Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 5

[Nancy]

I'd say that article is as accurate as any, LOL. Probably about 50% true.

but I will say .. I watched the opening of the 3rd hour of the Today show. Kathie Lee Gifford is not impressed with Kate at all. That was obvious, at least it was to me ... and considering KLG is someone that has had experience with the tabloids, rumors, and paparazzi, I paid close attention to what she said.

I have to wonder if it was TLC that wanted Kate on the Today Show, or if it was The Today Show that wanted Kate. I'm sure Kate could have her pick of shows, since she's the flavor of the month, but I wonder who initiated the booking?

I wouldn't pay attention to anything KLG says..she spent many years on Regis telling all kinds of lovely stories about her families private times. I used to be amazed at all the TMI moments out of her mouth. She didn't really clam up until Frank got caught with his pants down and her "perfect" life turned out to be not so perfect. Yes, she knows how the tabloids can be but she is really should remember how she was back then before she opens her mouth. Of course thinking before she speaks was never a KLG srong point.

when I joined the DIS all those years ago, I used my own name for my user name .. it was one of the first boards I ever joined, and it didn't occur to me to be clever and make up something... so there's no anonymity for me.

yeah...I was pretty original with my screen name too.

The twins are. My son is 9 and if I repeat anything minor he says he would get mad, he would probably be mad at me right now for telling you this. And when I say mad, I am not talking about screaming and yelling, it is more of an embarrassed mad. I could not imagine going on tv and telling the world that he said something silly.

My kids have never asked me to not tell things they say or do..they are 16, 19 and 21. They might roll their eyes and do an "oh Mom" thing but they have never told me that I embarrass them and never tell me to stop.

Probably wouldn't stop even if they did, I would just make sure not to say anything where they could hear me.

 

[mousey]

If Kate wants to really tell her story she should go on Oprah or Dr. Phil. Forget about Regis & Kelly. Haven't we heard time after time how Kate does everything for her kids! This interview tomorrow is a sugar coated promotion for the show. She doesn't want to discuss the tabloids.

 

[kidshop]

I wouldn't pay attention to anything KLG says..she spent many years on Regis telling all kinds of lovely stories about her families private times. I used to be amazed at all the TMI moments out of her mouth. She didn't really clam up until Frank got caught with his pants down and her "perfect" life turned out to be not so perfect. Yes, she knows how the tabloids can be but she is really should remember how she was back then before she opens her mouth. Of course thinking before she speaks was never a KLG srong point.



yeah...I was pretty original with my screen name too.



My kids have never asked me to not tell things they say or do..they are 16, 19 and 21. They might roll their eyes and do an "oh Mom" thing but they have never told me that I embarrass them and never tell me to stop.

Probably wouldn't stop even if they did, I would just make sure not to say anything where they could hear me.

[/B]
Like on national tv or the Today show?

Actually, my take may be a little different. I think b/c of the ever present cameras and the filming of daily life, that the kids may not have appropriate boundaries by this point. Everything is known by everyone anyway, either by tabloids or on their show. I believe Kate said this was normal and healthy for them. Ok then.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

Enjoyed tonight's show, the kids always make me laugh. I got the biggest kick out of Collin and his bucket. Guess I should have checked the schedule, I was expecting two new shows.

 

[DMRick]

How about an open letter to Kate Gosselin written by Alyssa Martina and published in the Detroit News about Kate's May 14th speaking appearance. Graciousness, the lesson you left out! Very good article about how busy she must be with 8 kids and promoting her books and tv show. It goes on to say that she also was not very warm or nice. She was rude to hosts and sponsors. Snottiness is how the audience described her.
It's funny that she is cast in a negative light often. Is it possible that all these people are lying just to get back at her?? I don't think so. The majority of these people describing her could care less about 15 min. of fame.

Did I say that this person was going for her 15 minutes (and I might of..I really barely remember the article, and I'm not good at going back to see what every other person might have said a couple months ago, and I sure don't remember that long ago, something said about someone I really don't know in real life)? I"m sure not every person who speaks badly about Kate is wrong. I'm sure many people have opinions, and some of them are that they don't like Kate. Obviously some people just plain don't like her. However, the show still has viewers, Kate still has speaking engagements and people who have been to see her or gotten books signed, have been happy to report she seemed nice. Are they picked up by the tabloids? Seldom. Who wants to hear that someone likes someone? No one..people want to hear dirt.

I personally don't understand how someone not known personally can be so disliked. I just don't know enough about her to so intensely disklike her. I don't see her mistreating her kids, and in fact the worse thing I can say about her is that her kids don't wear helmets when riding their bikes and scooters. I can see that mistake with my own eyes and judge it as such because I do see it. As many (not just me) have said in the past, it just doesn't matter what she does..it's never good enough for some. But that doesn't mean I have to dislike her just because someone else does. I no longer have to hear her and Jon going at each other, and for me, it's made the last few episodes very enjoyable. So, hard as it may be for you..I am actually liking her more.

I can't (and at this time have no interest..maybe when Mady's book comes out, I will) change my views, anymore than you can change yours, about what I see. Someone thinks that Kate did a bad interview and that will teach her to be on TV. I thought it was a good interview, I didn't think she crossed any lines, and I saw a woman who I thought was hurting. This is just my opinion. If what you saw is fact, and what I saw is just my opinion, then so be it.

 

[DMRick]

Enjoyed tonight's show, the kids always make me laugh. I got the biggest kick out of Collin and his bucket. Guess I should have checked the schedule, I was expecting two new shows.

Me too..glad I looked ahead and saw the new show. I loved the sand in Collins hair. He was so cute. Nice to watch a show with everyone just having fun. I wonder if Kate is on a relaxer..she seemed so much more mellow.

Did you like the twins reaction to Jon's earings LOL? I noticed he had them out when the sextups came home..guess he didn't want to hear them ask 6 times about them. I did learn tonight that Jon has had his ears pierced since he was 15 (he says it's not a mid life crisis!) by his brother. He has (is that what he said?) 4 tat's and loves motorcycles and this is the real him.

 

[LoraJ]

Me too..glad I looked ahead and saw the new show. I loved the sand in Collins hair. He was so cute. Nice to watch a show with everyone just having fun. I wonder if Kate is on a relaxer..she seemed so much more mellow.

Did you like the twins reaction to Jon's earings LOL? I noticed he had them out when the sextups came home..guess he didn't want to hear them ask 6 times about them. I did learn tonight that Jon has had his ears pierced since he was 15 (he says it's not a mid life crisis!) by his brother. He has (is that what he said?) 4 tat's and loves motorcycles and this is the real him.

My DH had one ear pierced when he was a teen but he has not worn and earring in 10 years. If he were to put one in again I would probably tease him that he's having a mid-life crisis. I loved the twins reaction to his earrings lol.

 

[madge]

Thanks for answering me so nicely..I know with the written word, it's easy to assume it's an attack, and it certainly wasn't meant to be.

you're welcome! I have always appreciated the candor of people on this thread. After thousands (literally!) of posts, we've never been shut down and have fair and balanced (most of the time ) discussions. I think it's awesome!

I do know that some people have had negative views of Kate after talks, but I also know many have had positive views..just like on this board, everyone has an opinion. I just wasn't expecting you to say that Kate being nasty on the way out of the interview, based on an unnamed source, could be 50% right (or wrong LOL), since you have always tried to have facts to back up what you say.

you are right about that! I do like my facts. But I stand a pretty good shot on the 50% angle on this one, though. Either the unnamed source is right, or the Today Show spokesperson (who was also unnamed) is right.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

I guess I have a hard time hearing people defend Kate. I watched her today and she took full advantage of her situation and her KIDS. Why was she on the Today show? She was not really promoting her show. And does she think that she can just go on any show and tell her sob story and think reports will not ask her any hard questions. Before today I thought maybe she felt bad for the way things had turned out but you know what, she doesn't or she would not be talking about her kids and their feelings for the world to hear. She was not there for them but for her, to play the poor wife before Jon's interview came out today. Some PR person told her to do it and I think it backfired. I am sorry that some people think that it is ok to talk about your kids and what they are going through on tv but I don't. If my husband and I were going through something like this I would pull the plug and work on my family, I am not saying getting back with Jon but I would help my kids through this in private. She says that somethings are private yet her kids are not. Give me a break. I have always thought that everyone had their right to defend her that they saw something I did not but today that went away from that feeling. I just don't know how anyone can defend this women. I know that Jon is not in the press right now and it has turned back to Kate but that was her choice. She went on tv and did the interview, she brought herself back into the spotlight. I don't like Jon's actions right now either but she is the mother and I am a mother and that is where I am coming from.

I guess it comes from being a child of divorce and a ugly divorce at that and having 3 kids of my own. I don't dislike her because of the way she handles her kids or because of what she wears or any of that. And to be honest before today I really could take or leave her. I was actually starting to feel bad for her a little. but I have a 9 year old son who gets embarrassed if I repeat anything he says, I could not imagine me saying those things on national tv. Also, I know my parents getting a divorce was the right thing and I am glad they did, I have a wonderful step dad who has changed my whole life and I thank God for him all the time. But when I was a child and I was going through it, I was embarrassed that my friends knew what was going on. I just can not imagine going to school and one of my friends telling me what my mom said on tv about what I was saying.

I think that as a parent it is our job to protect our kids. I do believe they need to see that parents argue and have disagreements but I don't think they need to know that daddy is out with a new flavor this week. I don't think as a parent we should be on tv airing our dirty laundry.

This is why I don't like Kate. I think she is taking advantage of this situation without concern for her kids even though she says she does. I do think she loves her kids but I don't think she is thinking about how they feel when it comes to this.

Well, I suppose the flip side of that is not understanding why people are so eager to attack Kate then. Honestly, I don't agree with all of the decisions she's made but I don't know her personally. I'm not her friend or confidant. I have no idea what her 'real' life is like. We have no idea how this affecting the kids and can only speculate. To imply that she's a bad mother and is out to take advantage is a stretch. I believe she loves her kids and in her mind, she truly and honestly feels that by doing the show she is providing for them. Who are we to say that she shouldn't feel that way? We don't have any clue how stressful it is to raise 8 kids (in the beginning of course) and how heavy that would weigh on us. It doesn't appear the kids are suffering from being on TV, again I could be wrong but they *seem* happy. What I wouldn't give to be a fly on the wall during one of the filming days. If I'm wrong then I'll completely change my stand though!

As far as your point of view because you're from a divorce, I too am a child of divorce and also have 3 kids of my own. And I don't see the same thing you are and let me tell you, my parent's divorce was rather ugly as well. Assuming that because you're a child of divorce therefore you don't understand how people can defend Kate is illogical in my opinion. Of course it's your opinion and that's fine. I just don't agree.

Now, my take on the interview was that Kate was hurt, angry and trying to battle through this thing. I do think her PR set it up but I'm sure Kate was willing since Jon is acting like such an idiot right now and throwing her under the bus. I commend her for keeping parts of the story private, no need to air more dirty laundry...oh wait, Kevin & Jodi can do that for them! Serioulsy though, I think she didn't expect her life to take this turn, and I think she may have regrets about how she and Jon treated each other. She came across hurt yet strong at the same time. Obviously she is appearing as the stable parent and that is a credit to her no matter how you feel about her personally IMO. Most of us can agree that she didn't treat Jon with respect all the time but would you want to admit that on TV or in interviews? Perhaps she's ashamed of it and is in denial. We just don't know, we're not in her head. Maybe I'm completely wrong about her but I'm unconvinced at this point at least that she's as awful as people (general) alledge.

 

[OhMari]

when I joined the DIS all those years ago, I used my own name for my user name .. it was one of the first boards I ever joined, and it didn't occur to me to be clever and make up something... so there's no anonymity for me.

My name is real original too,
OhMari aka Marisa
I used to get in a lot of trouble growing up, and when I heard my mom say "OhMari", I knew I was going to be sent to my room, or I was going to get a lecture. I think the worst punishment was making me kneel down in the living room and do all the decades of the rosary, especially in the summer, when all my sisters and cousins went swimming. I hated doing dishes, and I remember fighting with my mom, how we had a dish washer and why in the world did I always have to do the dishes. Dumb, huh.



I am such an optimist-but do you think Jon got thrown for a loop, when Kate admitted on the Today show, that she still loves Jon? And this is why Jon cancelled his interview with E. If the show continues, I think they should at least admit to at least some counseling. I know in Wisconsin, it is manditory to attend counseling and you have to wait 6 months and prove that you attending some kind of counseling.

 

[DreaGirl]

In Jon's interview he said he asked Kate to go to counseling and she refused.

 

[madge]

anyone here from Chicago?

I'm doing a little more reading on the article about Kate's behavior today at the NBC studios... and I'm learning that if Zwecker writes something, he's got the goods to back it up. He's a respected writer in Chicago ...

if that's the case, then the story might have legs. maybe.

 

[LoraJ]

As an NBC Universal employee, I cannot understand why someone would do that. I am not denying that some of the events may have happened, but in the building I work in, we are not even allowed to approach any of the celebrities. I cannot imagine someone risking their job by spilling info like that. Unless it was KLG.

 

[madge]

As an NBC Universal employee, I cannot understand why someone would do that. I am not denying that some of the events may have happened, but in the building I work in, we are not even allowed to approach any of the celebrities. I cannot imagine someone risking their job by spilling info like that. Unless it was KLG.

as we say in our house ... she must be a big talker, Betty Crocker ...

I found it interesting that there were unnamed sources on both sides. at least it was a balanced story.

 

[Buckalew11]

I am such an optimist-but do you think Jon got thrown for a loop, when Kate admitted on the Today show, that she still loves Jon? And this is why Jon cancelled his interview with E. If the show continues, I think they should at least admit to at least some counseling. I know in Wisconsin, it is manditory to attend counseling and you have to wait 6 months and prove that you attending some kind of counseling.

I do not think that she said she still loves him.

She said she still loves the Jon she knew. I do not think kate feels like she knows Jon now and the person he is showing us he is or is becoming. I do not think she said she still loves Jon.

 

[LoraJ]

Is that an Ed Hardy shirt they blurred out in this latest episode?

 

[redrosesix]

Oh geez - the UM's are REALLY bad. I find myself looking at her here and thinking this is all a show. Not genuine and real.

Honestly the ring thing is a joke IMO. I think the fact that their Dad is missing is more of a shock then Kate wearing or not wearing a piece of jewelry.

When I stopped wearing my ring, I told my DD that my finger grew and it was too tight -- sort of true, though, because I had gained weight since the wedding.

I agree, the missing dad (and his stuff) would be more noticeable to the kids.

It's always been said that Kate has never wanted anyone else making money off her kids .. that was the issue when Jodi left the show. Same holds true today.

I didn't agree with the decision when Kevin & Jodi were on the show. They should have been compensated, especially if (the big IF) TLC offered it to them. One of those things we'll never, ever truly know what happened.

Now, they should keep out of it.

I would have more respect for Kevin and Jodi if they had a more general campaign about how kids should be treated in show business, etc. rather than just attacking the Gosselins.

the private schools my kids have gone to (and no big "celebrities" there) have all had policies against filming or photographing on campus, and one realy circled the wagons when a family was selected to appear on wife swap. they reissued the policy statement to everyone to eleviate fears among the other families and did a MAJOR sit down with the wife swap family and told them in no uncertain terms what they could and would do if the family facilitated filming of the school/staff/students in any way. the school told them what legal rights they had regarding film crews or the media on their property but they also spelled out specificaly that all students enrolled were at the will of the school and if they learned that any member of the family had "tipped off" anyone of opportunites to film (field trips, events open to the public...) the school was ready to pull the plug on the kids attending.

i think they took their cue from another abc show that filmed in the town next door, the family featured on that lived accross the street from a school and it was a nightmare for their administration and families (and it was'nt international media like with the gosselins just lots of local and bay area coverage).

We have rules like this for all of the public schools in Nova Scotia -- nobody is allowed to photography or videotape anyone but their own child or teacher without written permission from other parents and the school.

I thought Kate came across as pretty transparent. She seems to have been humbled by the whole mess. I was never a big Kate fan. But it seems that most people ignore how awful what Jon did/is doing is. You can end a marriage. People would have understood if he had gone for some counseling and then they ended the marriage. But what he did is the weak/wimpy way to go. He left the marriage while still there in a way that is embarrassing to his wife and children. I believe he did things publicly intentionally.
If he had gone for some counseling, ended things with his wife, talked to the kids, moved out and then divorced I would respect him. Then he could gradually begin to quietly as possible date. Maybe there would be a few wild girls at first but he wouldn't introduce his kids to anybody until they were very serious and he knew they would be good around his kids.
Instead he started partying hanging with people he wouldn't in a sane state of mind want his kids raised by and surely knew this would all be very public. He hadn't moved out. I respect Kate because she isn't bad mouthing him. I would think having an interview about this when she knows why it really ended. I doubt Kate changed alot from the time she got pregnant until now Jon knew what he was getting into.

Well, according to Jon, she ended it, he went to counselling, she wouldn't go, he waited over 6 months before starting another relationship. This does seem like a plausible timeline, and Kate didn't deny it.

Toxic together toxic apart.

I feel nothing bust disgust when I think of Kate. She was a loud mouthed, disrespectful, degrading wife. Her actions, her OCD behavior, her demands and her treatment of Jon - of which she said herself she makes no apologies for - was horrible for those kids to watch. She is now trying to cry wolf and play the innocent victim who meant her vows during the renewal. Her actions after the breakup are going to harm those kids just as much because as much as she might think she's taking the high road - every time she talks about her provate life in public she is crossing a line she should not be crossing.

Jon before was a wuss who should have stood up to his wife, put her in her place and should have demanded she treat him with respect. Now he like a caged animal that has been let free - which I can understand to a point - but when you have 8 kids and live a very public life discretion would be in order right about now. You waited 10 years what's another year or at least a few months?

Fact is IMO those kids were doomed from the day their parents started to see $$ when they looked at them. Unless Jon and Kate start both behaving like responsible parents then those kids are just on a terrifying downward spiral.

I just have to agree with a lot of this.

One more thing, what I don't understand is how Kate can play the woman scorned if she was the one who asked for a divorce?! If this was back in October this was before Jon went nuts going out all the time, so is she mad that he is moving on with his life and not wasting away in a corner? Or is she upset that his actions are going to stop the gravy train so she has to put out the "poor me" and pull on the heart strings of other women who have had a cheating/lying/degrading spouse when she actually didn't have any of those things? Notice how she avoids the timeline after the vow renewal. Now that is a selective memory. I think it would be burned in my brain when my spouse moved out of the house, that's assuming Jon ever moved into the house in the first place. I still believe he moved into the apartment above the garage and Kate into the main house when they moved to that house.

And I agree with this too. I used to get mad at my ex-boyfriends when they got somebody new, even if I already had somebody myself (what a diva I was then). It's probably normal to feel angry that somebody no longer pines for you. So I would be surprised if she wasn't upset that he had been able to move on.

As for the gravy train, I'm really thinking it may not be long before the show is renamed Kate + Eight -- he likely can't talk about getting out of the show much until his contract is done. And Kate did make it very clear, again and again, that they have different goals now.

 

[Seahunt]

She said there was no condo.

She didn't even know there were condos there when she had lunch downstairs. She's never, to this day, seen the inside of the condos.

Hmm, this week Star Mag is still reporting there is one, and from the pictures the building is really close to Steve's:
While all eyes are focused on her skirt-chasing estranged husband, Kate Gosselin has set her sights on a romantic hideaway in Rockville, Md. — less than 40 feet from her bodyguard boyfriend, Steve Neild!

As we report in this week's issue of Star, multiple sources confirm that Kate —in spite of her denials — has bought a luxurious apartment in the Palladian Condominium, where she can spend time up with Steve while her soon-to-be-ex-husband Jon Gosselin has his turn watching their eight children.

"Kate is definitely going to be living here," says one building insider. Kate tried her best to keep the condo purchase under wraps, but her secret got out anyway. "She negotiated and bought the place in her lawyer's name," explains the insider, adding that Kate paid about $700,000 for the one bedroom lovenest.

"Kate feels like she has her cake and gets to eat it too," snipes a friend of Jon. "She has the big house with her children in Pennsylvania and a hideaway with her new love in Maryland. What more could she ask for?"

Perhaps a secret getaway with Steve under the guise of work. Kate took her three sons to Wyoming for a five-day camping trip on July 29 with Steve right by her side. The trip was filmed for Jon & Kate Plus 8, so they can use the show as the perfect cover!

http://www.starmagazine.com/news/15914

Of course, we all know tabloids being tabloids you can take this report with a grain of salt But it'll be kind of interesting to see if anything else comes out about it from a better source.

 

[novajeanjellybean]

Now, my take on the interview was that Kate was hurt, angry and trying to battle through this thing. I do think her PR set it up but I'm sure Kate was willing since Jon is acting like such an idiot right now and throwing her under the bus. I commend her for keeping parts of the story private, no need to air more dirty laundry...oh wait, Kevin & Jodi can do that for them! Serioulsy though, I think she didn't expect her life to take this turn, and I think she may have regrets about how she and Jon treated each other. She came across hurt yet strong at the same time. Obviously she is appearing as the stable parent and that is a credit to her no matter how you feel about her personally IMO. Most of us can agree that she didn't treat Jon with respect all the time but would you want to admit that on TV or in interviews? Perhaps she's ashamed of it and is in denial. We just don't know, we're not in her head. Maybe I'm completely wrong about her but I'm unconvinced at this point at least that she's as awful as people (general) alledge.

ITA

 

[Family Fun Mom]

Here is some info. on why the interview was cancelled:

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/08/exclusive-jon’s-interview-canceled

Jon Gosselin’s interview with E!, scheduled for Monday, is off, RadarOnline.com has learned exclusively.

A behind the scenes corporate struggle is to blame, a source close to the situation tells RadarOnline.com.

It is still possible disagreements could be worked through and the interview would take place.

But the scheduled – and promoted interview – was canceled after a behind-the-scenes power struggle between corporate entities. Jon, of course, is under contract to TLC, but he also just gave an interview to In Touch magazine and is still bound by the terms of that agreement, someone familiar with the situation tells RadarOnline.com. The TLC-E!-In Touch triangle is a complicated affair and two of those entities clashed, but it is not clear who pulled the plug on – or delayed -- the interview.

Kate Gosselin appeared on the Today Show Monday morning in an emotional interview where she ranged from tears to fury, attacking her brother, denying affair rumors, saying Jon’s relationship with Hailey Glassman stung her and crying about why she still wears her wedding ring.

Looks like, for now anyway, Jon is going to have to wait to have his say on national TV.

I can't believe nobody has really commented on this. Disclaimer, this is just a theory I have, my opinion only...

I think that TLC pulled rank of Jon. He was probably going to dish the goods on Kate and the real story behind all of this. TLC is obviously banking on Kate to keep this train wreck going. She will be the main parent on the show. If Jon dishes the dirt and makes Kate look bad it could sour viewers completely. TLC can't let that happen so I think they shut him up.

Either that, or In Touch is the one that pulled rank so they could keep their exclusive. But that's not nearly as exciting, is it?