Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 6

[redrosesix]

I think what everyone needs to remember is this is not a "normal" family going through divorce. The kids have been brought up with the cameras, with Mom heading off a lot and with Dad being around when Mom isn't and also being gone when mom is. A lot of people are speculating on how this is so bad for the kids...but I speculate that for them this is just same old same old. I also think that ending the show and pulling the cameras out of their lives would be more harmful..this is their norm and should be stopped slowly not suddenly, I think that would do more harm for them. Again JMHO.

I agree with your post EXCEPT for the bolded part. IMO as the twins get older the cameras are going to seem more intrusive. I really don't want to see a show of Kate taking them shopping for their first bras. And I think all of them would have time for some extracurricular activities if they stopped the filming. That certainly wouldn't be a bad thing.

Yup. He obviously left it laying around in order for Kate to have swiped it, as he claims. I think it's pretty childish that he is even complaining about it since he's obviously moved on.

IMO, it was his and therefore his to do with as he wanted -- he's not the one who said he should have never married the other, or that he would never have married her. He could have had it melted down into charms for the kids. I honestly don't know why Kate is still wearing hers.

My DH and I rarely wear our rings, and neither do a lot of couples we know. Or they take them off when gardening, working on the house or car, etc. It doesn't mean we no longer want our ring if we lay it down.

But I'd like to know exactly when his ring went missing, and where it went missing from, since they haven't been in the house at the same time since the separation was announced. So either somebody went into his space when he wasn't there, or it went missing before the divorce announcement -- if it was the latter, IMO he has a right to be pretty angry (assuming that he wasn't dating Hailey yet, as has been contended)

 

[DMRick]

I didn't run into her, however, at Ohana's, there was a group of 9-10 very young kids sitting by themselves, with their parents at the next table over, but not close enough to help the kids with their food and cutting, etc. The poor wait staff! They were in and out of their seats, using maracca's (sp?), yelling, arguing, dropping food..yikes! Parents just went on eating, and until someone at our table went over and asked if they could can the maracca's, since we coudln't hear our selves think, the parents seemed to pay no attention at all. I thought to myself, wow, if this was ever recorded and was on the Dis, these parents would be ripped to shreds LOL. I very much appreciate how K & J's kids behave when out.
As for the ring..if I was getting a divorce, and my hubby was out partying with young gals, I would have lots of ideas of where my husband could put his ring. I can't see why Jon would care where it went.
As for if Kate is hiding an affair with Steve, what a stupid wive he would have to go along with that (going out with them). If I were her and suspected something funny going on, I'd not be triple dating with Kate.
Eventually I'm sure we will see Kate out with someone..and we'll all have lots to say about it, I"m sure.

 

[madge]

ratings for last night's interview: 5.71 viewers... did not win the time slot. America's Got Talent won the hour.

the dude ranch episode of Jon & Kate plus 8 was NOT in the top 25 last week, so the exact ratings were not listed. show #25 was seen by 2.43 million households, so it was less than that.

 

[kidshop]

ratings for last night's interview: 5.71 viewers... did not win the time slot. America's Got Talent won the hour.

the dude ranch episode of Jon & Kate plus 8 was NOT in the top 25 last week, so the exact ratings were not listed. show #25 was seen by 2.43 million households, so it was less than that.

thanks! They have been very quiet about the ratings, so I was figuring it had dropped again.

 

[madge]

I can't believe, that Kate going out in the evening brings so much disdain for her. I must be one of the only mom's on this thread who very much loved her kids, but also loved an evening out.

are you kidding me?! I've had a planned night out on the 2nd Thursday of every month for nearly 10 years!

In fact, I said in my post that I support the idea of a night out. I just didn't buy the notion that Kate is tied down at home with 8 small children, I don't think that's an accurate assessment of parenting 5 and 8 year olds that are in school. That was my only disagreement to the post.

 

[kidshop]

are you kidding me?! I've had a planned night out on the 2nd Thursday of every month for nearly 10 years!

In fact, I said in my post that I support the idea of a night out. I just didn't buy the notion that Kate is tied down at home with 8 small children, I don't think that's an accurate assessment of parenting 5 and 8 year olds that are in school. That was my only disagreement to the post.

And, they have a live in nanny, various babysitters and household help. I'm pretty sure Kate isn't doing much cleaning/cooking/lawn care/driving kids around. And she only has them 3-4 days a week.

But I do think the less time they spend with either parent is sadly, probably best for them. And as was pointed out, they are used to it.

 

[dispor]

Kate is also committed to staying close to her kids, even when she turns the children over to Jon under their back-and-forth custody agreement. When Jon has custody, Kate tries to stay within 10 miles of the house in case there is an emergency, says the insider.

I totally believe that, good for her!

She'll be in Cleveland this weekend. I think that's a little farther than 10 miles...

 

[mousey]

She'll be in Cleveland this weekend. I think that's a little farther than 10 miles...

Looks like she has to earn some extra money to pay for the divorce lawyer.
I think its funny that ever since Jon mentioned Kate and the bodyguard, his wife is appearing everywhere with him & Kate. Is this suppose to make us feel like they are one big happy family??

I don't care if Kate goes out for the evening or even overnight. I don't think she has a right to belittle Jon for going out--like the night the police were called and she stated since he wasn't going to be with the kids, I wanted to be with them!

A lot of negative comments on the "View" message board about there upcoming guest "Kate"!

 

[DMRick]

I think its funny that ever since Jon mentioned Kate and the bodyguard, his wife is appearing everywhere with him & Kate. Is this suppose to make us feel like they are one big happy family??

It was months ago that Jon first mentioned Kate and bodyguard. It's only been very recently that the wife has been around a few times (although she was around a couple of times before Jon and Kate split).

In fact, I said in my post that I support the idea of a night out. I just didn't buy the notion that Kate is tied down at home with 8 small children, I don't think that's an accurate assessment of parenting 5 and 8 year olds that are in school. That was my only disagreement to the post.

I don't consider her tied down either. Either one of them. They are lucky that they have help and can continue their careers, if either of them wish to (Jn by looking for work in NY/Vegas, or wherever, and Kate by promoting the show, or herself). I do believe neither are bad people just because they aren't with their children every moment they can, even if they both say they are there for the children. I was there for my children too, just not every waking moment.

I do have to admit, I am less and less interested in their private lives. They are getting a divorce, and they both have the right to date, sleep with, or marry (shortly) whoever they wish. I just hope they both continue to spend as much time as they can with their kids. I do love the direction of the show now, but again, as the ratings start being what they were last September, I expect, unless people keep talking and posting about them, and keep the interest going they will slowly fizzle out.

 

[madge]

I don't consider her tied down either. Either one of them. They are lucky that they have help and can continue their careers, if either of them wish to (Jn by looking for work in NY/Vegas, or wherever, and Kate by promoting the show, or herself). I do believe neither are bad people just because they aren't with their children every moment they can, even if they both say they are there for the children. I was there for my children too, just not every waking moment.

I agree that it applies to Jon, as well. He wasn't the one accused of bad parenting last night, though. That's why my comments were about Kate.

 

[whitneyNC]

Odd observation from another site...
"Just got my Ladies Home Journal....and the ladies from the View are on the cover. In the article they say their show is really reality....and Joy Behar says" look at Jon and Kate Plus 8...they've been faking that show for 2 years". Hmmmm....didnt you invite that lady to co-host with you next week?"

 

[redrosesix]

Couldn't agree more

I think Jon is angry because Kate says one thing and private and then denies it in public.

Do I think think Kate took Jon's wedding ring? Heck yeah Think about it people this way she can say. " I just can't bring myself to take off my ring and Jon took his off months ago" insert reaching for a Kleenex que melodramatic music.

Too funny

Odd observation from another site...
"Just got my Ladies Home Journal....and the ladies from the View are on the cover. In the article they say their show is really reality....and Joy Behar says" look at Jon and Kate Plus 8...they've been faking that show for 2 years". Hmmmm....didnt you invite that lady to co-host with you next week?"

ouch

 

[Buckalew11]

Couldn't agree more

I think Jon is angry because Kate says one thing and private and then denies it in public.

Do I think think Kate took Jon's wedding ring? Heck yeah Think about it people this way she can say. " I just can't bring myself to take off my ring and Jon took his off months ago" insert reaching for a Kleenex que melodramatic music.

If Kate did take the ring, he took it off first and laid it down. But again, we don't know whether she took it or not. He took it off and in a family of 8 kids and many people in and out, it could be anywhere in that house--it could end up on eBay! lol Obviously, from what jon said last night, it did not sound like he took it off and put it in a box in his dresser drawer and it vanished from there. He made it sound like he took it off and laid it somewhere and now can't find it. He looked under "all the kid's pillows" and it wasn't there so he assumes Kate took it.

My DH and I rarely wear our rings, and neither do a lot of couples we know. Or they take them off when gardening, working on the house or car, etc. It doesn't mean we no longer want our ring if we lay it down.

But I'd like to know exactly when his ring went missing, and where it went missing from, since they haven't been in the house at the same time since the separation was announced. So either somebody went into his space when he wasn't there, or it went missing before the divorce announcement -- if it was the latter, IMO he has a right to be pretty angry (assuming that he wasn't dating Hailey yet, as has been contended)

But, there is a huge difference in your DH taking off his ring to work on something and him taking it off because you all are divorcing.

Didn't the divorce announcement happen in June? (I really can't remember when!) I know they were both wearing there ring up until that point because we were discussing it and seeing it in photos. Once they announced it, his ring was gone right away. Kate's is on more than it is off, but it has been off also. Jon started seeing Hailey in May, he said.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

She'll be in Cleveland this weekend. I think that's a little farther than 10 miles...

The part from that article that I quoted was this:

Kate is also committed to staying close to her kids, even when she turns the children over to Jon under their back-and-forth custody agreement. When Jon has custody, Kate tries to stay within 10 miles of the house in case there is an emergency, says the insider.

It says she "tries" to stay close. I didn't take it to mean that she literally stays within 10 miles at all times.

 

[dicar123]

Am I the only one who is skeptical of Jon's claim to have been in therapy? He moved out of the house and went completely off the rails. It isn't quite the behavior I'd expect from someone getting help with motivations, emotions, planning "what's next", etc.

In any case, it doesn't seem to have done him much good.

 

[WaltD4Me]

Since this all started, the marriage problems, I have never understood what Jon wanted. Right or wrong, Kate seems clear on things, but Jon always seemed to me that he wanted "the lifestyle" but not the thing that was paying for it.

Does anyone remember an episode when Jon and Kate were talking on the couch and Jon said he didn't enjoy the speaking engagements and/or the book tour, so they decided he would stay home with the kids and Kate would do the public stuff? I don't know if I imagined that, but I could swear it was discussed. It seems at the time I thought "Well that seems like a good compromise." Then in the interview last night he didn't seem to like that either, Kate's gone and he's home with the kids....so exactly what did he want? Obviously neither Jon or Kate want to go back to living in the smaller house and Jon going off to work everyday...To me, Kate is more honest about that though, whereas Jon tries to come across like that is what he wants, but nothing he has does really supports that. If he wanted to go back to "normal" - why not stay in Pennsylvania, maybe really try to find a job, (yes, I know, that would be hard) get a realistic car, skip the trip to the South of France, ect....KWIM?

 

[GJM]

I think Jon just wants to have fun without any responsibilities.

 

[MAKmom]

Since this all started, the marriage problems, I have never understood what Jon wanted. Right or wrong, Kate seems clear on things, but Jon always seemed to me that he wanted "the lifestyle" but not the thing that was paying for it.

Does anyone remember an episode when Jon and Kate were talking on the couch and Jon said he didn't enjoy the speaking engagements and/or the book tour, so they decided he would stay home with the kids and Kate would do the public stuff? I don't know if I imagined that, but I could swear it was discussed. It seems at the time I thought "Well that seems like a good compromise." Then in the interview last night he didn't seem to like that either, Kate's gone and he's home with the kids....so exactly what did he want? Obviously neither Jon or Kate want to go back to living in the smaller house and Jon going off to work everyday...To me, Kate is more honest about that though, whereas Jon tries to come across like that is what he wants, but nothing he has does really supports that. If he wanted to go back to "normal" - why not stay in Pennsylvania, maybe really try to find a job, (yes, I know, that would be hard) get a realistic car, skip the trip to the South of France, ect....KWIM?

ITA
I saw the interview last night. I think Jon started the rumors about Kate & the body guards. I think he would have been fine with her traveling if he did not have to watch the kids. I think he has so much help now it does not matter to him that he has to have physical custody part time he still can do what he wants when he is not filming.

I did not think he was sincere but had talking points he wanted to hit. He was trying to do damage control & it did not work IMO.

 

[redrosesix]

Didn't the divorce announcement happen in June? (I really can't remember when!) I know they were both wearing there ring up until that point because we were discussing it and seeing it in photos. Once they announced it, his ring was gone right away. Kate's is on more than it is off, but it has been off also. Jon started seeing Hailey in May, he said.

Now, that makes a difference to me -- IMO, once they separated there were so many people coming and going from that house, and Jon was only there half of the time, so there are a lot of people who could have taken that ring.

Having said that, I do believe that Jon believes Kate took it, and I do believe that he suspected something going on between Kate and Steve (given the way she's talked about Jon lately, I can easily imagine her talking glowingly about Steve as a put-down to Jon, since she had already said 6 months before that that she didn't know why she was married to Jon) The thing is, I don't believe Kate and Steve had an affair necessarily, so either Jon didn't know his wife very well, or the constant fighting made him question everything -- I'm guessing it's the latter. It makes me think it's good these people are no longer together.

Am I the only one who is skeptical of Jon's claim to have been in therapy? He moved out of the house and went completely off the rails. It isn't quite the behavior I'd expect from someone getting help with motivations, emotions, planning "what's next", etc.

In any case, it doesn't seem to have done him much good.

I do believe he was in therapy, if only because he has changed a lot in the last year. But since they didn't go together, the therapist obviously worked on Jon's assertiveness issues a lot eg. wearing earrings again, snowboarding, not trying to be preppy Jon, going out with his friends, spending time with his mother (he did none of these things up until a year ago) -- and realizing, as he said, he should have stood up for his kids more. ITA with that.

JMHO, but I can easily imagine Jon totally losing it if he had had nobody to talk to about it, and his restraint with alcohol going right out the window. It would suck for anybody to have to live over the garage while they're paying half of the mortgage on a house where their kids are living.

As for being completely off the rails, the only thing we know FOR SURE is that he started dating Hailey after Kate filed for divorce. Stupid move, yes, but crazy, no.

 

[DMRick]

Now, that makes a difference to me -- IMO, once they separated there were so many people coming and going from that house, and Jon was only there half of the time, so there are a lot of people who could have taken that ring.

Having said that, I do believe that Jon believes Kate took it, and I do believe that he suspected something going on between Kate and Steve (given the way she's talked about Jon lately, I can easily imagine her talking glowingly about Steve as a put-down to Jon, since she had already said 6 months before that that she didn't know why she was married to Jon) The thing is, I don't believe Kate and Steve had an affair necessarily, so either Jon didn't know his wife very well, or the constant fighting made him question everything -- I'm guessing it's the latter. It makes me think it's good these people are no longer together.

Maybe he put it down at Hailey's and she tossed it LOL! I still don't understand why his mother didn't come to visit. Even if he didn't have time to go see her (because according to him, Kate says his time should be spent with the kids), she should have had time to come to him. I'd be interested in knowing more about that..for instance, was there trouble because his family didn't think he should have had all the kids, or was his mom just not interested in them (which I thought Jon had said once..that his mom didn't visit his brothers kids either.or was that Kate's mom?). I still haven't seen where his mom has come to visit, or he take the kids to her, now that Kate and Jon are apart.

As for being completely off the rails, the only thing we know FOR SURE is that he started dating Hailey after Kate filed for divorce. Stupid move, yes, but crazy, no.

Did they seperate or did Kate file for divorce before he started dating Hailey? I thought she filed after May. My timeline is all mixed up.