Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 6

[DVCisME]

In regards to Kate's "fancy" night out on the night of the interview.
When exactly does she have time for her kids that she says she does everything for?
She works out every day, goes to get her nails done etc... all can be done during school.
Who is watching her kids when it is supposed to be her time with them? She is going out to dinner when she should be home checking the kids homework and putting them to bed.
She is out shooting guns when she should be on vacation with her boys and enjoying them.
I am sure there are other things that won't come to my mind right now.
Other than Jon talking to the paps at the gate it seems like when it is his time with the kids he is there for the entire time. You don't hear about him leaving to go to LV or anywhere else on his days with them.
I was divorced and spent every night when I had my boys with them at home or visiting friends. I didn't dum,p them with a sitter or nanny so I could go out.
My son is divorced now and he has custody of his (4 years old today) son and he spends every day with him unless it is visitation day with mom. He does go to visit friends, but those who have children. He sees his single friends or dates when his son is with his mom.

I totally agree with what you are saying! And happy birthday to your grandson! I also think that Jon's interview is the truth- and not just as he sees it. I don't think he would lie about anything because I don't think he even cares that much about hurting Kate. I think his objective was to get some things off his chest. Jon seems like the type of person that lying about the show probably weighed on his shoulders. He need a chance to answer some of the questions that are being asked. I also thought that the interviewer Chris, should have kept some of his opinions to himself. For example, telling Jon that he shouldn't say he despises Kate. Jon made the comment he is entitled to it, just as she only hesitates to say things about Jon for dramatic reasons.
I believe that what he went through was abuse. I also feel that the comments that some believe will hurt his kids, might actually have no bearing on them. If Kate is like that to Jon, I would imagine the behavior is the same to the kids. Her controlling nature is more extreme and she makes some very nasty comments. The kids could feel some of what Jon is saying and by the time they really understand what he is saying, they will probably feel the same way.

 

[madge]

I am afraid this interview will come back to haunt him.

you may be right. and I think, on some level, Jon knows this. I got the sense that he felt like he didn't have anything to lose by giving the interview.

we'll see!

 

[MusiqChic99]

I found him to be very believable. I want to believe that jon was telling the truth at least as how he knows it to me. I don't think he's bright enough to be very calculated and planned. I think he speaks with passion--whether it is right or wrong, truth or lie--I think it is all very real to him. You know, HIS perception.

OTOH, I think Kate has her own perception AND I think Kate can make more calculated and planned answers. I think she thinks things through more often than Jon does before she speaks. Therefore, it does not seem "from her emotions" as he kept calling it and it is rehearsed and what she is supposed to say. So, I think that makes him seem more "real" to me.

I thought he did fine. He seemed relieved to be be able to air all these things. While I think it is horrible to say something such as "I love Hailey more than I ever loved Kate"--he may think that, believe that and it might the truth for him but I do not think he should have ever, ever said that. Not for Kate's sake--but for the kids' sake. I would be absolutely crushed if my mother ever said she loved the new man in her life more than she loved my father (granted he passed away but still) it would be crushing and I'd absolutely resent her saying something like that. Please, Jon, keep that type thing to yourself. Of course now it is already said and just like toothpaste--you can't put it back in the tube once it is squeezed out.

I thought a lot of what he was saying made logical sense with what we were seeing. if she came to him in October at the dining room table table and wondered why she had ever married him, and he said it was totally out of the blue, well, the renewal could have been on the up and up in August. Was oct. when they moved into the new house? Then he moved to the garage and was paying for a house he wasn't even living in, so to speak. $22,000 in counseling bills??? Geez... that's a lot!

I would love to know what happened to end the marriage--why wouldn't she go to counseling? I found it very interesting that Jon felt like he knew EXACTLY when the marriage ended and she ...just...wasn't sure...when...that happened...so much had transpired...it was all running together...
While a lot has happened, I would think you'd sort of know--just like he felt he knew. Things that make you go hmm....

I agree with you on everything.

As for loving Hailey more...well I think he loves how she is SO different from Kate...I dont know if he loves her more. I just don't see them doing the happily ever after. Of course everything is possible but I just dont see it. No matter what, he shouldn't be saying that on TV. However I think Kate says things she shouldn't say either. They both need to shut up.

I think Kate knows but she is attached to the show and TLC. She is creating the image that needs to be there. TLC was fine with keeping up the charade of them being a happy family. However Jon was living in an apartment above the garage. Come on!

I did catch myself feeling bad for Jon last night. I feel bad for Kate too. I think they are both on a bad path...maybe in different ways but they still aren't walking the right way for their kids.

I know I would feel like crap if I knew my parents were in magazines and TV talking about the other one. And now is a he said, she said battle. What are the kids going to believe???

 

[LoraJ]

In regards to Kate's "fancy" night out on the night of the interview.
When exactly does she have time for her kids that she says she does everything for?
She works out every day, goes to get her nails done etc... all can be done during school.
Who is watching her kids when it is supposed to be her time with them? She is going out to dinner when she should be home checking the kids homework and putting them to bed.
She is out shooting guns when she should be on vacation with her boys and enjoying them.
I am sure there are other things that won't come to my mind right now.
Other than Jon talking to the paps at the gate it seems like when it is his time with the kids he is there for the entire time. You don't hear about him leaving to go to LV or anywhere else on his days with them.
I was divorced and spent every night when I had my boys with them at home or visiting friends. I didn't dum,p them with a sitter or nanny so I could go out.
My son is divorced now and he has custody of his (4 years old today) son and he spends every day with him unless it is visitation day with mom. He does go to visit friends, but those who have children. He sees his single friends or dates when his son is with his mom.

Not sure if you know this, but it is actually healthy to not hover over your children every waking moment of the day.

I should tell my friend she should worry about CPS coming since she works out all morning instead of spending every minute with her daughter.

I should call my parents and tell them how abusive they were for going out every other Thursday when i was a kid and leaving us with a babysitter. Even though my brother and I adored our babysitter.

And all of those abusive parents who go on cruises and put their kids into the kids camp program while they do adult things. How dare they not smother their children and let them grow to be individuals.

 

[redrosesix]

I've got a quick question for y'all. I didn't get a chance to watch the interview yet, so I'm not sure how Jon phrased the info about his therapy.

Did Jon say definitively that it was marriage therapy? I'm betting that it was individual therapy, not specifically marriage therapy. Then it would make some sense about why Kate wouldn't go. Perhaps she thinks she doesn't need individual therapy, and thus she wasn't interested since it wasn't marriage therapy per se. But what on earth kind of therapist is Jon seeing that costs $22,000! Yikes!

Yes, he said he asked her to go to marriage counseling but she said no so he went by himself.

Jon has given a few interviews to the paps that follow him. I remember one in an airport, one getting into his car (the one where he says Kevin & Jody know nothing about their lives), another one with he and Hailey at an ice cream type place, and a couple while he is walking through the streets of NY. So while Jon hasn't done as many sit downs, he has his share of talking to the paps. I don't think Kate has spoken to those that follow her once.

IMO, providing a couple of answers to the paps as he was walking through the airport does not constitute an interview -- especially when his only real answer to them was "You'll have to ask Kate" Certainly these situations can't be looked at in the same way as Kate doing LKL.

And although Kate may not have answered their questions, JMHO but I think that many of those photo opps were planned by her PR people (I think some of Jon's were too) -- remember the one of her photocopying financial records for the divorce, and then the public statement re the reason she was doing it?

And from what I understand, Jon never completely ignores fans or other people asking questions, even if it's just to placate them. That may be considered a fault of his, but IMO most of the things he has said in these sound bites weren't very revealing.

 

[DVCisME]

Not sure if you know this, but it is actually healthy to not hover over your children every waking moment of the day.

I should tell my friend she should worry about CPS coming since she works out all morning instead of spending every minute with her daughter.

I should call my parents and tell them how abusive they were for going out every other Thursday when i was a kid and leaving us with a babysitter. Even though my brother and I adored our babysitter.

And all of those abusive parents who go on cruises and put their kids into the kids camp program while they do adult things. How dare they not smother their children and let them grow to be individuals.

The comments are not directed to any situation except Jon and Kate, the people who would never use a nanny or a daycare and who do EVERYTHING for there kids.

 

[redrosesix]

Jon is happy banging cocktail waiteress over the gararge when he has his kids tucked into bed after he rolls in from the bar for the evening. He also hires them when he is done with them to babysit so he can go back to the bar.

IMO, one tabloid article is not enough to make me believe somebody does something all of the time. There were plenty of articles about Kate and Steve having an affair, but I refused to believe those without corroboration from a better source -- I have to give the same courtesy to Jon.

 

[redrosesix]

I agree with you on everything.

As for loving Hailey more...well I think he loves how she is SO different from Kate...I dont know if he loves her more. I just don't see them doing the happily ever after. Of course everything is possible but I just dont see it. No matter what, he shouldn't be saying that on TV. However I think Kate says things she shouldn't say either. They both need to shut up.

I think Kate knows but she is attached to the show and TLC. She is creating the image that needs to be there. TLC was fine with keeping up the charade of them being a happy family. However Jon was living in an apartment above the garage. Come on!

I did catch myself feeling bad for Jon last night. I feel bad for Kate too. I think they are both on a bad path...maybe in different ways but they still aren't walking the right way for their kids.

I know I would feel like crap if I knew my parents were in magazines and TV talking about the other one. And now is a he said, she said battle. What are the kids going to believe???

When he said that he loves her because she is so different from Kate, it just confirmed for me that Hailey is going to be "transitional girl." IMO, this relationship is also doomed.

Jon really needs to take some time for himself (although a lot of men can't stand being by themselves, even after a failed marriage).

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

IMO, providing a couple of answers to the paps as he was walking through the airport does not constitute an interview -- especially when his only real answer to them was "You'll have to ask Kate" Certainly these situations can't be looked at in the same way as Kate doing LKL.

And although Kate may not have answered their questions, JMHO but I think that many of those photo opps were planned by her PR people (I think some of Jon's were too) -- remember the one of her photocopying financial records for the divorce, and then the public statement re the reason she was doing it?

And from what I understand, Jon never completely ignores fans or other people asking questions, even if it's just to placate them. That may be considered a fault of his, but IMO most of the things he has said in these sound bites weren't very revealing.

You asked if we could tabulate all the interviews they had done and included Jon's fence sessions in your own tally. The ones I mentioned are no different than talking at the fence. Revealing or not, Jon was talking.

It is my opinion that talking to the trash that follows and hounds you perpetuates the madness just as much as doing "real" interviews.

 

[walden]

I found him to be very believable. I want to believe that jon was telling the truth at least as how he knows it to me. I don't think he's bright enough to be very calculated and planned. I think he speaks with passion--whether it is right or wrong, truth or lie--I think it is all very real to him. You know, HIS perception.

OTOH, I think Kate has her own perception AND I think Kate can make more calculated and planned answers. I think she thinks things through more often than Jon does before she speaks. Therefore, it does not seem "from her emotions" as he kept calling it and it is rehearsed and what she is supposed to say. So, I think that makes him seem more "real" to me.

I thought he did fine. He seemed relieved to be be able to air all these things. While I think it is horrible to say something such as "I love Hailey more than I ever loved Kate"--he may think that, believe that and it might the truth for him but I do not think he should have ever, ever said that. Not for Kate's sake--but for the kids' sake. I would be absolutely crushed if my mother ever said she loved the new man in her life more than she loved my father (granted he passed away but still) it would be crushing and I'd absolutely resent her saying something like that. Please, Jon, keep that type thing to yourself. Of course now it is already said and just like toothpaste--you can't put it back in the tube once it is squeezed out.

I thought a lot of what he was saying made logical sense with what we were seeing. if she came to him in October at the dining room table table and wondered why she had ever married him, and he said it was totally out of the blue, well, the renewal could have been on the up and up in August. Was oct. when they moved into the new house? Then he moved to the garage and was paying for a house he wasn't even living in, so to speak. $22,000 in counseling bills??? Geez... that's a lot!

I would love to know what happened to end the marriage--why wouldn't she go to counseling? I found it very interesting that Jon felt like he knew EXACTLY when the marriage ended and she ...just...wasn't sure...when...that happened...so much had transpired...it was all running together...While a lot has happened, I would think you'd sort of know--just like he felt he knew. Things that make you go hmm....

I found him very credible too. He confirmed many of the *red flags* of an abusive relationship that I mentioned up-thread. He also mentioned that his Dad and grandfather were alcoholics. Adult children of alcoholics often have co-dependencies which make them more vulnerable to abusive relationships.

I was slightly relieved that his "despising" Kate came across a bit better in context (as in more relevant to her recent behaviour), but I don't think he should have said it. As to why Kate supposedly refused counseling -- again classic behaviour from an abuser. Why should she need counseling? It was all his fault.

I guess I'm not surprised that they have both chosen to fight this out in public. I should think that 100+ episodes of a "reality show" rather blurs the normal boundaries of privacy. But enough is enough! They should both stop talking, stop giving interviews, and stop releasing statements! Talk to your attorneys and the judge only.

And get your children some therapy too! Poor things.

I've got a quick question for y'all. I didn't get a chance to watch the interview yet, so I'm not sure how Jon phrased the info about his therapy.

Did Jon say definitively that it was marriage therapy? I'm betting that it was individual therapy, not specifically marriage therapy. Then it would make some sense about why Kate wouldn't go. Perhaps she thinks she doesn't need individual therapy, and thus she wasn't interested since it wasn't marriage therapy per se. But what on earth kind of therapist is Jon seeing that costs $22,000! Yikes!

Yikes, indeed! Have they no health insurance? Most plans cover short-term therapy. And, yes, I'd guess it was individual therapy as Kate refused to go.

$22,000? How many hours did he have??? Holy cow, I want to move to PA and hang out a shingle.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

Jon is happy banging cocktail waiteress over the gararge when he has his kids tucked into bed after he rolls in from the bar for the evening. He also hires them when he is done with them to babysit so he can go back to the bar.

It did occur to me last night that perhaps one of his new friends stole his wedding ring. The peeps he has chosen to spend time with do not have the best reputations.

 

[LoraJ]

Defensive much, geez.

1 post troll much, geez.

Just pointing out another side people fail to see.


Thanks that are so horrible when Kate does it, but just fine for other people to do.

 

[MusiqChic99]

When he said that he loves her because she is so different from Kate, it just confirmed for me that Hailey is going to be "transitional girl." IMO, this relationship is also doomed.

Jon really needs to take some time for himself (although a lot of men can't stand being by themselves, even after a failed marriage).

It is very different that's for sure. Jon wants someone to love him and Kate said she would be ok if she never dated again.

And yes...Hailey is the rebound girl. She's 22...she'll understand that when she's older.

 

[Nancy]

1 post troll much, geez.

Just point out another side people fail to see.

I agree with you Lora. I was home with my kids during the day when they were little. During the summer I had a "moms helper" come in at least one a week so I could have some me time. Sometimes I was home and just needed uninterrupted cleaning time..sometimes I left the house and :gasp: got my nails done or went and walked the mall. Kids loved having someone else other than Mom.

DH and I would go away for a weekend and leave them with Grandma, we'd also go out to eat once in a while and they'd have a babysitter. And then there were football Sundays...we'd leave the house before noon and be gone until after dinner. I don't think we damage our kids too bad though they all seem to be pretty well adjusted adults now. (or almost adults)

 

[southernbelle5672]

Does anyone have a link to the video of the interview. I set my DVR to record but it ended early because I ran out of space.

 

[MusiqChic99]

I agree with you Lora. I was home with my kids during the day when they were little. During the summer I had a "moms helper" come in at least one a week so I could have some me time. Sometimes I was home and just needed uninterrupted cleaning time..sometimes I left the house and :gasp: got my nails done or went and walked the mall. Kids loved having someone else other than Mom.

DH and I would go away for a weekend and leave them with Grandma, we'd also go out to eat once in a while and they'd have a babysitter. And then there were football Sundays...we'd leave the house before noon and be gone until after dinner. I don't think we damage our kids too bad though they all seem to be pretty well adjusted adults now. (or almost adults)

I think it's good for a kid not to be with their parents all the time. They gain some independence that way. I plan date nights with my DH every 2 or 3 months so that my son will stay the night with his grandma. I want him to be ok with that. My Aunt's kids never want to stay anywhere because they never have. They don't grasp it. When I was in the hospital after sugery is helped a lot that my son was ok going other places because he had to stay somewhere else (dh works nights)

I work out every night with my son. He likes to dance to the music. I do my dishes and laundry and clean, all with him right there. But I'm not "playing" with him every minute either. If I had the resources to only be a mom and nothing else, heck I'd take it in a heartbeat but otherwise I'm a office slave, doctor, housekeeper, toy fixer, cook, shopper etc. Maybe I should be super mom.

 

[Nancy]

It is very different that's for sure. Jon wants someone to love him and Kate said she would be ok if she never dated again.

And yes...Hailey is the rebound girl. She's 22...she'll understand that when she's older.

I was surprised that he said something to the fact that he loves her more than he loved Kate...trying to remember the exact words since I was half asleep when watching it.


I also thought that in parts he sounded very angry. I think he still has issues he needs to deal with. Of course so does Kate. I do think they both could have benefited from marriage counseling and not with that hack Doctor Phil

 

[madge]

Sort of reminds me of when Princess Di showed up all decked out for an event when Prince Charles was doing some sort of TV interview.

Nancy

sometimes, the parallels between the two stories are amazing.

 

[mrsksomeday]

I think Kate probably did take his ring. He says he took it off. Well, if my DH took his wedding ring off under these circumstances, I'd snatch it up also. And put it away for his boys.

It wasn't Kate's ring to take. It was his ring and if he made the decision to take it off his finger that doesn't mean it is for anyone to take. People would freak out if Kate had taken her rings off and Jon took them.

 

[madge]

I found him to be very believable. I want to believe that jon was telling the truth at least as how he knows it to me. I don't think he's bright enough to be very calculated and planned. I think he speaks with passion--whether it is right or wrong, truth or lie--I think it is all very real to him. You know, HIS perception.

OTOH, I think Kate has her own perception AND I think Kate can make more calculated and planned answers. I think she thinks things through more often than Jon does before she speaks. Therefore, it does not seem "from her emotions" as he kept calling it and it is rehearsed and what she is supposed to say. So, I think that makes him seem more "real" to me.

I thought he did fine. He seemed relieved to be be able to air all these things. While I think it is horrible to say something such as "I love Hailey more than I ever loved Kate"--he may think that, believe that and it might the truth for him but I do not think he should have ever, ever said that. Not for Kate's sake--but for the kids' sake. I would be absolutely crushed if my mother ever said she loved the new man in her life more than she loved my father (granted he passed away but still) it would be crushing and I'd absolutely resent her saying something like that. Please, Jon, keep that type thing to yourself. Of course now it is already said and just like toothpaste--you can't put it back in the tube once it is squeezed out.

I thought a lot of what he was saying made logical sense with what we were seeing. if she came to him in October at the dining room table table and wondered why she had ever married him, and he said it was totally out of the blue, well, the renewal could have been on the up and up in August. Was oct. when they moved into the new house? Then he moved to the garage and was paying for a house he wasn't even living in, so to speak. $22,000 in counseling bills??? Geez... that's a lot!

I would love to know what happened to end the marriage--why wouldn't she go to counseling? I found it very interesting that Jon felt like he knew EXACTLY when the marriage ended and she ...just...wasn't sure...when...that happened...so much had transpired...it was all running together...
While a lot has happened, I would think you'd sort of know--just like he felt he knew. Things that make you go hmm....

very well put!