Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 6

[TanyaLovesPooh]

I have to say, I didn't believe him about DeAnna Hummel at all. First he says he never gets to hang out with his friends, but all of a sudden he has a friend that is a 23 year old girl and he goes to Utah with her? If he wanted to hang out with his buddies so bad, why didnt he take them to Utah?

I competely agree that there are 3 sides, his, hers and the truth.

I didn't buy that either. Or Kate Major for that matter, I think he had his fun with her and she went way overboard thinking it was much more. He can't let Hailey know that though.

Now that I think about it, it wasn't necessary for him to say that he thinks he loves Hailey more than he ever loved Kate. That sort of goes with the despise comment....his kids won't appreciate it someday.

 

[redrosesix]

I found him to be very believable. I want to believe that jon was telling the truth at least as how he knows it to me. I don't think he's bright enough to be very calculated and planned. I think he speaks with passion--whether it is right or wrong, truth or lie--I think it is all very real to him. You know, HIS perception.

OTOH, I think Kate has her own perception AND I think Kate can make more calculated and planned answers. I think she thinks things through more often than Jon does before she speaks. Therefore, it does not seem "from her emotions" as he kept calling it and it is rehearsed and what she is supposed to say. So, I think that makes him seem more "real" to me.

I thought he did fine. He seemed relieved to be be able to air all these things. While I think it is horrible to say something such as "I love Hailey more than I ever loved Kate"--he may think that, believe that and it might the truth for him but I do not think he should have ever, ever said that. Not for Kate's sake--but for the kids' sake. I would be absolutely crushed if my mother ever said she loved the new man in her life more than she loved my father (granted he passed away but still) it would be crushing and I'd absolutely resent her saying something like that. Please, Jon, keep that type thing to yourself. Of course now it is already said and just like toothpaste--you can't put it back in the tube once it is squeezed out.

I thought a lot of what he was saying made logical sense with what we were seeing. if she came to him in October at the dining room table table and wondered why she had ever married him, and he said it was totally out of the blue, well, the renewal could have been on the up and up in August. Was oct. when they moved into the new house? Then he moved to the garage and was paying for a house he wasn't even living in, so to speak. $22,000 in counseling bills??? Geez... that's a lot!

I would love to know what happened to end the marriage--why wouldn't she go to counseling? I found it very interesting that Jon felt like he knew EXACTLY when the marriage ended and she ...just...wasn't sure...when...that happened...so much had transpired...it was all running together...
While a lot has happened, I would think you'd sort of know--just like he felt he knew. Things that make you go hmm....

ITA with your entire post, but especially the last part.

Hmmm....

 

[redrosesix]

Does anybody else hope that this is Jon's last interview? That, no matter what Kate says or does, he'll feel he's had his day and leave it at this?

One of the things I noticed was the sheer number of covers about him (I actually started thinking about this a few pages ago, re Kate in the press) -- there have been a ton of articles in the last few months, most of which he was not interviewed for. So I'm wondering if we can tabulate them all?

Here's what I have so far for Jon:
this interview
the interview with E!, but that was canned by TLC, so I wouldn't count it
an interview in People (thanks Buckalew, for remembering where that was)
3 "interviews" at the fence (one about Vegas, one about the police, and one about something else)

For Kate, of course there are more:
LKL
2 Today shows
how many People articles?
multiple public statements, including 1 today
a press release by her divorce attorneys stating she was asking for full custody of the children (obviously that wouldn't have been done without her permission/cooperation)
and I think 2 interviews by the writer of the People articles.

Is that all there is because it seemed like a lot more.

 

[Buckalew11]

This interview really shows his immaturity! It's so much more than speculation and magazine blurbs - the words coming from his mouth are really going to hurt his kids in the future - families have been shattered by less than this.

Kate is a control-freak witch - has been since the very beginning, but he is so immature - instead of addressing the issues they had, he rebelled, like a teenager. He is so sullen, defiant, it's like he is thumbing his nose at his mom when he finally can get from under her control.

I am afraid this interview will come back to haunt him.

While I found theinterview very believable, I agree with this. I think it does show his immaturity and I also think his words will hurt (like I said in my previous post).
I think when he finally had enough of her controlling him, he rebelled and did not face their issues. I didn't understand why he thought that seemed so right to him--"it felt so good to finally stand up to her" etc. I think he went about it all the wrong way. They needed to confront their issues head on--instead, Jon went out in left field. Kate needed to put in her place (no a "woman's place" mind you--just be confronted that you do NOT speak to your husband like she did, you do not disrespect him, speak nasty about him to your kids etc. etc. etc.) Instead, of confronting their issues, he ran away to party, visit, play and eventually get a girlfriend or two.

Their issues run so deep. While no one is perfect and no couple is perfect, J&K seem almost lethal to me.

 

[redrosesix]

While I found theinterview very believable, I agree with this. I think it does show his immaturity and I also think his words will hurt (like I said in my previous post).
I think when he finally had enough of her controlling him, he rebelled and did not face their issues. I didn't understand why he thought that seemed so right to him--"it felt so good to finally stand up to her" etc. I think he went about it all the wrong way. They needed to confront their issues head on--instead, Jon went out in left field. Kate needed to put in her place (no a "woman's place" mind you--just be confronted that you do NOT speak to your husband like she did, you do not disrespect him, speak nasty about him to your kids etc. etc. etc.) Instead, of confronting their issues, he ran away to party, visit, play and eventually get a girlfriend or two.

Their issues run so deep. While no one is perfect and no couple is perfect, J&K seem almost lethal to me.

You know, I can just see a therapist telling Jon: "So what do you think will happen, Jon, if you tell Kate you'd like to go out with your friends? Jon you have to start standing up to her. Jon you have to take your life back. Maybe Kate isn't the one standing in the way of you doing things with your friends -- maybe you are?"

JMHO, sometimes therapists can really get people into the muck.

But I do agree with you, it was like watching a train wreck

 

[Buckalew11]

While I say "believable", I really have no idea whether he slept with the other women or not. Seems pretty clear to me that he is with Hailey. So, while he said he didn't sleep with them, and at least Kate Major said she slept with him and Deanna's brother said she slept with him, I have no idea whether to believe him or not. I'm not putting much energy into that one.

Redrosesix, didn't Jon do one PEOPLE?

 

[redrosesix]

While I say "believable", I really have no idea whether he slept with the other women or not. Seems pretty clear to me that he is with Hailey. So, while he said he didn't sleep with them, and at least Kate Major said she slept with him and Deanna's brother said she slept with him, I have no idea whether to believe him or not. I'm not putting much energy into that one.

Redrosesix, didn't Jon do one PEOPLE?

That's the one I couldn't remember which magazine it was.

 

[Buckalew11]

You know, I can just see a therapist telling Jon: "So what do you think will happen, Jon, if you tell Kate you'd like to go out with your friends? Jon you have to start standing up to her. Jon you have to take your life back. Maybe Kate isn't the one standing in the way of you doing things with your friends -- maybe you are?"

JMHO, sometimes therapists can really get people into the muck.

But I do agree with you, it was like watching a train wreck

That sounds more like beauty shop advice than a therapist. I can see (and have probably heard) that advice being given from behind the chair in the last 26 years.But as someone who went to therapy after my dad died, I can say my therapist wasn't giving out advice like that. Thank God.
Maybe his did, but I certainly hope not. After all, he paid $22,000 for the help he got. Surely he got better than that!!

 

[redrosesix]

That sounds more like beauty shop advice than a therapist. I can see (and have probably heard) that advice being given from behind the chair in the last 26 years.But as someone who went to therapy after my dad died, I can say my therapist wasn't giving out advice like that. Thank God.
Maybe his did, but I certainly hope not. After all, he paid $22,000 for the help he got. Surely he got better than that!!

Maybe he got his advice from the guy who gave him the hair plugs?

BTW, I once worked in a mental hospital (compiling research, sometimes at night but anything to pay for school ) I was often surprised at some of the advice the psychiatrists gave out. We once had a patient who wanted to send a letter to the UN about his new invention to turn water into oil -- they sent it. Ahhhh, my glorious 20's.

 

[Buckalew11]

Maybe he got his advice from the guy who gave him the hair plugs?

BTW, I once worked in a mental hospital (compiling research, sometimes at night but anything to pay for school ) I was often surprised at some of the advice the psychiatrists gave out. We once had a patient who wanted to send a letter to the UN about his new invention to turn water into oil -- they sent it. Ahhhh, my glorious 20's.

After all, he got his girlfriend from the doctor who did Kate's tummytuck! Sorry, couldn't resist!

Water into oil...we need to figure that one out. Hope he is still working on that one.

 

[WaltD4Me]

You know, I can just see a therapist telling Jon: "So what do you think will happen, Jon, if you tell Kate you'd like to go out with your friends? Jon you have to start standing up to her. Jon you have to take your life back. Maybe Kate isn't the one standing in the way of you doing things with your friends -- maybe you are?"

JMHO, sometimes therapists can really get people into the muck.

But I do agree with you, it was like watching a train wreck

I was thinking this exact same thing. I can just hear a therapist saying that to him and Jon is his sort of simple kind of way just plows through that and says "I'm going out with my friends, see ya."

 

[Debbie]

You know, I can just see a therapist telling Jon: "So what do you think will happen, Jon, if you tell Kate you'd like to go out with your friends? Jon you have to start standing up to her. Jon you have to take your life back. Maybe Kate isn't the one standing in the way of you doing things with your friends -- maybe you are?"

JMHO, sometimes therapists can really get people into the muck.

But I do agree with you, it was like watching a train wreck

Oh, boy! Is this one true!

I didn't see the interviews, but am enjoying everyone's take on them. Thank you.

 

[Mickey527]

Nobody puts Jon & Kate on page 2!

 

[DWGal210]

I think the most akward part of this interview was how many times Chris Cuomo tried to help Jon dig himself out of that hole and Jon just kept jumping back in. Jon really seems to have NO concept about how all this negative crap is hurting his kids. OK, maybe they are not seeing the interview NOW, but there will come a day when they're old enough to Google their parents and see all this junk. Like a PP said - he needs a new PR guy. Preferrably one that gives Jon a muzzle.

 

[mousetravel]

his argument that "I got married at 22, had twins at 24 and sextuplets at 27" is just old. Not sure if those are the right ages by the way. Grow up and be a parent. That's no excuse.

I agree with this.

 

[mousey]

Well I think the interview cleared up some things about Jon's behavior. It sounds like he was really hurt and angry. I knew Dr. Phil had to somehow be involved. I thought is was interesting that Dr. Phil was trying to help them save the image of show rather than their marriage! I think Kate has moved on and her number 1 priority is the show. These other adventures are to try and get her out there for when there is no show. He has his own film crew and she has her own film crew--how long is that going to last. Kate goes on all the freebie trips while Jon stays home and plays dressup??
I think Jon had much more to say, but the editing must of really ate up a lot of that 3 hrs.

 

[ead79]

I've got a quick question for y'all. I didn't get a chance to watch the interview yet, so I'm not sure how Jon phrased the info about his therapy.

Did Jon say definitively that it was marriage therapy? I'm betting that it was individual therapy, not specifically marriage therapy. Then it would make some sense about why Kate wouldn't go. Perhaps she thinks she doesn't need individual therapy, and thus she wasn't interested since it wasn't marriage therapy per se. But what on earth kind of therapist is Jon seeing that costs $22,000! Yikes!

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

So I'm wondering if we can tabulate them all?

Here's what I have so far for Jon:
this interview
the interview with E!, but that was canned by TLC, so I wouldn't count it
an interview in People (thanks Buckalew, for remembering where that was)
3 "interviews" at the fence (one about Vegas, one about the police, and one about something else)

Jon has given a few interviews to the paps that follow him. I remember one in an airport, one getting into his car (the one where he says Kevin & Jody know nothing about their lives), another one with he and Hailey at an ice cream type place, and a couple while he is walking through the streets of NY. So while Jon hasn't done as many sit downs, he has his share of talking to the paps. I don't think Kate has spoken to those that follow her once.

 

[Mickey527]

In regards to Kate's "fancy" night out on the night of the interview.
When exactly does she have time for her kids that she says she does everything for?
She works out every day, goes to get her nails done etc... all can be done during school.
Who is watching her kids when it is supposed to be her time with them? She is going out to dinner when she should be home checking the kids homework and putting them to bed.
She is out shooting guns when she should be on vacation with her boys and enjoying them.
I am sure there are other things that won't come to my mind right now.
Other than Jon talking to the paps at the gate it seems like when it is his time with the kids he is there for the entire time. You don't hear about him leaving to go to LV or anywhere else on his days with them.
I was divorced and spent every night when I had my boys with them at home or visiting friends. I didn't dum,p them with a sitter or nanny so I could go out.
My son is divorced now and he has custody of his (4 years old today) son and he spends every day with him unless it is visitation day with mom. He does go to visit friends, but those who have children. He sees his single friends or dates when his son is with his mom.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

In regards to Kate's "fancy" night out on the night of the interview.
When exactly does she have time for her kids that she says she does everything for?
She works out every day, goes to get her nails done etc... all can be done during school.
Who is watching her kids when it is supposed to be her time with them? She is going out to dinner when she should be home checking the kids homework and putting them to bed.
She is out shooting guns when she should be on vacation with her boys and enjoying them.
I am sure there are other things that won't come to my mind right now.
Other than Jon talking to the paps at the gate it seems like when it is his time with the kids he is there for the entire time. You don't hear about him leaving to go to LV or anywhere else on his days with them.
I was divorced and spent every night when I had my boys with them at home or visiting friends. I didn't dum,p them with a sitter or nanny so I could go out.
My son is divorced now and he has custody of his (4 years old today) son and he spends every day with him unless it is visitation day with mom. He does go to visit friends, but those who have children. He sees his single friends or dates when his son is with his mom.

Last night is the first time that I can remember Kate being photographed going out at night since the seperation started. Jon has left the children numerous times to go out and party or ride his motorcycle.

Personally, as long as the children are being well cared for I think both parents have a right to also have some time for themselves. Most people also don't have 8 small children, so I would think the need for a break would be even greater.