Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 5

[kidshop]

And maybe it's 80% true. The reason I posted it to Madge and not someone else, who may say the same thing, is because Madge has always been very careful to have facts when she posts, not emotions. I didn't say it wasn't true at all..I was surprised that Madge posted what she did, based on how she usually posts.

Ok, but I believe you discount the articles who name names as well. For example, the pastor neighbor, or the coordinator of one of her speaking engagements, oh and the nurse who was with them for the first year. This is not isolated. I get the feeling you view all of these people as fame/money seeking mis-truth-givers . We will all wait for Beth I guess!

 

[DMRick]

Doesn't it seem strange both Jon and Kate have both lashed out at Kevin and Jody. Kate was yelling that Jody and Kevin have their own agenda and are now making money off of her family, 'tens of thousands of dollars". And Jon was quoted as saying, Jody and Kevin don't even know where they live.

I don't see it as strange. If you made decisions for your children that you thought were OK, and someone else appeared in public saying they were wrong decisions, wouldn't you be like mama and papa bear and defend yourself and your decisions? I know I would, if I thought they were right for my children. I'm not saying that I agree with all of their decisions, but I am saying that it must be hard, if they (J & K) think they are doing the right things for their kids to have people that were on the show, that left only after they were refused payment, people that are relatives, to now be saying that K & J are not doing the right thing.

If your sister started saying that you were wrong, for instance to send your child to a public school, in an area that you thought was safe, but she didn't, wouldn't you be upset, if she started calling everyone in your family, and your friends, (let alone go on TV) and announce that you were a bad parent, just trying to save money by not sending your children to private school? Not the same, I know, but as close as I can come.

J & K think their children are OK in this series. Yes, I know many think it's only so they (J & K) can have the money, and it's not for their children, and they aren't OK, but I am just answering the question that OhMari had..does it seem strange that J & K lashed out at them. I don't find it strange at all.

 

[DreaGirl]

One more thing, what I don't understand is how Kate can play the woman scorned if she was the one who asked for a divorce?! If this was back in October this was before Jon went nuts going out all the time, so is she mad that he is moving on with his life and not wasting away in a corner? Or is she upset that his actions are going to stop the gravy train so she has to put out the "poor me" and pull on the heart strings of other women who have had a cheating/lying/degrading spouse when she actually didn't have any of those things? Notice how she avoids the timeline after the vow renewal. Now that is a selective memory. I think it would be burned in my brain when my spouse moved out of the house, that's assuming Jon ever moved into the house in the first place. I still believe he moved into the apartment above the garage and Kate into the main house when they moved to that house.

 

[DreaGirl]

I'm confused... by entourage you mean the bodyguard who is always with her? And another woman? Possibly a publicist or something (who would probably come considering she had an interview that morning). I would hardly call that unpredictable.... I could imagine that the person writing the article would know (just like we all know) that Kate didn't come to the show without a bodyguard and probably a publicist, or someone of the like.

I know you didn't, so I'm saying in general that I wouldnt use the fact that they got it correct that she was travelling with people to mean that the article is true... or makes it more creditable.

I would call a bodyguard and a PR person an entourage.

en·tou·rage (nt-räzh)
n.
1. A group of attendants or associates; a retinue.
2. One's environment or surroundings.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

I think she is a little nuts. From the interviews and all that she just does not seem right and I remember reading on another source that this is not the first time she thought she had a relationship with someone she was interviewing.

I think Kate Majors is on the odd side too. However, I do think there is some truth to what she is saying. I think Jon was doing more than being interviewed all that time in the Hamptons, maybe he considered it as having some casual fun and she may have read too much into it.

 

[DreaGirl]

I think Kate Majors is on the odd side too. However, I do think there is some truth to what she is saying. I think Jon was doing more than being interviewed all that time in the Hamptons, maybe he considered it as having some casual fun and she may have read too much into it.

I think if these women cannot see that Jon is on the rebound then they are the ones with the blinders on. I think it is very obvious to the rest of us.

 

[DMRick]

Ok, but I believe you discount the articles who name names as well. For example, the pastor neighbor, or the coordinator of one of her speaking engagements, oh and the nurse who was with them for the first year. This is not isolated. I get the feeling you view all of these people as fame/money seeking mis-truth-givers . We will all wait for Beth I guess!

I have not discounted them all. But I have posted when I have believed people were out for their 15 minutes. Where is the pastor now? His 15 minutes over? The nurse, IMO opinion, should have stuck with the hippa laws (not even talk about who her patients were) and kept quiet but yes, I did think it was her 15 minutes.

I don't know who was the coordinator of her speaking engagements. I guess you'll have to go find that for me, since I don't remember it LOL.

I do tend to believe some of what I hear from Kate and Jon, and yes, I would believe what Beth would say too, because she seemed to really know them and doesn't appear to need or crave the 15 minutes. Would I be disappointed if she came out and said that she wanted them to stop the show, and they didn't and that she thinks the kids are being exploited? Yes, but I do believe she knows them better than a pastor that lives down the street and talked so negative about someone because she wouldn't be a part of their neighborhood gatherings. I'm still waiting for her to speak.

And yes, I do tend to not believe tabloid writers, and non named people, and people who appear to want 15 minutes of fame. I'm not fickle..there haven't been many people I have believed about Jon or Kate, and sometimes I don't believe them either (J & K) LOL. I don't believe I'm alone in any of these instances. By the way, there have been several times I haven't commented either way, because I have sensed some real truth (just my opinion).

 

[jpaxton1118]

I guess I have a hard time hearing people defend Kate. I watched her today and she took full advantage of her situation and her KIDS. Why was she on the Today show? She was not really promoting her show. And does she think that she can just go on any show and tell her sob story and think reports will not ask her any hard questions. Before today I thought maybe she felt bad for the way things had turned out but you know what, she doesn't or she would not be talking about her kids and their feelings for the world to hear. She was not there for them but for her, to play the poor wife before Jon's interview came out today. Some PR person told her to do it and I think it backfired. I am sorry that some people think that it is ok to talk about your kids and what they are going through on tv but I don't. If my husband and I were going through something like this I would pull the plug and work on my family, I am not saying getting back with Jon but I would help my kids through this in private. She says that somethings are private yet her kids are not. Give me a break. I have always thought that everyone had their right to defend her that they saw something I did not but today that went away from that feeling. I just don't know how anyone can defend this women.
I know that Jon is not in the press right now and it has turned back to Kate but that was her choice. She went on tv and did the interview, she brought herself back into the spotlight. I don't like Jon's actions right now either but she is the mother and I am a mother and that is where I am coming from.

 

[LoraJ]

And I don't understand the extreme hate and disgust that actually consumes people over a women they do not even know.



I was just watching last weeks episodes finally and once again I said "that's it?" when the rings in the pool incident happened.

 

[madge]

I know things don't come off right in the printed word, so please know I don't mean this as an attack on you..however, I am surprised that it was your name on this post. That said LOL:

And you know that based on what two friends have told you in the past and the one that said she stopped in target for photo's and was pleasant?? Did they say when Kate left the church she was swearing?

no. I never said she swore. she yelled at someone in the parking lot at the church, but to my knowledge, she did not swear.

What I know personally and have been told by friends about Kate's visit here are based on several separate occurrences: the speaking engagement itself, Kate leaving the church, lunch at a local restaurant, and her meeting with fans at Target. I heard some bits and pieces about the book signing, but don't know anyone personally that went to that. Different events, different people for each one. I hope I answered your question? LOL

I just don't get why you would say it's about 50% true. Up until know, you have based your answers on facts.

I think many of us have altered our opinions to some extent in these threads over the past year .. I'm still mainly concerned with the facts. That hasn't changed. But in this case, like you, I'm not a fan of the unnamed source. it gives me pause. it also came out very quickly after the interview. almost too quickly.

Since I can't personally stand KLG, I turned her off so I can't comment on her at all.

we are in agreement on that. I only tuned in when a PP mentioned they talked about Kate's interview. I found her perspective interesting, given that she's lived a similar situation. (affair, tabloid stories, life in the public eye)

 

[jpaxton1118]

And I don't understand the extreme hate and disgust that actually consumes people over a women they do not even know.



I was just watching last weeks episodes finally and once again I said "that's it?" when the rings in the pool incident happened.

I guess it comes from being a child of divorce and a ugly divorce at that and having 3 kids of my own. I don't dislike her because of the way she handles her kids or because of what she wears or any of that. And to be honest before today I really could take or leave her. I was actually starting to feel bad for her a little. but I have a 9 year old son who gets embarrassed if I repeat anything he says, I could not imagine me saying those things on national tv. Also, I know my parents getting a divorce was the right thing and I am glad they did, I have a wonderful step dad who has changed my whole life and I thank God for him all the time. But when I was a child and I was going through it, I was embarrassed that my friends knew what was going on. I just can not imagine going to school and one of my friends telling me what my mom said on tv about what I was saying.

I think that as a parent it is our job to protect our kids. I do believe they need to see that parents argue and have disagreements but I don't think they need to know that daddy is out with a new flavor this week. I don't think as a parent we should be on tv airing our dirty laundry.

This is why I don't like Kate. I think she is taking advantage of this situation without concern for her kids even though she says she does. I do think she loves her kids but I don't think she is thinking about how they feel when it comes to this.

 

[madge]

I see that even on bulletin boards..people think they are unknown, and even the nicest people in person, if they think they are anonymous, can say hateful things...so why would it be different in a tabloid?

when I joined the DIS all those years ago, I used my own name for my user name .. it was one of the first boards I ever joined, and it didn't occur to me to be clever and make up something... so there's no anonymity for me.

 

[madge]

Kate and her entourage hit up FAO. So I guess the article got the entourage part right.

http://justjared.buzznet.com/photo-gallery/2120022/kate-gosselin-fao-schwarz-toy-store-01/

hey ... there's Steve the bodyguard!

 

[madge]

I was just watching last weeks episodes finally and once again I said "that's it?" when the rings in the pool incident happened.

I'll complain loudly and often about the safety issues -- especially the pool and the bikes. it's not a Kate specific complaint for me. LOL.

 

[MAKmom]

I guess it comes from being a child of divorce and a ugly divorce at that and having 3 kids of my own. I don't dislike her because of the way she handles her kids or because of what she wears or any of that. And to be honest before today I really could take or leave her. I was actually starting to feel bad for her a little. but I have a 9 year old son who gets embarrassed if I repeat anything he says, I could not imagine me saying those things on national tv. Also, I know my parents getting a divorce was the right thing and I am glad they did, I have a wonderful step dad who has changed my whole life and I thank God for him all the time. But when I was a child and I was going through it, I was embarrassed that my friends knew what was going on. I just can not imagine going to school and one of my friends telling me what my mom said on tv about what I was saying.

I think that as a parent it is our job to protect our kids. I do believe they need to see that parents argue and have disagreements but I don't think they need to know that daddy is out with a new flavor this week. I don't think as a parent we should be on tv airing our dirty laundry.

This is why I don't like Kate. I think she is taking advantage of this situation without concern for her kids even though she says she does. I do think she loves her kids but I don't think she is thinking about how they feel when it comes to this.

Kate has not gotten to the point where her kids are telling her not to tell everyone what they say....she really does tell EVERONE lol . My kids started when they were tweens telling me to stop. I used to tell people all the time
what they said. I find it hard not to.

THe show will really be good when the twins are teenagers

 

[mousey]

Ok, but I believe you discount the articles who name names as well. For example, the pastor neighbor, or the coordinator of one of her speaking engagements, oh and the nurse who was with them for the first year. This is not isolated. I get the feeling you view all of these people as fame/money seeking mis-truth-givers . We will all wait for Beth I guess!

How about an open letter to Kate Gosselin written by Alyssa Martina and published in the Detroit News about Kate's May 14th speaking appearance. Graciousness, the lesson you left out! Very good article about how busy she must be with 8 kids and promoting her books and tv show. It goes on to say that she also was not very warm or nice. She was rude to hosts and sponsors. Snottiness is how the audience described her.
It's funny that she is cast in a negative light often. Is it possible that all these people are lying just to get back at her?? I don't think so. The majority of these people describing her could care less about 15 min. of fame.

 

[jpaxton1118]

Kate has not gotten to the point where her kids are telling her not to tell everyone what they say....she really does tell EVERONE lol . My kids started when they were tweens telling me to stop. I used to tell people all the time
what they said. I find it hard not to.

THe show will really be good when the twins are teenagers

The twins are. My son is 9 and if I repeat anything minor he says he would get mad, he would probably be mad at me right now for telling you this. And when I say mad, I am not talking about screaming and yelling, it is more of an embarrassed mad. I could not imagine going on tv and telling the world that he said something silly.

 

[madge]

Is it possible that all these people are lying just to get back at her?? I don't think so. The majority of these people describing her could care less about 15 min. of fame.

I think that's a good point. Many of the accounts on the internet are like mine, from moms, bloggers, regular people. I'm sure there are people out there posting that hope to be seen by a larger audience, but I think for the most part, they're blogging about Kate one day and their kids the next. I don't know that those people are out there to "get back" at Kate. I know I'm not. I haven't blogged about her in several weeks, choosing to focus on my photography blog, instead.

PS. and by blogs, I mean blogs not dedicated (one way or the other) to tracking the Gosselins.

 

[mistydoodles]

Here is an article confirming that Kate will be taping with Regis and Kelly on Tuesday for an interview that will appear on Thursday's show.


http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2...is_and_kelly_while_jon_abruptly_cancels_.html

 

[DMRick]

Thanks for answering me so nicely..I know with the written word, it's easy to assume it's an attack, and it certainly wasn't meant to be.
I do know that some people have had negative views of Kate after talks, but I also know many have had positive views..just like on this board, everyone has an opinion. I just wasn't expecting you to say that Kate being nasty on the way out of the interview, based on an unnamed source, could be 50% right (or wrong LOL), since you have always tried to have facts to back up what you say.

no. I never said she swore. she yelled at someone in the parking lot at the church, but to my knowledge, she did not swear.

What I know personally and have been told by friends about Kate's visit here are based on several separate occurrences: the speaking engagement itself, Kate leaving the church, lunch at a local restaurant, and her meeting with fans at Target. I heard some bits and pieces about the book signing, but don't know anyone personally that went to that. Different events, different people for each one. I hope I answered your question? LOL



I think many of us have altered our opinions to some extent in these threads over the past year .. I'm still mainly concerned with the facts. That hasn't changed. But in this case, like you, I'm not a fan of the unnamed source. it gives me pause. it also came out very quickly after the interview. almost too quickly.



we are in agreement on that. I only tuned in when a PP mentioned they talked about Kate's interview. I found her perspective interesting, given that she's lived a similar situation. (affair, tabloid stories, life in the public eye)