Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 6

[redrosesix]

http://entertainment.blogs.foxnews....s-close-to-home-when-jon-has-kids/?test=faces

I guess Kate is taking the high road by not talking, but she's allowing her sources/friends to speak for her ...

IMO, someone needs to give Kate a show, so she can either succeed or fail ... end the suspense, already. Jon is hell-bent on determining his own path ... and I'm not sure he knows what that is. He may never know. They're both in it for themselves and the money, not for the children. They need to quit hiding behind that premise and be honest with themselves and their fans.

I swear, I think I've reached the end of the road with this thing. Seriously. If I didn't enjoy this thread so much, I'm not sure I'd even still be following the story.

ITA! Wondering if Jon's re-thinking the public career after being heckled in Vegas, because that looked nothing less than awkward. Maybe he could be an executive producer or something, but I just don't see him doing media. Kate needs to get out there without a script and see if she can pull it off too, as well as make sure she can get along with the crew of a show -- those reports of her not being so nice to get along with at interviews are not going to enhance her career options.

Which reminds me, do we have any reports of ex-TLC staffers commenting on life behind the scenes?

 

[mousey]

http://entertainment.blogs.foxnews....s-close-to-home-when-jon-has-kids/?test=faces

I guess Kate is taking the high road by not talking, but she's allowing her sources/friends to speak for her ...

IMO, someone needs to give Kate a show, so she can either succeed or fail ... end the suspense, already. Jon is hell-bent on determining his own path ... and I'm not sure he knows what that is. He may never know. They're both in it for themselves and the money, not for the children. They need to quit hiding behind that premise and be honest with themselves and their fans.

I swear, I think I've reached the end of the road with this thing. Seriously. If I didn't enjoy this thread so much, I'm not sure I'd even still be following the story.

I totally agree with you Madge--enough already with the suspense!
They are definately both realizing that the gravy train is coming to a stop. Kate will do anything to keep it going. Jon on the other hand, hurt, angry, he wants to put a stop to Kate's dream. The kids are the reason for the show--but Jon & Kate plus 8 is no longer and is definately not the same with Mommy and 3 boys vacation at expensive Dude ranch. Mommy and Mady fly to SanDiego for a pedicure. Jon takes Cara & Mady to the game room.

I think panic mode has set in. Kate is not releasing any statement herself, but her friends are. At least Jon had the guts to stand up for himself and admit that he went to counseling and has been watching how much he drinks, etc....Kate is phoney as baloney. Always was and always will be. Actions speak louder than words and she does the opposite of what comes out of her mouth. One of us is always home with the kids--well no Kate, not if Jon is in NY and your going out for the evening. Granted the parents don't have to be around these kids 24/7, don't add to the fire by making statements that you never leave your kids with anyone.

I think this is going to get very ugly. With the divorce almost final, even Dr. Phil doesn't want to try and save the Gosselins.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

http://entertainment.blogs.foxnews....s-close-to-home-when-jon-has-kids/?test=faces

Kate is also committed to staying close to her kids, even when she turns the children over to Jon under their back-and-forth custody agreement. When Jon has custody, Kate tries to stay within 10 miles of the house in case there is an emergency, says the insider.

I totally believe that, good for her!

Hi Doris, hope you are all having a wonderful time!

I think panic mode has set in. Kate is not releasing any statement herself, but her friends are. At least Jon had the guts to stand up for himself

Jon has done plenty of that himself.

 

[newtodis]

Although Jon Gosselin is sick of his reality show "nightmare" and wants a typical 9 to 5 job, we wondered if he'd actually be able to handle the monetary blow. We did the math and have to admit, he'd have to work much harder for his money.

Gosselin says he works 24 hours a day, 7 days a week as a reality star on 'Jon and Kate Plus 8,' and reportedly makes about $75,000 per episode (and there were 42 episodes last season.) So how many hours would he need to work a day at a 9 to 5 job to meet his super-sized salary? More hours than any day has! To put it into perspective, if Gosselin followed in his father's footsteps and became a dentist (who makes an average annual salary of $141,000 in New York City), he would need to work 536 hours a day, 7 days a week to keep up with his reality show salary.

If Gosselin wanted to take back his old job as an IT Analyst (who makes an average annual salary of $88,000 in New York City), he'd need to work 859 hours a day, 7 days a week.

Sweating to the oldies with Jon Gosselin? It could happen if he became a fitness trainer (who makes an average annual salary of $44,000 in New York City). But Gosselin would need to work 1,720 hours a day, 7 days a week.

If he got behind the wheel as a New York City taxi driver (who makes an average annual salary of $27,000 in New York City), he would need to work 2,800 hours a day, 7 days a week. (Tips not included.)

Gosselin could turn the tables and become a celebrity reporter (who makes an average annual salary of $70,000 in New York City), but he'd need to work 1,080 hours a day, 7 days a week. And hey, a little bird told us Star Magazine is looking for a replacement.

Although things never panned out with Ed Hardy designer Christian Audigier, Gosselin could start his own line. If he became a fashion designer (who makes an average annual salary of $79,000 in New York City), he would need to work 957 hours a day, 7 days a week.

Gosselin could literally be bringing home the bacon if he became a butcher (who makes an average annual salary of $32,000 in New York City). But he'd have to work 2,364 hours a day, 7 days a week.

He is pretty good with kids -- so it wouldn't be a stretch if he became a kindergarten teacher (who makes an average annual salary of $63,000 in New York City). But to earn the same amount of money, Mr. Gosselin would need to average 1,200 hours a day, 7 days a week.

If the kindergarten class doesn't work out, perhaps he can stay within the education system as a health instructor (who makes an average annual salary of $48,000 in New York City). Although he knows a thing or two about family planning, he'd have to work 1,576 hours a day, 7 days a week.

And if those wild nights partying with girlfriend Hailey Glassman get too expensive, he could give her a round "on the house" as a bartender (who makes an average annual salary of $28,000 in New York City). But he'd need to work 2,704 hours a day, 7 days a week.

http://www.popeater.com/2009/08/25/pop-10-jon-gosselins-9-to-5-job-options/

 

[newtodis]

On television, “Jon & Kate Plus 8” has been a ratings bonanza. But as any divorce lawyer will tell you, “Jon Minus Kate” could be a complex financial maze — with college tuition alone posing a million-dollar dilemma.

As the media spectacle of Jon and Kate Gosselin’s separation — disclosed in Monday night’s episode of their reality show – unfolds, much of the focus will be on what went awry in their marriage, the emotional impact on the couple’s eight kids and how their divorce procedings unfold.

But as with any divorce, financial questions can present complications. In the case of an unusually large family, such as the Gosselins, those complications can be particularly tricky. College costs alone for the eight Gosselin kids could amount to upwards of $1 million, for instance. Though divorcing parents could agree simply to split the future costs of education, for a couple with many children, agreeing now how both spouses contribute to an ongoing savings plan could avoid future strife.

For now, the Gosselins are separating, and no one knows what plot twists might be in store – reconciliation or eventual divorce. In terms of their arrangements, so far the Gosselins have divulged only that their children will remain in their house and that Jon and Kate will take turns with them.

Among the big money questions for a big family splitting up:

(1) How Are Child Support Payments Determined?
Generally, child support includes monthly payments for food, shelter, clothing and education. Most states use a model based on “income shares,” in which children receive the same financial support before and after their parents are divorced. The noncustodial parent’s contribution is based in part on the number of children in the family and the gross household income. However, in Pennsylvania, which is where the Gosselins are based, in cases in which both parties' net income exceeds $20,000 a month or the family has more than six children, the courts determine child support payments based on their expenses, says Julia Swain, an attorney at Philadelphia-based Fox Rothschild, which practices family law.

(2) Who Pays Out-of-Pocket Health-Care Expenses?
In most cases, children will remain covered under the health plan of the same parent who covered them prior to the divorce. However, parents may need to split unreimbursed medical expenses or out-of-pocket costs, depending on their income, says Daniel Clement, a family law and matrimonial attorney with offices in New York and New Jersey.

In Pennsylvania, where the Gosselins live, the custodial parent must pay the first $250 of out-of-pocket health expenses per year per child, says Swain. After that, the parents will split the costs in proportion to their income. Those expenses can pile up quickly in big families. For example, the measles vaccine ProQuad costs $128.90 per dose in the private sector, according to the Centers for Disease Control. For a family of eight children, that’s $1,031.20 for the first dose. If the family’s health-care plan has a high deductible or doesn’t cover the vaccine, parents could have to pay these costs out-of-pocket.

If parents can’t reach an agreement on these costs, the custodial parent should consider signing up for the health-insurance plan that their employer provides – assuming that they have this option.

Typically, parents don’t set up an account for these expenses, says Clement. Instead the agreement is laid out in the divorce paperwork. And often, the parent who receives the bill will send their ex an invoice for reimbursement.

(3) Do the Kids Need Two of Everything?
Toys, cribs and other items that the couple purchased for their children while married are technically up for grabs in equitable distribution, says Clement. (These items can include the crooked houses that the Gosselins ordered for their children last winter and arrived during Monday’s show.) The argument on each parent’s side is that they’ll need these items when they spend time with their children, says Clement. Big-ticket items, like the Gosselins’ family car – a 2004 Dodge Sprinter 2500 passenger van – are also on the block, but in most cases the custodial parent ends up with most of these items since he or she will be the one spending the most time with the children, says Clement.

Of course, arrangements can be made for each of the parents to use these items when they’re with the children, says Clement. This could be a likely outcome in Jon and Kate’s case, as the children will remain in their home and each parent will be staying there during their designated time with the kids. The Gosselins would be a unique case, but in most states, including Pennsylvania, figuring out which parent gets what falls under equitable distribution laws.

(4) Pay for College Now or Later?
As part of a divorce, ex-spouses should agree to continue contributing to their child’s college education fund even if the child is a decade away from graduating high school, says Clement.

The average cost of college tuition, including room and board, is $14,333 per year for in-state students at public four-year colleges and $25,200 for out-of-state students as of 2007-08, according to the College Board’s latest data. The average cost at a private university is $34,132 for 2008-09. That means that the Gosselins could pay as much as $1.1 million for all eight of their children to attend college (not including the annual inflation on tuition).

What’s more, the Gosselins will probably encounter these astronomical expenses over a relatively short period; their eldest twins Cara and Madelyn are 8 years old and their sextuplets are five.

“This behooves them to deal with the ticking time bomb,” Clement says. “That is, sooner or later, your kids will go to college, and the cost will be apportioned in some way between the two parties.”

In the case in which an ex refuses to contribute but has the means to do so, the other parent can drag them into court. With 529 plans, both exes can contribute to a single plan for each child or separately if need be, says Rick Kahler, a fee-only certified financial planner in Rapid City, S.D.

The riskiest thing to do, however, is to agree to split Junior’s costs evenly once they start college, Kahler says. There’s no guarantee that both parents will be financially sound that far down the road, he says.

(5) How Much Allowance to Give?
Deciding how much allowance to give your child each week may seem insignificant, but it should be laid out in the divorce paperwork, says Kahler. Parents need to decide how often and how much they’ll give their kids and whether the kids will have to work to earn their allowance or not.

“You don’t want it to be where one parent has a more strict view of allowance and the other one has a liberal view, and the kid starts playing that against each parent,” says Kahler.

http://www.smartmoney.com/Personal-...e/Jon-and-Kate-Divorce-The-Money-Traps-Ahead/

 

[redrosesix]

Gosselin says he works 24 hours a day, 7 days a week as a reality star on 'Jon and Kate Plus 8,' and reportedly makes about $75,000 per episode (and there were 42 episodes last season.)

http://www.popeater.com/2009/08/25/pop-10-jon-gosselins-9-to-5-job-options/

So here we go again with the $75,000 each per episode -- maybe they do make $75,000 each.

And did I hear correctly during last night's pre-interview babble that there are only 20 shows left in the current contract?

 

[madge]

I think this is going to get very ugly. With the divorce almost final, even Dr. Phil doesn't want to try and save the Gosselins.

I'm not sure I'd go that far. After all, Dr. Phil was burned by the whole Britney Spears thing ... and I'm sure he doesn't do anything that won't bring him professional gain. That's why no one knew Jon & Kate went to see him, because it wasn't a success. If Dr. Phil had made some sort of breakthrough? He would have been ALL over it, IMO.

And the way it sounds, Dr. Phil was only interested in salvaging the brand .. continuing the charade that Jon and Kate had already started.

 

[FergieTCat]

I'm not sure I'd go that far. After all, Dr. Phil was burned by the whole Britney Spears thing ... and I'm sure he doesn't do anything that won't bring him professional gain. That's why no one knew Jon & Kate went to see him, because it wasn't a success. If Dr. Phil had made some sort of breakthrough? He would have been ALL over it, IMO.

And the way it sounds, Dr. Phil was only interested in salvaging the brand .. continuing the charade that Jon and Kate had already started.

Just popping in ...

I watched the interview last night. I don't know what to think anymore except the whole thing is very sad. I don't think Jon or Kate are inherently evil people. I think they both got carried away with the money and the fame. It certainly bought them a lot of things they never would have had before. I hope they put some away for the kids.

I believe Kate when she said that Jon only wanted two kids. I don't think he was ever prepared to father 8 kids. Who is, really? I know some of you have commented on having big families, but it must be different to go from 2 kids to 8 all at once.

As for Dr. Phil, I think he's an expert in brand salvaging. He was Oprah's advisor during her "Beef Scandal". Seems to me like she rebounded successfully. I had also heard/read (probably in some rag) that he and Robin were having marital trouble. I just saw them on the Daytime Emmys present an award together.

However, I think it's too late for J&K to salvage the brand. The show was winding down anyway as the kids were getting older. What were they going to do, have another set of multiples? (tongue in cheek, people!)

Did you notice that the other shows about multiples (Table for 12, Raising Sextuplets) disappeared? Maybe the fascination with large families is winding down. I wonder how the Duggars ratings are doing?

Carry on ...

 

[newtodis]

Info on the other tups born the same year as the Gosselins:

Van Houtens from MI:

Just before Christmas, the Van Houtens were visited by Kate Gosselin, a mother of sextuplets and twins, whose life has become the reality show "Jon & Kate Plus Eight" on TLC and Discovery Health cable channels. Gosselin, who lives in Pennsylvania, was on tour for her books, "Multiple Bles8ings" and "Eight Little Faces."

The Van Houtens don't have cable TV and have never seen the show, but Amy and Kate talked by phone in spring 2004 when the Van Houten babies started coming home from the hospital and Kate went on bed rest for her sextuplets.

Amy said she enjoyed her extended conversation with Kate, the only other mother of sextuplets she has met.

http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2009/01/van_houten_sextuplets_of_hamil.html

The Ottens from IL:

http://www.rickross.com/reference/jw/jw267.html

The Hayes Family from NJ (Table for 12 family):
http://multiples.about.com/od/quintssextuplets/p/hayessextuplets.htm

The Hanselman Family from OH:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/03/02/earlyshow/living/parenting/main677541.shtml

The Gosselins were the other set that year. Interesting the articles (the ones I read anyways) only one mentioned Kate reaching out to them - think it was because she was still pregnant at the time? I also think it's interesting that all the families are from the same "region" of the country as well. Anyways, from what I see, things are going well for these other families who should be in a similar boat "reality wise" as the Gosselins - just looking for some kind of a comparison.

 

[NEVERENOUGHWDW]

I totally agree with you Madge--enough already with the suspense!
They are definately both realizing that the gravy train is coming to a stop. Kate will do anything to keep it going. Jon on the other hand, hurt, angry, he wants to put a stop to Kate's dream. The kids are the reason for the show--but Jon & Kate plus 8 is no longer and is definately not the same with Mommy and 3 boys vacation at expensive Dude ranch. Mommy and Mady fly to SanDiego for a pedicure. Jon takes Cara & Mady to the game room.

I think panic mode has set in. Kate is not releasing any statement herself, but her friends are. At least Jon had the guts to stand up for himself and admit that he went to counseling and has been watching how much he drinks, etc....Kate is phoney as baloney. Always was and always will be. Actions speak louder than words and she does the opposite of what comes out of her mouth. One of us is always home with the kids--well no Kate, not if Jon is in NY and your going out for the evening. Granted the parents don't have to be around these kids 24/7, don't add to the fire by making statements that you never leave your kids with anyone.

I think this is going to get very ugly. With the divorce almost final, even Dr. Phil doesn't want to try and save the Gosselins.

I had the same feelings after watching the interview with Jon last night except for Dr. Phil.
I feel like Dr. Phil loves "branding" & might have been hoping to be included in some of the upcoming episodes.

I know the flames will be coming but I do feel like Jon is broken with much help from Kate.....I don't like to see anyone broken.
I do hope now that Jon has his family back the kids will be exposed to some more family, especially some Grandma love

 

[Promomx2]

Regarding kate going out last night. The difference between a loving, happy mom getting a real deserved night out is way different than Kate taking what little time she has with the kids to go out with friends. As a kid you get excited when your mom is getting ready to go out on the town, but I'm thinking to the kids, it's just another job for mom.

 

[Buckalew11]

But why would she want it???

She still wears hers...did she not want him to wear his???

I dunno. Because it is his wedding ring and maybe she is afraid he'll toss it, pawn it or something and she wants it saved for the kids? Maybe she thinks it is "hers" since she gave it to him. I think of my wedding ring as DH's--if I was divorcing, I'd probably either put it up for DD or ask him too. I certainly wouldn't want it anymore. Not even as a keepsake. If I was done, I'd be done.
No, she probably does not want him wearing his. He has girlfriends. If my DH was running around with young chicks, I wouldn't want him wearing the symbol of love I gave him.

 

[DMRick]

I can't believe, that Kate going out in the evening brings so much disdain for her. I must be one of the only mom's on this thread who very much loved her kids, but also loved an evening out. Perhaps whatever the event was didn't happen on a night she didn't have the kids, so other arrangements had to be made. I would hope they would have the same type of agreement many have here in NY..that the other parent gets first turn down, and then perhaps if Jon was in the same state, he could cover for her. These aren't babies that need to be breast fed every three hours. An evening away from the custodial parent (no matter which one it is) isn't going to send these kids into therapy.
I thought I was surprised the most when people posted how bad it was that she went horseback riding without them. so what..it was a vacation, not jail time but I found this even more surprising. Even parents who share custody have lives, that may mean they can't be with their children each and every hour..even those who state their children mean everything to them.
I don't know how my adult children ended up so successful and happy..I spent so much time off doing things I wanted to do, and taught them to be self sufficient, it's a wonder they ever graduated from college, married and had wonderful children of their own (who they also leave at home for some of their vacations and traveling time) and turned out so good. I thought my life and my husbands was all about our kids, but I still wasn't tied to the hip to them, even when they were very young. Granted, we weren't going through a divorce, but still, these children appear to be well taken care of. They haven't been sent off to boarding school yet.

 

[kidshop]

I'm not sure I'd go that far. After all, Dr. Phil was burned by the whole Britney Spears thing ... and I'm sure he doesn't do anything that won't bring him professional gain. That's why no one knew Jon & Kate went to see him, because it wasn't a success. If Dr. Phil had made some sort of breakthrough? He would have been ALL over it, IMO.

And the way it sounds, Dr. Phil was only interested in salvaging the brand .. continuing the charade that Jon and Kate had already started.

I have heard Dr. Phil is going to be a guest on the View when Kate is hosting. Weird.

 

[1stluvispooh]

I totally agree with you Madge--enough already with the suspense!
They are definately both realizing that the gravy train is coming to a stop. Kate will do anything to keep it going. Jon on the other hand, hurt, angry, he wants to put a stop to Kate's dream. The kids are the reason for the show--but Jon & Kate plus 8 is no longer and is definately not the same with Mommy and 3 boys vacation at expensive Dude ranch. Mommy and Mady fly to SanDiego for a pedicure. Jon takes Cara & Mady to the game room.

I think panic mode has set in. Kate is not releasing any statement herself, but her friends are. At least Jon had the guts to stand up for himself and admit that he went to counseling and has been watching how much he drinks, etc....Kate is phoney as baloney. Always was and always will be. Actions speak louder than words and she does the opposite of what comes out of her mouth. One of us is always home with the kids--well no Kate, not if Jon is in NY and your going out for the evening. Granted the parents don't have to be around these kids 24/7, don't add to the fire by making statements that you never leave your kids with anyone.

I think this is going to get very ugly. With the divorce almost final, even Dr. Phil doesn't want to try and save the Gosselins.

Couldn't agree more

I think Jon is angry because Kate says one thing and private and then denies it in public.

Do I think think Kate took Jon's wedding ring? Heck yeah Think about it people this way she can say. " I just can't bring myself to take off my ring and Jon took his off months ago" insert reaching for a Kleenex que melodramatic music.

 

[McDISer]

IMO, one tabloid article is not enough to make me believe somebody does something all of the time. There were plenty of articles about Kate and Steve having an affair, but I refused to believe those without corroboration from a better source -- I have to give the same courtesy to Jon.

I can't believe, that Kate going out in the evening brings so much disdain for her. I must be one of the only mom's on this thread who very much loved her kids, but also loved an evening out. Perhaps whatever the event was didn't happen on a night she didn't have the kids, so other arrangements had to be made. I would hope they would have the same type of agreement many have here in NY..that the other parent gets first turn down, and then perhaps if Jon was in the same state, he could cover for her. These aren't babies that need to be breast fed every three hours. An evening away from the custodial parent (no matter which one it is) isn't going to send these kids into therapy.
I thought I was surprised the most when people posted how bad it was that she went horseback riding without them. so what..it was a vacation, not jail time but I found this even more surprising. Even parents who share custody have lives, that may mean they can't be with their children each and every hour..even those who state their children mean everything to them.
I don't know how my adult children ended up so successful and happy..I spent so much time off doing things I wanted to do, and taught them to be self sufficient, it's a wonder they ever graduated from college, married and had wonderful children of their own (who they also leave at home for some of their vacations and traveling time) and turned out so good. I thought my life and my husbands was all about our kids, but I still wasn't tied to the hip to them, even when they were very young. Granted, we weren't going through a divorce, but still, these children appear to be well taken care of. They haven't been sent off to boarding school yet.

I don't have a problem with Kate going out, on the nite of the interview, but was she going out with her best friends last nite? Or was Steve the body guard, working and his wife went along.
I had a friend, her husband worked with his future wife. The wife claimed all 3 of them were best friends. The girl was 20 years younger, and volunteered to babysite, while they went to a movie, but when the couple returned home, the girl was too tired to drive home, so she stayed the night.

Some nights the husband called, and asked his wife to come to the girls apartment, to watch a movie etc. This went on for about a year. One day, the wife came home, and her husband was packing all his things up. He said, he fell in love, and didn't expect it to happen.

I think Kate is pulling the same thing. She wants everyone to believe she is best friends with Steve's wife. I predict a month after her divorce, someone else will be filing for a divorce.

I watched the interview with my wife last nite and we both said,
"Jon must be a DIS member,
this thread sure had a lot of things discussed that Jon talked about last nite.
Jon should of never done the interview,
but he clarified a lot of things, "like sleeping in the garage loft"-heck I'm not surprised he never said that he was sleeping in the basement in his old house.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

I can't believe, that Kate going out in the evening brings so much disdain for her. I must be one of the only mom's on this thread who very much loved her kids, but also loved an evening out. Perhaps whatever the event was didn't happen on a night she didn't have the kids, so other arrangements had to be made. I would hope they would have the same type of agreement many have here in NY..that the other parent gets first turn down, and then perhaps if Jon was in the same state, he could cover for her. These aren't babies that need to be breast fed every three hours. An evening away from the custodial parent (no matter which one it is) isn't going to send these kids into therapy.
I thought I was surprised the most when people posted how bad it was that she went horseback riding without them. so what..it was a vacation, not jail time but I found this even more surprising. Even parents who share custody have lives, that may mean they can't be with their children each and every hour..even those who state their children mean everything to them.
I don't know how my adult children ended up so successful and happy..I spent so much time off doing things I wanted to do, and taught them to be self sufficient, it's a wonder they ever graduated from college, married and had wonderful children of their own (who they also leave at home for some of their vacations and traveling time) and turned out so good. I thought my life and my husbands was all about our kids, but I still wasn't tied to the hip to them, even when they were very young. Granted, we weren't going through a divorce, but still, these children appear to be well taken care of. They haven't been sent off to boarding school yet.

Remember now, this is Kate and she does nothing right.

Thing is, this is the first time (reported) that Kate has gone out since the seperation. Jon has frequently and he also spends time riding his motorcycle and hanging at the gate. He doesn't spend every minute of his visitation with the kids either, nor should he.

We don't know that the kids weren't in bed last night or going to bed as she was leaving. Just like we don't know that the kids were taking a nap this summer when Jon was out riding or at the gate.

Couldn't agree more

I think Jon is angry because Kate says one thing and private and then denies it in public.

Do I think think Kate took Jon's wedding ring? Heck yeah Think about it people this way she can say. " I just can't bring myself to take off my ring and Jon took his off months ago" insert reaching for a Kleenex que melodramatic music.

Well Jon did have to take it off at some point for her to have been able to supposedly take it.

If she did take it, I tend to think it was more out of hurt and anger. It could have also been a cleaning person or nanny for all we know.

 

[Nancy]

Regarding kate going out last night. The difference between a loving, happy mom getting a real deserved night out is way different than Kate taking what little time she has with the kids to go out with friends. As a kid you get excited when your mom is getting ready to go out on the town, but I'm thinking to the kids, it's just another job for mom.

I think what everyone needs to remember is this is not a "normal" family going through divorce. The kids have been brought up with the cameras, with Mom heading off a lot and with Dad being around when Mom isn't and also being gone when mom is. A lot of people are speculating on how this is so bad for the kids...but I speculate that for them this is just same old same old. I also think that ending the show and pulling the cameras out of their lives would be more harmful..this is their norm and should be stopped slowly not suddenly, I think that would do more harm for them. Again JMHO.

I can't believe, that Kate going out in the evening brings so much disdain for her. I must be one of the only mom's on this thread who very much loved her kids, but also loved an evening out. Perhaps whatever the event was didn't happen on a night she didn't have the kids, so other arrangements had to be made. I would hope they would have the same type of agreement many have here in NY..that the other parent gets first turn down, and then perhaps if Jon was in the same state, he could cover for her. These aren't babies that need to be breast fed every three hours. An evening away from the custodial parent (no matter which one it is) isn't going to send these kids into therapy.
I thought I was surprised the most when people posted how bad it was that she went horseback riding without them. so what..it was a vacation, not jail time but I found this even more surprising. Even parents who share custody have lives, that may mean they can't be with their children each and every hour..even those who state their children mean everything to them.
I don't know how my adult children ended up so successful and happy..I spent so much time off doing things I wanted to do, and taught them to be self sufficient, it's a wonder they ever graduated from college, married and had wonderful children of their own (who they also leave at home for some of their vacations and traveling time) and turned out so good. I thought my life and my husbands was all about our kids, but I still wasn't tied to the hip to them, even when they were very young. Granted, we weren't going through a divorce, but still, these children appear to be well taken care of. They haven't been sent off to boarding school yet.

 

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I dunno. Because it is his wedding ring and maybe she is afraid he'll toss it, pawn it or something and she wants it saved for the kids? Maybe she thinks it is "hers" since she gave it to him. I think of my wedding ring as DH's--if I was divorcing, I'd probably either put it up for DD or ask him too. I certainly wouldn't want it anymore. Not even as a keepsake. If I was done, I'd be done.
No, she probably does not want him wearing his. He has girlfriends. If my DH was running around with young chicks, I wouldn't want him wearing the symbol of love I gave him.

Honestly, I think I'd feel this way too. If my DH was running around with 22 year olds and had left his ring laying around, I'd consider taking it. But of course, we don't know that Kate took it for sure. Do I think it's possible? Yup. But I don't think it's out of the ordinary for a messy divorce like this.

I can't believe, that Kate going out in the evening brings so much disdain for her. I must be one of the only mom's on this thread who very much loved her kids, but also loved an evening out. Perhaps whatever the event was didn't happen on a night she didn't have the kids, so other arrangements had to be made. I would hope they would have the same type of agreement many have here in NY..that the other parent gets first turn down, and then perhaps if Jon was in the same state, he could cover for her. These aren't babies that need to be breast fed every three hours. An evening away from the custodial parent (no matter which one it is) isn't going to send these kids into therapy.
I thought I was surprised the most when people posted how bad it was that she went horseback riding without them. so what..it was a vacation, not jail time but I found this even more surprising. Even parents who share custody have lives, that may mean they can't be with their children each and every hour..even those who state their children mean everything to them.
I don't know how my adult children ended up so successful and happy..I spent so much time off doing things I wanted to do, and taught them to be self sufficient, it's a wonder they ever graduated from college, married and had wonderful children of their own (who they also leave at home for some of their vacations and traveling time) and turned out so good. I thought my life and my husbands was all about our kids, but I still wasn't tied to the hip to them, even when they were very young. Granted, we weren't going through a divorce, but still, these children appear to be well taken care of. They haven't been sent off to boarding school yet.

Doris, you're back! Yeah! I hope you had a great time at Disney, did you see your BFF Kate?

I agree with your post. Kate is certainly getting raked over the coals for going out. We have no idea why she was going out either. Perhaps she just needed a night out. What's so awful about that? Geez, I guess I'm a bad parent then for wanting time to myself too. I love my kids to pieces but there are days when I need some time to myself. Why isn't Kate allowed to do so? I know, I know, people will say that it's not fair for Kate to go out when the kids are going through such an ordeal like this circus of a divorce. Again, we have a-b-s-o-l-u-t-e-l-y no idea how much time Kate spends with them. How could we, we don't live there. So I think it's incorrect to assume that she's neglecting them because she went out for an evening. Maybe it was a PTA meeting.

Remember now, this is Kate and she does nothing right.

Thing is, this is the first time (reported) that Kate has gone out since the seperation. Jon has frequently and he also spends time riding his motorcycle and hanging at the gate. He doesn't spend every minute of his visitation with the kids either, nor should he.

We don't know that the kids weren't in bed last night or going to bed as she was leaving. Just like we don't know that the kids were taking a nap this summer when Jon was out riding or at the gate.

Well Jon did have to take it off at some point for her to have been able to supposedly take it.

If she did take it, I tend to think it was more out of hurt and anger. It could have also been a cleaning person or nanny for all we know.

Yup. He obviously left it laying around in order for Kate to have swiped it, as he claims. I think it's pretty childish that he is even complaining about it since he's obviously moved on. Remember, he loves Hailey (the 22 year old former pot smoking, beer chugging, party girl) more than he ever loved Kate. Even if it costs him his kids.

 

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As for Dr. Phil, I think he's an expert in brand salvaging. He was Oprah's advisor during her "Beef Scandal". Seems to me like she rebounded successfully. I had also heard/read (probably in some rag) that he and Robin were having marital trouble. I just saw them on the Daytime Emmys present an award together.

that is a VERY good point about Oprah. I forgot all about that.