Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 6

[walden]

Now, a lot of people would disagree with you and say that they are not actually divorced yet so they are still legally married. WE don't all agree with you that the marriage was over in June -- I am, and always have been, of the opinion that once one of the spouses decides the marriage is over, then it is.

You also have no evidence that Jon was coming home drunk and high -- the only person in that marriage who has been accused of getting drunk regularly is Kate, and the accusastions were made by former babysitters.

As for the timeline, Jon told Kate that he wanted to go out with his friends (not to go out drinking, as you stated) in Jan and claims that in their 10 years of marriage he had never been allowed to do that. When she told him he couldn't, he said "what are you going to do? Divorce me?" According to everybody but Kate (who can't remember when the marriage ended) they had been basically separated for 3 months by that time, and Jon had already been going to counseling.

This bears repeating!

 

[newtodis]

Hey y'all! Just wanted to stop in and say that despite having to actually work this week, I'm hoping to work on the time line more this weekend and have an update next week for everyone. Once I'm done with that though, I'll probably go back to lurking as things are back in their negative cycle again.

Have an awesome rest of the week everyone!

 

[DMRick]

Could you please point to the precise episodes or interviews where Kate has said she has a full time baby sitter and/or family involvement? I have not seen them. I have seen Kate whining about doing everything on her own. A lot!.

Lol the precise one, eh? Did you watch the interview that was just recently posted..at the woman's meeting? She said then she had a full time sitter..and she prefered to not call her a nanny. It was Ashley, and now that Ashley is in school, it's her friend. Fulltime to me means full time..about 8 hours a day. Both her and Jon have said they have help. I don't now if they have it around the clock, but they do have help, and haven't said they don't. They have made it clear (at least to me), that the main care of the kids is Jon and Kate.

I also said I don't know if she does have family involvement, but then, I don't know if she doesn't either. They have made it clear that they don't want to be taped (the family), and if my family said that, I would also not talk about them. So, can you show me pricisely how you know that no family is involved with them? We've seen people we don't know in the driveway..do you know that isn't any family?
As for divorced people 'dumping' a dog on craiglist..unless you live in their shoes and walk in their walk you just don't know th in's and outs of divorce. While this isn't Kate and Jon's case, we have gotten cats back, because after the divorce the woman went into a safe shelter. We have gotten them back because the mom who was supporting her kids, couldn't afford to feed them (our organization can only give food for 3 months). When we adopt our cats out, we say (and live by it) that we will take them back for any reason. I assume this breeder did too. And then you have the more common cases,like Kate and Jon, where their lives have changed and keeping two large dogs just isn't easy, and maybe that is short term and maybe it isn't.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

Hey y'all! Just wanted to stop in and say that despite having to actually work this week, I'm hoping to work on the time line more this weekend and have an update next week for everyone. Once I'm done with that though, I'll probably go back to lurking as things are back in their negative cycle again.

Have an awesome rest of the week everyone!

Hey NewtoDis

Thank you for your hard work on the time line, it helps to see some kind of sense of it all. I have been thinking of ditching this thread as well, the negativity is overwhelming sometimes.

You have a great week too!

 

[DMRick]

I know. I'm glad I'm going away soon and won't be tempted to spend a lot of time here. As I've said in the past, I'm glad I'm not being judged all the time (yes, I know she put herself out there..but geesh, can't we find some things that aren't so picky to judge on? How about Kate's hair..I just saw someone with the cut at an adoption clinic Saturday. Oh, and our Marshall's had some of that brand of clothes that Jon likes so much..yuck LOL!).

As for Jon and his going out. Just like with Kate, I know nothing about if he taking drugs, or if he was cheating and that had anything to do with the break up. TLC didn't share those types of episodes with us. We only got to see what they wanted us to see.

Hey y'all! Just wanted to stop in and say that despite having to actually work this week, I'm hoping to work on the time line more this weekend and have an update next week for everyone. Once I'm done with that though, I'll probably go back to lurking as things are back in their negative cycle again.

Have an awesome rest of the week everyone!

 

[mousey]

Could you please point to the precise episodes or interviews where Kate has said she has a full time baby sitter and/or family involvement? I have not seen them. I have seen Kate whining about doing everything on her own. A lot!

I'm holding my fire on the dog situation. I hope the "temporarily back with the breeder" is true and that when J & K get things organized the dogs will be back with the kids. I think the kids did love them.

Yes, divorce is a very common reason for disposing of pets. I have a very sweet dog right now who was unceremoniously dumped on Craigslist due to divorce. I fostered and then adopted this 10 year old pooch (with multiple health problems) because his previous owners couldn't keep him. They promised to send on his vet records and swore they loved him. They also gave a false phone number and disappeared. The poor old man had not seen a vet in 4 years.

It is worth noting that the Gosselins used to have cats (see the home video footage.) The cats were rehomed (or possibly put down) with the birth of the twins, IIRC. Sad.

I have never heard her admit to having a full time babysitter or family involvement either. If we didn't see parts and pieces of the film crew, she probably would claim to tape the whole episodes too!

Kate constantly whines about being a single parent and how she does it all. You can't tell me there isn't a housekeeper who is doing laundry, cleaning, etc....once again Kate is a martyr!!

I have an elderly cat who the neighbors put out in windy/cold weather declawed because she didn't get along with there other 2 cats. We took her in not knowing who she belonged to. When they found out we had her, they claimed they were moving and couldn't take her with them. They also promised us vet records which we never got. She had some medical problems too. I don't like when people get animals and then dispose of them for convenience sake or they can't care for them. Just like the Gosselin dogs, large yard to run in, seem like friendly dogs, kids Christmas presents, but nobody to take care of them?? I don't remember the cats, but I'm sure some SPCA does!

Nobody says being a single parent is going to be easy. Kate, however, does have plenty of help that should ease her burden some--of course, she will never admit it!

 

[DMRick]

It is worth noting that the Gosselins used to have cats (see the home video footage.) The cats were rehomed (or possibly put down) with the birth of the twins, IIRC. Sad.

Now why would you say that? Do you have one bit of proof that that may be true? Or is that just to make Kate and Jon look bad..because you know someone could take that and run with it, and next thing you know, people actually believe it.
We don't know that Jon is taking drugs, and we certainly don't know if they put their cats down because they didn't want them anymore.

 

[redrosesix]

The Duggar mom only has to take care of the smallest baby. All the older children have a child they are paired up with & they have to take care of all of that childs needs. Kate has help but not one on one like the Duggars. The older Duggar girls are slaves IMO

This is exactly what Kate said about the Duggars on The View. While it may be true now, there probably was a time when she had 10 kids aged 10 and younger -- not much help from the older girls there. I wouldn't want to have their life, but I also don't see them complaining about it. IMO, it's not a fair comparison because Kate has always had help, always had a TV show, always had more money, since the tups were born.

And it's pretty hard to say who has a harder life when you're comparing any two families. I know a lot of military families who have no complaints about the fact that they're "doing it on their own" for a 6 month stretch (and completely on their own, not half a week at a time), but find it extremely difficult to deal with the emotional issues of having mom or dad in a war zone. In fact, those parents often choose to make their kids and themselves even busier to help pass the time faster.

 

[whitneyNC]

Now why would you say that? Do you have one bit of proof that that may be true? Or is that just to make Kate and Jon look bad..because you know someone could take that and run with it, and next thing you know, people actually believe it.
We don't know that Jon is taking drugs, and we certainly don't know if they put their cats down because they didn't want them anymore.

Because if two adult cats were surrendered to an Animal Control shelter, they have a better chance of being euthanized than re-homed. Jon and Kate need no one's help making themselves look bad! The poster said possibly, not probably. Unfortunately this is a legitimate scenario for cats given up. I hope they are/were loved by someone else. Why do people give up cats when they have babies? Cats are so easy in my opinion. I have lots of pets, and several kids! It's all about choices.

 

[DMRick]

This is exactly what Kate said about the Duggars on The View. While it may be true now, there probably was a time when she had 10 kids aged 10 and younger -- not much help from the older girls there. I wouldn't want to have their life, but I also don't see them complaining about it. IMO, it's not a fair comparison because Kate has always had help, always had a TV show, always had more money, since the tups were born. .

You are right..there prob was a time like that. But we have no idea if it was easy or hard, if they had money or outside help either. As I said, I can't figure out why this family is on TV, if they don't want the money just as badly as the other TV families. I especially don't get it if they never needed the money.

Anyone have the amount of people watching their show, versus J & K's? Since so many like it so much better, I would assume it's really up there.

 

[DMRick]

Because if two adult cats were surrendered to an Animal Control shelter, they have a better chance of being euthanized than re-homed. Jon and Kate need no one's help making themselves look bad! The poster said possibly, not probably. Unfortunately this is a legitimate scenario for cats given up. I hope they are/were loved by someone else. Why do people give up cats when they have babies? Cats are so easy in my opinion. I have lots of pets, and several kids! It's all about choices.

I guess being in the cat rescue business, and working as a vet tech for many many years before that, I don't agree that that is the first step most would take. I don't know about your shelter, but ours has only euthanized 8 adoptable cats in the past year because of over crowdeness (our rescue shelter has not euthanized any, including ferals unless it was a sick or injured cat that could not be healed). Usually they call one of a dozen volunteer groups when they get over burdened and we take some to help out. People give up cats for many reasons, and sometimes a new mother is overwhelmed when they have a baby. Answer our phones for a week, and you may see why we have compassion for most of the people who call us needing to rehome their pets.
I just think that is an awful assumption to make about someone you don't know, that they were possibly put down, with nothing to back that up.

 

[walden]

I know. I'm glad I'm going away soon and won't be tempted to spend a lot of time here.

Have a lovely vacation. I think you are going on a cruise. I envy you!

Yes, I know this is OT, but I seem to have problems multiquoting and did want to send you this message.

 

[whitneyNC]

Anyone have the amount of people watching their show, versus J & K's? Since so many like it so much better, I would assume it's really up there.

They only film about 1/10th the episodes of Jon and Kate, and we aren't inundated with re-runs, marathons, and other Duggar appearances. They are hardly in the media at all compared to the Gosselins. As unusual as they are, they still seem normal. They are thought of by some as kooky, but not really controversial. They laugh at themselves, and don't take it all too seriously. I just find them pleasant, especially the kids, not contrived. Just my opinion.

I guess being in the cat rescue business, and working as a vet tech for many many years before that, I don't agree that that is the first step most would take. I don't know about your shelter, but ours has only euthanized 8 adoptable cats in the past year because of over crowdeness (our rescue shelter has not euthanized any, including ferals unless it was a sick or injured cat that could not be healed)

That is wonderful. We have a great Humane Society, AARF, etc. which don't euthanize and use fosters, but our County shelter puts down about 70% of adult animals surrendered. Our feral rescue spays/neuters, vaccinates and returns (unless they are FeLv positvive). Good people. Back on topic...I love that home video of Jon and Kate with their cats, but it makes me sad. I'm an animal softy.

 

[DMRick]

Jon and Kate need no one's help making themselves look bad! .

Are you kidding me? Do you read the innuendo's on this and other boards?

 

[whitneyNC]

Are you kidding me? Do you read the innuendo's on this and other boards?

I have no idea what you mean, but I was saying they take care of it just fine by themselves!

 

[DMRick]

I have no idea what you mean, but I was saying they take care of it just fine by themselves!

I don't happen to agree with you, but of course we all have our opinions.

Do I think they make mistakes and aren't perfect? Yes, just like most people. But we don't really know them, but many make remarks about them as if they do, as if they can read their minds and they know what they 'really' mean as opposed to what they say. Or they pull apart every word they say (how many of us can stand up to that?). Many people seem to think that no matter what Jon and Kate do, it harms their children, without even know the whole of it. These are people. They have made mistakes and everyone gets to see them. But they have also done good things. I've been around the disboards long enough to know that many people on these boards have made the same mistakes with their children and husbands. Mayeb it's my age, and I've learned to be more forgiving. Maybe it's because I've mentored so many young families in our church, and I see that it's not easy making the right choices. I don't know what it is, but I do believe these are good parents trying their best, to handle a situation that has gotten out of hand, and they aren't sure which way to go anymore. I do know that they (or at least Kate) are still involved with church members, and hopefully that that tie will be what helps her to make the decisions that are right for her. Maybe not decisions that we agree with, but that will work in her and Jon's situation..

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

Are you kidding me? Do you read the innuendo's on this and other boards?

It is sad isn't it? It seems like there are people out there that are just waiting for Jon & Kate to screw up so they can descend like wolves. And it doesn't have to be a big screw up it can be very trivial. So trivial that unless you are looking for something you won't even see it.

 

[walden]

Lol the precise one, eh? Did you watch the interview that was just recently posted..at the woman's meeting? She said then she had a full time sitter..and she prefered to not call her a nanny. It was Ashley, and now that Ashley is in school, it's her friend. Fulltime to me means full time..about 8 hours a day. Both her and Jon have said they have help. I don't now if they have it around the clock, but they do have help, and haven't said they don't. They have made it clear (at least to me), that the main care of the kids is Jon and Kate.
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Yes, I did watch that -- finally. I'm on dial-up so downloading videos is slow.

Kate says she has a full time "sitter"? If she walks like a nanny, quacks like a nanny, possibly can act in loco parentis like a nanny because she takes Cara to the Doctor? Shoot, if she does all that and works full time she probably is a nanny!

In my book "Nanny" is not a 4 letter word. Why can't Kate admit it to a nanny? I'm sure Ashley and Ashley's friend, and that sweet Asian woman are all just darling. Why can't Kate just come clean on having a nanny?

And on the rescued pet stuff. You and I are on the same page on that. I have over 10 years on working in Domestic Violence and 25+ in animal rescue. Nothing, but nothing, surprises me any more. Can they shock me? Well yes, I'm not that hardened, all abuse is horrid and cases only get worse. We have had pets turned in in situations that make me vomit. And I've dealt with *human* abuse situations that are unspeakable.

The Gosselins possibly returning the dogs just makes me shrug. They are so typical of those average returners *because our situation has changed.* At least the dogs are apparently in good health.

Everything is relative, but experience with really horrible abuse situations will not stop me from saying that both the Gosselin's judgements seem to be very, very wrong right now.

Those poor children.

 

[DMRick]

our County shelter puts down about 70% of adult animals surrendered. Our feral rescue spays/neuters, vaccinates and returns (unless they are FeLv positvive). Good people. Back on topic...I love that home video of Jon and Kate with their cats, but it makes me sad. I'm an animal softy.

That is our county shelter that I was talking about. They have the groups on speed dial. 70% is a lot. Sorry to hear that. Guess they don't qualify for the Muddy grant.

Sounds like your area has to find more vets willing to spay and neuter at reasonable costs. We charge $70 and that includes their feluk test, rabies, ear mites, advantage, and nail cliipping.
We do almost 90 a week right now (not counting the amount the shelter does). That keeps down the population and gives more cats chances to find homes.

But in any case we have no idea what Kate and Jon did with their cat/s. I'd rather assume the good..that they found a home.

Bringing this back to Kate and Jon, here's a couple of views on them. They differ, but I agree with both sides:

http://www.parentdish.com/2009/09/2....parentdish.com/2009/09/23/mom-says-dad-says/

 

[DMRick]

Kate says she has a full time "sitter"? If she walks like a nanny, quacks like a nanny, possibly can act in loco parentis like a nanny because she takes Cara to the Doctor? Shoot, if she does all that and works full time she probably is a nanny!

In my book "Nanny" is not a 4 letter word. Why can't Kate admit it to a nanny? I'm sure Ashley and Ashley's friend, and that sweet Asian woman are all just darling. Why can't Kate just come clean on having a nanny?

I don't care what she calls it. It works the same. I just hope the kids have continuity on who does watch them both when the parents are there and when they are not. They also have said they have household help. Jon said it at the fence, I can't remember when Kate said it.