons Kate did not take the cribs. They were used cribs from people's attics. Some were quite old. When someone found out that Kate needed cribs, new ones were donated. That was much safer, IMO. The people in the church understood. I do not think that is why her dad and her had a disagreement, if in fact they did.

Just wondering because you speak like you "know" for a fact that the people understood. How do you know for sure that this is what happened?

 

[DVCisME]

Did anyone think it was weird when they showed the picture/clip of the crew? The crew was the old crew, the one that is now with the Duggars.

 

[DreaGirl]

Did anyone think it was weird when they showed the picture/clip of the crew? The crew was the old crew, the one that is now with the Duggars.

I did notice that and I thought it was funny. It was so obvious to me at that point that TLC was editing this that it wasn't even funny. Also after Kate gave her speech about asking the crew to leave they showed a clip from Jon's birthday episode where the crew had to leave because Jon was coming home and they would ruin the surprise.

Nice try TLC.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

I thought that was Carla, not Beth. Carla was also shown babysitting, at the yard sale, and I think also was at the tups 5th birthday party. Carla has been described as a paid employee, but was supposedly a "friend of Kate" from way-back also.

Beth has only released one quite dignified statement to my knowledge (which is not exhaustive). She said something along the lines of "they lived it, I wrote it" on Multiple Blessings. That was after the publication of the book, when Kate was on her book tour and rather pointedly not mentioning Beth's co-authorship. Beth has been out of the picture and off-film since she left the Utah trip early. Jodi flew to Utah to help J&K + 8 home. Remember Jodi? She gave them a lot of time back then, but then it all went bad.

So, Carla, Kate's parents and her sisters have so far said nothing at all to the press. I would hope they are given the benefit of the doubt for respecting her privacy. She can't accuse them of betraying her. Oooh, perhaps Carla is # 6, if the Neilds are 1-4, and Jamie is #5.

Poor Kate. I find it a little strange that her family are not jumping to support her. I can only wonder why.

I always thought it was strange too that Carla is supposedly this longtime friend yet also a paid employee?

Beth is an artist now I believe. There's a link somewhere to a picture of her from last year I think. She was one of my favorites on the show.

As far as Kate's relationships with people, she does come across as controlling and demanding. I have no idea what really happened between her and her parents but I think it's extremely odd that they used to be in the twins lives and aren't anymore. Kate has said on the show that they they don't know how to help, whatever the heck that means.

I think there's a difference between people who do not have a lot of close relationships and somebody like Kate who it appears has had many close relationships eg. her parents -- who she felt comfortable leaving the twins with but IMO she wouldn't do that if she rarely spoke to them then, as well as other friends and nannies who were there all the time but are no longer around.

I agree with this. It is a very different thing. Kate seems to have lost people in her life and not just friends. Family. It's crazy to me. She and her brother Kevin used to be close but now because of the show they're not. I hope it was all worth it then, doing the show. Now her marriage is crap, her kids will probably be affected by their lack of privacy and her family is estranged from her. I really think Kate is going to regret some of these choices even though they gave her kids all of these 'life experiences'.

ETA: Here's the link to an article about Beth from about a year ago.

http://www.readingeagle.com/article.aspx?id=117302

 

[DreaGirl]

This is just weird!!

Episode: Nov. 16

Kate shares never before seen footage from the cutting room floor. The family decides to get passports for a big trip, Kate celebrates her 10th wedding anniversary with the kids, Jon tries to train the dogs and Kate hits the road for her book signing.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

This is just weird!!

Episode: Nov. 16

Kate shares never before seen footage from the cutting room floor. The family decides to get passports for a big trip, Kate celebrates her 10th wedding anniversary with the kids, Jon tries to train the dogs and Kate hits the road for her book signing.

It's all just garbage from the cutting room floor. TLC is doing their best to scrape together episodes at this point.

 

[DreaGirl]

It's all just garbage from the cutting room floor. TLC is doing their best to scrape together episodes at this point.

Yeah, I get that, but celebrating your 10th wedding anniversary WITH YOUR KIDS when you are going through a divorce? That isn't confusing at all.

 

[madge]

This is just weird!!

Episode: Nov. 16

Kate shares never before seen footage from the cutting room floor. The family decides to get passports for a big trip, Kate celebrates her 10th wedding anniversary with the kids, Jon tries to train the dogs and Kate hits the road for her book signing.

the Korea trip that didn't materialize, I'm guessing.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

Yeah, I get that, but celebrating your 10th wedding anniversary WITH YOUR KIDS when you are going through a divorce? That isn't confusing at all.

Oh my gosh! I read it wrong, I thought that was the vow renewal (which would be tacky to replay anyway). Kate celebrating her 10th anniversary alone? That is very very very bizarre. How is she going to explain that? 'Kids, remember in Hawaii when mommy said she and daddy would always be together? Well, in 2 weeks from our 10th anniversary I'm going to file for divorce and we're going to tape me celebrating it without daddy.' Ya, not confusing for the kids. Geez TLC, do you have any moral compass here? Why televise footage of a soon to be divorced mother of 8 celebrating her 10th anniversary alone? Oh wait, because they want to play the sympathy card and generate more interest in Kate to keep the show going.

 

[C.Ann]

I always thought it was strange too that Carla is supposedly this longtime friend yet also a paid employee?

Beth is an artist now I believe. There's a link somewhere to a picture of her from last year I think. She was one of my favorites on the show.

As far as Kate's relationships with people, she does come across as controlling and demanding. I have no idea what really happened between her and her parents but I think it's extremely odd that they used to be in the twins lives and aren't anymore. Kate has said on the show that they they don't know how to help, whatever the heck that means.



I agree with this. It is a very different thing. Kate seems to have lost people in her life and not just friends. Family. It's crazy to me. She and her brother Kevin used to be close but now because of the show they're not. I hope it was all worth it then, doing the show. Now her marriage is crap, her kids will probably be affected by their lack of privacy and her family is estranged from her. I really think Kate is going to regret some of these choices even though they gave her kids all of these 'life experiences'.

I also thought it was a bit strange that when asked about her childhood the first words out of her mouth were, "I was the forgotten child".. And then went on to say "the middle child and all that stuff".. Can't remember the exact birth order, but I don't think she was the middle child - just more of the same of how Kate sees things.. "Woe is me.."

If she has no one in her life, it's because she shoved them out..

 

[whitneyNC]

Although many agree that Kate's attitude could stand some adjusting (and unless everyone from their families come forward with all the past that has gone on, together and they all share with us, including Kate, we'll never know the whole story of why who talks to who, and who doesn't), I happen to agree with the reasons Kate did not take the cribs. They were used cribs from people's attics. Some were quite old. When someone found out that Kate needed cribs, new ones were donated. That was much safer, IMO. The people in the church understood. I do not think that is why her dad and her had a disagreement, if in fact they did.

How do you know the people of the church understood? Every account says their feelings were hurt, and her parents were embarrassed when the rallying church members were not shown appreciation. He's the minister right? It was more than cribs they turned down I have read. I am also curious what would lead you to believe that she may not have had a falling out with her dad. She's admitted it.

The most telling part (besides the silver platter statement; or was it gold??) last night was when Kate said the only sibling she was close to growing up was her little brother Kevin. They got along because he "took the blame for her misbehaviors, and even took her punishments." He was literally her whipping boy! One last thought, why does Kate keep referring to herself as a rule follower? I do not understand her numerous proclamations. During the Morales interview, she convaluted this more by saying how much trouble she stayed in as a kid. What?

 

[kidshop]

ratings for last night: 3.795 million

I like to see that! There's no way in heck I'm watching, but if others do, great! I hope kate is loving it...all her, all the time. See, everyone is happy and maybe she will even have money to buy food and take her deprived children on trips.

 

[redrosesix]

This is just weird!!

Episode: Nov. 16

Kate shares never before seen footage from the cutting room floor. The family decides to get passports for a big trip, Kate celebrates her 10th wedding anniversary with the kids, Jon tries to train the dogs and Kate hits the road for her book signing.

It's even weirder when it comes after the Viewer's Choice show -- I had thought that would be the last one. Obviously TLC plans to just keep going.

Oh my gosh! I read it wrong, I thought that was the vow renewal (which would be tacky to replay anyway). Kate celebrating her 10th anniversary alone? That is very very very bizarre. How is she going to explain that? 'Kids, remember in Hawaii when mommy said she and daddy would always be together? Well, in 2 weeks from our 10th anniversary I'm going to file for divorce and we're going to tape me celebrating it without daddy.' Ya, not confusing for the kids. Geez TLC, do you have any moral compass here? Why televise footage of a soon to be divorced mother of 8 celebrating her 10th anniversary alone? Oh wait, because they want to play the sympathy card and generate more interest in Kate to keep the show going.

Yes, very bizarre. Was TLC thinking maybe Kate wouldn't file for divorce, or was this all part of a planned show?

 

[emer95]

I always thought it was strange too that Carla is supposedly this longtime friend yet also a paid employee?

Beth is an artist now I believe. There's a link somewhere to a picture of her from last year I think. She was one of my favorites on the show.

As far as Kate's relationships with people, she does come across as controlling and demanding. I have no idea what really happened between her and her parents but I think it's extremely odd that they used to be in the twins lives and aren't anymore. Kate has said on the show that they they don't know how to help, whatever the heck that means.



I agree with this. It is a very different thing. Kate seems to have lost people in her life and not just friends. Family. It's crazy to me. She and her brother Kevin used to be close but now because of the show they're not. I hope it was all worth it then, doing the show. Now her marriage is crap, her kids will probably be affected by their lack of privacy and her family is estranged from her. I really think Kate is going to regret some of these choices even though they gave her kids all of these 'life experiences'.

ETA: Here's the link to an article about Beth from about a year ago.

http://www.readingeagle.com/article.aspx?id=117302

I wonder what her relationships with her children will be like when they're adults. Kate seems to have a hard time maintaining any long-term relationships. Can you imagine her as a mother-in-law? Or with her girls? Think of how tumultuous mother-daughter relationships can be for adults, even under the best of circumstances. Throw in the hot mess of tabloids, humiliating reality show clips, TV interviews and internet blather (no offense to us) and you've got the makings of estrangement and tell-all books like no other. Kate thinks SHE had reasons to distance herself from her parents? Hoo, doggies!

 

[kidshop]

And who is this person?

I thought I was keeping up--but I guess not.

Jamie is the bff whose husband (soon to be ex) gave Kate the free kitchen. She lives is Michigan (I think), but previously lived in PA and has twin daughters so that may be how she and Kate met; at a twins club. She was not seen or heard of before Jan 09 when the designing of the kitchen was filmed but after that there were tons of pictures (some weird) on her open facebook page of her with the Gosselins through Oct of this year. She was the angry nanny grabbing one of the boys and Jon referred to her as the babysitter. (although she had a picture being given a piggyback ride by Jon from the summer...I told you weird!). The facebook page was closed just a few weeks ago.

She and her son were on the basement organization episode.

 

[madge]

It's even weirder when it comes after the Viewer's Choice show -- I had thought that would be the last one. Obviously TLC plans to just keep going.

they'll continue with new episodes through sweeps. I think, after that, they'll be done.