Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 6

[WaltD4Me]

I seriously doubt it is Null and void depending on what the conditions of the show title status are and depending on how the children's contracts are sign.

On a separate note (accidentally posted this on the egg drop thread )


Just had another thought--Charlie Sheen and Denise Richards. They are divorced, not sure on their custody arrangement. LOTS of animosity between the two of them.

Of course this is in California.

But when Denise started her show--Charlie tried to prevent his children from being filmed and a judge ruled in Denise's favor. Does anyone remember that?

When in divorce, I don't think parents have as much rights as they think they have when it comes to controlling what happens with the kids when it isn't their turn.

Way too much precedent.

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Jon and his attorney can whine all they want, but they will have a serious issue in that there tends to be littel that can be done to control what the other parent does with the children when they have custody.

It will be very interesting.

I just don't see Jon and his attorney having the correct assessment, but time will tell. (Especially when he wants to go and film them on his own. )

This is a good point. I forgot about Denise Richards. Her show was awful, but the judge did allow the kids to be on against Charlie Sheen's objections.

Really if you think about it, the judge could say that Kate has a right to do the show when she has custody. I know it's totally different, but when Kate went to the house because she disapproved of Jon's choice of babysitter (Stephanie Santoro) Jon and just about everybody else said "Too bad, it's Jon's custody, he can do what he wants, Kate has no say so."

Again, totally different situation, but I don't think Jon has the "power" to just say he doesn't want the kids filmed just on his say so. He is probably going to have to prove somehow that it is harmful.

 

[DreaGirl]

Jon and his lawyer are trying to say, they had no legal representation and the children have no "contract" to work with TLC. This is the angle they are trying to work with. Why has the State of Pennsylvania not said anything yet.
It is such a waiting game. I am really hoping that Jon is sincere and wants the kids to stop filming, but the more I read this thread, and some of the links, it looks like Jon has a different agenda.

I saw a preview last nite on TLC, the Roloffs are coming back with a new show. I wonder if TLC pays the Roloffs seperately, or as a family. Zac and Jeremy are 19. They have been adults for over a year and a half.

Just one more thing...my older boys knew Ryan, from the MTV show "Life of Ryan" and he said he only made $5,000 and episode and his brothers made $1,500 for the whole season of the show. He said he tried to renew his contract for a 4th season with MTV and they didn't want to pay him anymore. He knew MTV made a lot of money off of him, so he wouldn't sign the contract and there is no show. Right now, many of you are probably saying Ryan who?
If Jon and Kate would stop the show, within 3 years, many would say, Jon and Kate who?

I've wondered about the Roloff's as well. It would be interesting to find out if Zac and Jeremy are paid separately or if it is also "the family job".

I remember that show! That is nuts considering what the pay the people on "The Hills". I guess his show as never as popular. Did they want him to do the 4th season for free? That's crazy!

 

[dispor]

I can't possibly keep up with this thread any longer. It has probably been posted before, but if you want to voice your concerns/comments to TLC, here is a link...

http://extweb.discovery.com/viewerrelations

 

[kidshop]

I agree. I wish the kids had someone to speak for them and slap a big fat piece of tap over Jon and kate's mouth.



Very true.







If you go back to page 141 of this thread Kidshop called me Kate. Where were all of you defenders then?

I really don't think Mermaid meant anything bad, just trying to make a point, the same thing Kidshop was doing with me. I laughed it off just as Kidshop did when it happened to her.

I do have to say this is a great group to post with

Look, I've made mistakes, I have to move forward and grow up and be a man.....oh wrong speech!

Was I joking when I called you Kate? Yes. Will I do it again? No.

 

[DreaGirl]

Look, I've made mistakes, I have to move forward and grow up and be a man.....oh wrong speech!

Was I joking when I called you Kate? Yes. Will I do it again? No.

Have you learned your lesson? I think you have!

 

[kidshop]

You can disagree all you like, but the credentials and track record of the person's blog whom I posted is far more than you can ever offer in credibility.

It is not a slam against you. It just means on the internet, you lack credibility to "prove" your opinions. You certainly are entitled to have them of course.


Case in point--TLC is so bad for the children--but Jon has intentions of putting them on his show if it gets on the ground.

The issue is the children being on tv period is harmful to their health. His just trying to stick it to Kate and intends to have them on his show. Got news for him, what goes around comes around and if he can deny permission, so can she.

How do you know THIS is true? It's just a rumor at this point. But yet you state it like a fact as well.

Oh, and what has Kate been honest about in your opinion?

Kate would deny permission and she should!

 

[emer95]

Look, I've made mistakes, I have to move forward and grow up and be a man.....oh wrong speech!

Was I joking when I called you Kate? Yes. Will I do it again? No.

LOL!!!

 

[redrosesix]

This will be interesting.
Jon lawyer's say, the contract with TLC is null and void.
Kate's lawyer says they have a contract with TLC and they have to abide by it.
With Kate being on the Today show, I'm betting they will continue, but not right now.

I'm betting that you're right about Kate trying to continue the show, unfortunately.

As for Jon's lawyer, IMO he is either correct in his interpretation or he is putting TLC on notice that if they sue Jon for breach of contract they will be in court a lot longer than they are planning. They both have some points which will need to be validated by a judge, but then there is also the possibility that one side will realize that what they are trying to achieve isn't worth fighting for -- TLC especially, since they really don't need bad press turning viewers away from the entire network.

Jon and his attorney can whine all they want, but they will have a serious issue in that there tends to be littel that can be done to control what the other parent does with the children when they have custody.

It will be very interesting.

I just don't see Jon and his attorney having the correct assessment, but time will tell. (Especially when he wants to go and film them on his own. )

I think the issue they discussed are quite different than the way they have been presented by many of the press articles. What I am hearing is:
1. Jon doesn't want to be on the show, and doesn't want his kids on the show -- they are not presenting any argument saying he has a right to take his kids off the show, with the exception of TLC's letter stating that if either Jon or Kate felt that taping while going through the divorce was detrimental to the children then it would stop (not forever, just temporarily)
2. under PA law, Jon as one of the homeowners has the right to bar TLC and it's cameras from his property(s) -- so they can't film at either of the houses
3. that each parent is in charge of filming on their custody days and Jon is refusing to have the children filmed on his custody days
4. that since Jon's role in the show is no longer the same as that written in the contract, and the name of the show/direction has changed, the contract for J & K + 8 is null and void. So any gag order, requirement of the children to film, etc is no longer enforceable
5. that the original contract for the show was not valid, that proper permits were not obtained, etc. because the show is altogether different ie. not a documentary but a scripted show, than what was presented in the contract

Look, I've made mistakes, I have to move forward and grow up and be a man.....oh wrong speech!

Was I joking when I called you Kate? Yes. Will I do it again? No.

Have you learned your lesson? I think you have!

Hilarious

You can disagree all you like, but the credentials and track record of the person's blog whom I posted is far more than you can ever offer in credibility.

It is not a slam against you. It just means on the internet, you lack credibility to "prove" your opinions. You certainly are entitled to have them of course.


Case in point--TLC is so bad for the children--but Jon has intentions of putting them on his show if it gets on the ground.

The issue is the children being on tv period is harmful to their health. His just trying to stick it to Kate and intends to have them on his show. Got news for him, what goes around comes around and if he can deny permission, so can she.

I did go to your link and although I found it interesting, it does only refer to the show. There are some problems IMO with analyzing somebody's character based on what we saw on the show since we all know that it was at least in part scripted and that there were many edits made. Either one of them could have been lying in segments that got left on the cutting room floor, either one of them might have been unhappy with the lines they were given. Furthermore, we know that people's behaviour including facial expressions is going to be affected by underlying emotions -- would her analysis now change if she was aware that during the segments she presented Jon and Kate were heading for divorce? Maybe one or both of them didn't want to be sitting next to each other, didn't want to be filming that day.

JMHO, her analysis has only to do with what she saw on the show and I fail to see how it could be helpful in analyzing either Jon or Kate's behaviour in a live interview. IMO, even the difference in their behaviour now versus a year ago in interviews is startling.

 

[barkley]

i'm thinking that with divorced parents filming or showing images of the kids depends on how the custody is written up, the legal requirements of where the filming is done-and it would go to the issue of the 'legal custody' not nesc. the physical (some parents get much less visitation but retain tremendous legal rights). i'm guessing with the advent of reality shows there will be more language of this nature written into custody agreements where there is the potential for a kid to be included in one of these types of shows.

you look to other reality shows and it greatly differs on how much or even IF a child is shown-with denise richard's show charley sheen got the court to limit the kid's exposure, and the role they would play in the production. on 'the real housewives of new jersey' the one wife is reportedly in a massive battle with her ex b/c she did'nt get the legal permission the show required from him, with 'the real housewives of atlanta' you never see so much as a photo of the kids lisa has with her ex (he has custody), and on 'tori and dean' his son by the ex only (and it's RARE) appears with his face blurred out.


off topic (kind of) but-has anyone hit the link on tlc's site to kate's 'organizing tips'? OMG they are SO off base with what the public knows their life style to be like.

i see 'table for 12' is back on the air-i think i'll tune into that, i'm just amazed given how j&k put forth that they could'nt manage to support their kids without all the years of the show they've done, the marketing, the 'love offerings'....that this family with one more set of twins than the gosselins AND a special needs child has managed to survive on a jersey cop's salary

 

[mousey]

I think Jon is a lot more honest in his answers then Kate will ever be. That's why TLC wants Jon gone---you can't control what is going to come out of his mouth. Kate on the other hand, skirts the issue and never gives an answer.

I read that the kids are forced to practice the scenes before they are shot. How many hrs. are they practicing for a lousy 1/2 hr show??? Kate is just out for herself---if she cared so deeply about those kids, she would be home with them. "Real celebrities" don't parade around with a bodyguard like she does--I think he is her therapist in reality!!! She loves the papparazzi, who is she kidding!!! Kate is so phoney.

These lawyers are having a hayday with this family. Only problem is its probably the kids money that is paying there salaries.

My guess is the PA mansion home will be sold, Kate will move to Hollywood because she is "star" material. Jon will marry Hailey and probably end up raising the kids because Kate will be too busy! JMO!!!

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

Don't worry- I will not post here again.

But remember- in these situations, there is Her side- His side and the TRUTH.

I hope you reconsider, it is nice to have a variety of opinions on this thread.

I saw a preview last nite on TLC, the Roloffs are coming back with a new show. I wonder if TLC pays the Roloffs seperately, or as a family. Zac and Jeremy are 19. They have been adults for over a year and a half.

I have missed watching the Roloffs and am glad the new season will be starting soon. I have often wondered about the boys and what they all make, according to Matt they really don't make what you think they would. But they do get the vacations and such just like the Gosselins.

Look, I've made mistakes, I have to move forward and grow up and be a man.....oh wrong speech!

Was I joking when I called you Kate? Yes. Will I do it again? No.

Exactly!

 

[redrosesix]

i'm thinking that with divorced parents filming or showing images of the kids depends on how the custody is written up, the legal requirements of where the filming is done-and it would go to the issue of the 'legal custody' not nesc. the physical (some parents get much less visitation but retain tremendous legal rights). i'm guessing with the advent of reality shows there will be more language of this nature written into custody agreements where there is the potential for a kid to be included in one of these types of shows.

you look to other reality shows and it greatly differs on how much or even IF a child is shown-with denise richard's show charley sheen got the court to limit the kid's exposure, and the role they would play in the production. on 'the real housewives of new jersey' the one wife is reportedly in a massive battle with her ex b/c she did'nt get the legal permission the show required from him, with 'the real housewives of atlanta' you never see so much as a photo of the kids lisa has with her ex (he has custody), and on 'tori and dean' his son by the ex only (and it's RARE) appears with his face blurred out.


off topic (kind of) but-has anyone hit the link on tlc's site to kate's 'organizing tips'? OMG they are SO off base with what the public knows their life style to be like.

i see 'table for 12' is back on the air-i think i'll tune into that, i'm just amazed given how j&k put forth that they could'nt manage to support their kids without all the years of the show they've done, the marketing, the 'love offerings'....that this family with one more set of twins than the gosselins AND a special needs child has managed to survive on a jersey cop's salary

Nope -- never hit that link before -- too funny! Somebody needs to tell Kate that safety would include wearing bike helmets. And I just loved the last tip about housework

And you're absolutely right about everything else too. We met a family this summer that has 7 children, plus 2 special needs foster children. They manage to get by on a teacher's salary, and were on a 2 week vacation when we met them. No help with housework, no nannies, no personal assistants, all on their own. Of course their children are older now, but they have parenting down to a science, and I have to admit they are 2 of the best parents I have ever met. Kate should take some lessons from families like these, not the other way around, IMO

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

Kate is just out for herself---if she cared so deeply about those kids, she would be home with them. She loves the papparazzi, who is she kidding!!!

So when Jon is not home he doesn't love the kids? There have been plenty of times on his custody days he is off working too. As far as the paps, Jon invites them on the property, they have become like his personal entourage.

 

[Nancy]

I agree! There is no reason to get snippy over the Jon + Kate divorce!! Threads are no fun when someone is rude or feels the need to critique every little thing that someone else says.

All we can do here is offer our opinions -- because none of us truly have the facts. Jon says one thing, Kate says another, their lawyers say another, TLC says something else, Kevin & Jodi have their take... How in the world, in this mess, would anyone of US have the facts? The principals here can't even agree on their stories, (i.e. Jon/Kate/lawyers/TLC)

Some posters think the show is a good thing, some don't, some identify with Jon, some with Kate. Whatever. Just opinions.

so true. I wonder if any of them even know what the truth is anymore.

This is a good point. I forgot about Denise Richards. Her show was awful, but the judge did allow the kids to be on against Charlie Sheen's objections.

Really if you think about it, the judge could say that Kate has a right to do the show when she has custody. I know it's totally different, but when Kate went to the house because she disapproved of Jon's choice of babysitter (Stephanie Santoro) Jon and just about everybody else said "Too bad, it's Jon's custody, he can do what he wants, Kate has no say so."

Again, totally different situation, but I don't think Jon has the "power" to just say he doesn't want the kids filmed just on his say so. He is probably going to have to prove somehow that it is harmful.

Also true...double standard, Jon an do what he wants when it is his time with them but Kate can't? I think they both need to get a grip and get over themselves.

But you know what? There are a lot of people that get divorced that argue over every little thing and because hey are just average Joe and Jane no one knows it...these kinds of divorces happen every day, they are just not played out in public and the petty arguements are over other things.

Nope -- never hit that link before -- too funny! Somebody needs to tell Kate that safety would include wearing bike helmets. And I just loved the last tip about housework

And you're absolutely right about everything else too. We met a family this summer that has 7 children, plus 2 special needs foster children. They manage to get by on a teacher's salary, and were on a 2 week vacation when we met them. No help with housework, no nannies, no personal assistants, all on their own. Of course their children are older now, but they have parenting down to a science, and I have to admit they are 2 of the best parents I have ever met. Kate should take some lessons from families like these, not the other way around, IMO

And if Jon had Kate had never started a TV show they would maybe be the same way...getting by in smaller houses with most likely both of them working and doing whatever they needed to support the family.

So when Jon is not home he doesn't love the kids? There have been plenty of times on his custody days he is off working too. As far as the paps, Jon invites them on the property, they have become like his personal entourage.

agree! Why is it that when Mom is away she doesn't love her kids..but that doesn't apply to dad? Lots of Moms have to leave their kids for their jobs..I was gone 9 days on business once, doesn't mean I don't love my kids...heck I even went on vacation without my kids were fairly little still...I guess I must hate them.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

How do you know THIS is true? It's just a rumor at this point. But yet you state it like a fact as well.

Oh, and what has Kate been honest about in your opinion?

Kate would deny permission and she should!

First off, someone posted a people article and with very minimal exception, people is a pretty reliable source.

I'm not going into semantics over honesty and dishonesty with you at this point. We don't know the full story, so one cannot sit here with a straight face and claim either party is lying.

If you would like to read the link, just go back a few pages. It was freely available for everyone to read.

 

[MAKmom]

Don't worry- I will not post here again.



What I highlighted above is why I thought Kidshop had "inside" information. Those things are not "fact" and she states them like she knows they are true.

I seem to have rubbed some people the wrong way and I don't want to get your thread closed!

But remember- in these situations, there is Her side- His side and the TRUTH.

Don't let them run you off.

They did gang up on you for some reason....maybe you were getting too close to the truth

 

[redrosesix]

duplicate post

 

[redrosesix]

I just find this too funny:
http://ow.ly/15SFVu

Jon got the sign on the gate fixed.

 

[momrek06]

I just find this too funny:
http://ow.ly/15SFVu

Jon got the sign on the gate fixed.

Oh...My... That is just too funny! I mean if he doesn't know how to spell penalty at least I would think he would know how to spell his OWN NAME.

The article states that possibly one of the kids made the sign...if that is true, that is just disturbing to have Mady or Cara INVOLVED (by making that sign).

 

[redrosesix]

Oh...My... That is just too funny! I mean if he doesn't know how to spell penalty at least I would think he would know how to spell his OWN NAME.

The article states that possibly one of the kids made the sign...if that is true, that is just disturbing to have Mady or Cara INVOLVED (by making that sign).

Well, all we know is that he didn't make it, since he wasn't home at the time (and Mady and Cara were probably in school, and also probably know how to spell his name, so likely they didn't do it either)

I'm just surprised that Kate hasn't had it taken down.