Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 6

[TanyaLovesPooh]

It is very different that's for sure. Jon wants someone to love him and Kate said she would be ok if she never dated again.

And yes...Hailey is the rebound girl. She's 22...she'll understand that when she's older.

What bothered me most about Jon's interview last night was the section about Hailey. He admitted that his association with her could cost him his kids, cost him custody. Okay, if that is true then "goodbye Hailey". I know he went on to say that he doesn't think it will but if there is even the slightest chance...It was like, I love her so much that it could even cost me my kids.

I just wish Jon would wake up and start thinking, give it some time, give himself some time. Put Hailey and others on the back burner for now.

 

[MusiqChic99]

It wasn't Kate's ring to take. It was his ring and if he made the decision to take it off his finger that doesn't mean it is for anyone to take. People would freak out if Kate had taken her rings off and Jon took them.

It would have been chaos if that would have happened!!!!

OT....Hi neighbor....well kinda.. I'm from Southern Illnois too but more east then you are!

 

[DreaGirl]

I agree with you Lora. I was home with my kids during the day when they were little. During the summer I had a "moms helper" come in at least one a week so I could have some me time. Sometimes I was home and just needed uninterrupted cleaning time..sometimes I left the house and :gasp: got my nails done or went and walked the mall. Kids loved having someone else other than Mom.

DH and I would go away for a weekend and leave them with Grandma, we'd also go out to eat once in a while and they'd have a babysitter. And then there were football Sundays...we'd leave the house before noon and be gone until after dinner. I don't think we damage our kids too bad though they all seem to be pretty well adjusted adults now. (or almost adults)

The difference here is that you were not gone 2-3 weekends/15 days a month traveling, gone for 1/2 a week so that the kids would have shared custody with their father. She has them 3-4 days a week, and on one of her nights she chooses to go out.

I don't think anyone should spend 24-7 with their kids, it's not healthy for the kids or the parent. But when you go around saying things like: "I breathe for my kids" "I do everything for my kids" and then you are seen getting your nails done, running errands, tanning, going out, when you have time with the kids (which is limited) it makes you question it a bit. I would question the same thing about Jon, but it seems that his activities are after bedtime, so the kids are sleeping.

What time was the photo taken? Were the kids already in bed?

 

[MusiqChic99]

What bothered me most about Jon's interview last night was the section about Hailey. He admitted that his association with her could cost him his kids, cost him custody. Okay, if that is true then "goodbye Hailey". I know he went on to say that he doesn't think it will but if there is even the slightest chance...It was like, I love her so much that it could even cost me my kids.

I just wish Jon would wake up and start thinking, give it some time, give himself some time. Put Hailey and others on the back burner for now.

I agree that Jon shouldn't date right now....especially one where he thinks he loves her so much. However if the marriage has been over for so long, then he probably thinks he did wait.

And yes if he thinks this will cost him his kids, he should pick his kids first. That's obvious.

Kate and Jon both have issues. This is far from over.

 

[DreaGirl]

It wasn't Kate's ring to take. It was his ring and if he made the decision to take it off his finger that doesn't mean it is for anyone to take. People would freak out if Kate had taken her rings off and Jon took them.

You are so right. There would have been h-e-double hockey sticks to pay! I'm sure there would have been at least one People article about it.

 

[DreaGirl]

I agree that Jon shouldn't date right now....especially one where he thinks he loves her so much. However if the marriage has been over for so long, then he probably thinks he did wait.

And yes if he thinks this will cost him his kids, he should pick his kids first. That's obvious.

Kate and Jon both have issues. This is far from over.

Jon strikes me as the type of person that always has to have someone, someone who hates to be alone. In his mind I'm sure he is thinking this has been over since October, so why wait. Who knows, they are both so strange.

This is just going to get nastier because although they both say they want things to be "private" they just can't turn down the spotlight for one minute.

 

[LoraJ]

The difference here is that you were not gone 2-3 weekends/15 days a month traveling, gone for 1/2 a week so that the kids would have shared custody with their father. She has them 3-4 days a week, and on one of her nights she chooses to go out.

I don't think anyone should spend 24-7 with their kids, it's not healthy for the kids or the parent. But when you go around saying things like: "I breathe for my kids" "I do everything for my kids" and then you are seen getting your nails done, running errands, tanning, going out, when you have time with the kids (which is limited) it makes you question it a bit. I would question the same thing about Jon, but it seems that his activities are after bedtime, so the kids are sleeping.

What time was the photo taken? Were the kids already in bed?

We're not even sure where they were going to. Was it a special event? Someone's birthday? An award ceremony?

 

[Buckalew11]

It wasn't Kate's ring to take. It was his ring and if he made the decision to take it off his finger that doesn't mean it is for anyone to take. People would freak out if Kate had taken her rings off and Jon took them.

Well, that was just my opinion. You have yours and I have mine. That's fair. If Kate had taken off her rings and laid them down and Jon took them, I would equally not have an issue with that.

Maybe people would have freaked out but I wouldn't be one of them. And FWIW, Jon doesn't know for a fact that Kate took the ring. He assumes she did. And I think he's probably right. I guess I think of weddings rings a little differently--his is mine and mine is his.

 

[Buckalew11]

We're not even sure where they were going to. Was it a special event? Someone's birthday? An award ceremony?

Kate has what looks like a gift bag in one hand. I think it was an occasion.

 

[MusiqChic99]

Well, that was just my opinion. You have yours and I have mine. That's fair. If Kate had taken off her rings and laid them down and Jon took them, I would equally not have an issue with that.

Maybe people would have freaked out but I wouldn't be one of them. And FWIW, Jon doesn't know for a fact that Kate took the ring. He assumes she did. And I think he's probably right. I guess I think of weddings rings a little differently--his is mine and mine is his.

But why would she want it???

She still wears hers...did she not want him to wear his???

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

We're not even sure where they were going to. Was it a special event? Someone's birthday? An award ceremony?

Good point. Also it can be argued that by taking care of yourself you are taking care of your children and doing for them. Taking care of yourself includes time to enjoy yourself, which every parent needs. Besides that perhaps the kids were getting ready for bed or in bed since it was a school night.

 

[LoraJ]

But why would she want it???

She still wears hers...did she not want him to wear his???

It is strange. Maybe when she found out about Hailey she flushed it down the toilet in a rage.

Or one of the dogs ate it.

Or he took it off and lost it and wants to blame Kate.

 

[madge]

Personally, as long as the children are being well cared for I think both parents have a right to also have some time for themselves. Most people also don't have 8 small children, so I would think the need for a break would be even greater.

I agree that moms need a break. Absolutely, 100% correct.

But Kate's children are in school for several hours a day, at least 3 days a week. The Gosselin children are no longer as needy as they were a couple of years ago -- they can entertain themselves, are potty trained, can feed themselves, dress themselves, etc. At this age, it's more about crowd control than anything else. And she has help for that.

I'm not denying a mom's need for a night out. I'm really not .. but I'm not sure I completely agree with your reasoning.

and we don't know what the reason for being dressed up was, do we? could have been a fundraiser, very special occasion, etc.

 

[redrosesix]

You asked if we could tabulate all the interviews they had done and included Jon's fence sessions in your own tally. The ones I mentioned are no different than talking at the fence. Revealing or not, Jon was talking.

It is my opinion that talking to the trash that follows and hounds you perpetuates the madness just as much as doing "real" interviews.

That might be true, but Kate never answers their questions and that hasn't seemed to stop them. IMO, the only thing that will stop the madness is if they both shut up and lay low, completely. For example, Kate not only gets prodded for answers about Jon's behaviour, she also gets questioned about things that she has said in interviews.

I included the fence sessions because those seemed more like real interviews ie. TLC had a gag order on him, so he went to the fence to get his side of the story out.

Another thing I didn't include was the numerous stories that were written citing "sources" -- the tabloids often just say that to cover their butts -- although there was a story recently (can't remember now, sorry) where it seemed like the info in it could only have come from Kate and/or her PR people.

 

[WaltD4Me]

It is strange. Maybe when she found out about Hailey she flushed it down the toilet in a rage.

Or one of the dogs ate it.

Or he took it off and lost it and wants to blame Kate.

I can totally see Kate taking Jon's ring if she found it laying around, but I can also see Mady or Cara picking it up and wanting to hold on to it. I can also see Jon just misplacing it or someone else not in the family pocketing it too. I think there are several plausible scenarios of what happened to his ring.

 

[kidshop]

I agree that moms need a break. Absolutely, 100% correct.

But Kate's children are in school for several hours a day, at least 3 days a week. The Gosselin children are no longer as needy as they were a couple of years ago -- they can entertain themselves, are potty trained, can feed themselves, dress themselves, etc. At this age, it's more about crowd control than anything else. And she has help for that.

I'm not denying a mom's need for a night out. I'm really not .. but I'm not sure I completely agree with your reasoning.

and we don't know what the reason for being dressed up was, do we? could have been a fundraiser, very special occasion, etc.

I kind of wish I had watched the interview!

I don't think the Gosselin kids are in danger of being smothered by their parents. I don't think Kate or Jon are short on 'me' time.

Sometimes kids may have a need for their parents to be around that, yes, even trumps the parent's own wants (shocking, I know). Going through a really nasty public divorce of your parents may require some extra love and comfort the 3-4 days a week you have custody.

 

[mrsksomeday]

It would have been chaos if that would have happened!!!!

OT....Hi neighbor....well kinda.. I'm from Southern Illnois too but more east then you are!

Hello neighbor, it is a Small World after all .

You are so right. There would have been h-e-double hockey sticks to pay! I'm sure there would have been at least one People article about it.

Oh not just an article, a cover .

 

[madge]

http://entertainment.blogs.foxnews....s-close-to-home-when-jon-has-kids/?test=faces

I guess Kate is taking the high road by not talking, but she's allowing her sources/friends to speak for her ...

IMO, someone needs to give Kate a show, so she can either succeed or fail ... end the suspense, already. Jon is hell-bent on determining his own path ... and I'm not sure he knows what that is. He may never know. They're both in it for themselves and the money, not for the children. They need to quit hiding behind that premise and be honest with themselves and their fans.

I swear, I think I've reached the end of the road with this thing. Seriously. If I didn't enjoy this thread so much, I'm not sure I'd even still be following the story.

 

[DMRick]

What bothered me most about Jon's interview last night was the section about Hailey. He admitted that his association with her could cost him his kids, cost him custody. Okay, if that is true then "goodbye Hailey". I know he went on to say that he doesn't think it will but if there is even the slightest chance...It was like, I love her so much that it could even cost me my kids.

I just wish Jon would wake up and start thinking, give it some time, give himself some time. Put Hailey and others on the back burner for now.

 

[LoraJ]

Hi Doris!

Are you back?