Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 5

[happygirl]

You have no way of knowing he didn't try to work it out -- he wrote his own vows for the renewal and Kate did what? Picked on him. And since it was Kate who said she wouldn't have married him again (in the People article and elsewhere) how do you know that it wasn't really her call. Either Jon had to be what she told him to be, or move on.



Well, I can't agree with this statement, and I find the tone quite condescending. I don't think Kate had it so bad -- all she had to do was cook and that was because she wouldn't let anybody else in her kitchen. Maybe he just didn't want to do everything her way -- there often is more than one right way to do things. Maybe sometimes he just wanted to take care of the kids, house, etc. his way, without being told he was doing it wrong. If I had somebody telling me that everything I did was wrong, I wouldn't lift a finger.



No, he didn't give an interview to People. They wrote a story about him -- the Paparazzi asked him some questions, but he didn't give an interview. People is very much on Kate's side -- they do have an exclusive with her (and it likely works both ways)



ITA!



But on his non-custodial days, he isn't supposed to be doing those things. Unfortunately, that's how divorce works. If a kid needs to be picked up, taken to a game, taken to the dentist, it's the parent who has custody that day who is supposed to go.



No, we can't all agree on this. Like I said before, Kate was just controlling -- I don't think Jon had to be controlled -- he seemed perfectly capable of taking care of the kids. Yet Kate had to criticize everything he did, and in front of the kids (that's demeaning).

Just because somebody doesn't do everything the way that Kate wants it to be done, it doesn't mean they do everything wrong.

Did I say he did everything wrong?

 

[happygirl]

Once again this thread comes down to Kate haters and Kate supporters.

 

[DMRick]

He was doing doing what she asked, then she screamed at him to do something else when she changed her mind.

Kate called them love taps too. Could a man hit a woman like that and then joke it off? Go ahead and share when Kate was kind. I'm sure you can think of one to name.

Neither of them were kind a lot on the show to each other. Notice I said on the show..we saw what TLC showed us. He wasn't kind when he asked her about the stick, and he wasn't kind when they were going to do the garage sale for cancer, and were getting set up. John's kindest to Kate was when she had her tujmmy tuck. Kate was kind to Jon, when he did something correctly...she would pat him and tell him he was a good man. She told the kids he was a good daddy. She yelled at him in public and he told her he was humiliated. She said she was sorry. It was very loud to us, of course she was wearing a mike. Kate worked with the kids making cards for daddy for valentine's day as well as other days. He brought her home flowers, and when she said thank you so much, he said he got them because she said she wanted them.

This break up was a long time coming. It was both of their faults.

 

[redrosesix]

Did Kate actually say in an interview that she doesn't speak with her parents? That's not the impression I got. I thought they didn't want to be involved in the show. I thought they weren't very involved with Kevin's children either. Back before her dad's church asked people to not give interviews, I thought one of the members said they were talking with Kate and Jon.

No, it's Jon's mother who doesn't want to be on the show. So, if Jon or the kids want to see her they go to her place -- apparently everybody who attends birthday parties, etc. must agree to being filmed. Same goes for his brothers -- they just aren't part of the show although he sees them regularly and speaks to his mother every day on the phone.

Kate has no relationship with her parents, at all, or most of her siblings.

I can imagine Jon wasn't too happy about not being allowed to spend time with his family just because they didn't want to be on the show. I think things will change on the days that he's in the house.

 

[redrosesix]

That is the point. It not as bad as you think. Do you really think so many people would stand around and watch her "abuse" him. I don't think so. How many adults would stand by and let another adult abuse another adult. Not many that I know.

I think that if a spouse tells the other that they don't like being treated a certain way, the other should stop. That's the point. If Jon said he didn't like it, that should have never happened again. Whether it was a "love tap" or a punch, it's the disrespect that hurts the most.

I think that is the point.

 

[DMRick]

he was fired from 2 jobs, and then went to work with Bob. the next thing we knew, he was staying home to do the show .. If he was fired from working with Bob, I missed it! She never mentioned that in her speech, only the 2 that fired him over the insurance issues.

I thought Jon said it didn't work out with Bob, and so he decided it would work out best if he stayed home with the kids, then Kate would be able to travel. I thought it was on a show, not an interview. It gets so hard to remember what I heard where.

 

[Mom2Nick]

I think that if a spouse tells the other that they don't like being treated a certain way, the other should stop. That's the point. If Jon said he didn't like it, that should have never happened again. Whether it was a "love tap" or a punch, it's the disrespect that hurts the most.I think that is the point.

Exactly! If you value your spouse and your marriage you try and avoid doing things you know hurt them emotionally.

 

[kidshop]

DO you think she really hit him hard. Did he cry?? Did he say ouch.

You never did answer my question. Is everyone plotting along with Kate for her to beat him and humiliate him?

well, I asked you a few questions you never answered either. Humiliate yes, she did lots of times in many ways some of which have been pointed out. Abuse? It's subjective as to the degree. She did hit him, no denying that.

 

[phamton]

Once again this thread comes down to Kate haters and Kate supporters.

It's been mentioned several times on this thread but bears mentioning again: Being called a Kate-hater is insulting, just as being called sheeple is insulting. You can be a non-supporter and not be a hater. Very few of us "hate" Kate. I just don't think she's innocent of all charges here. There were several times on the show that she told her kids not to listen to daddy because he was mean, etc. That is disrespectful. Even though I think Jon is way worse than Kate right now, I still think Kate made lots of mistakes. I don't hate Kate and I've only seen one poster who claimed to hate her on this thread. Labels are never nice no matter what side you are on.

 

[MsAmerica]

I came to this thread wondering what you would all be saying about Jon's engagement to Hailey but I don't think anyone has posted it here yet.

Justjared.com is reporting that Jon gave Hailey a diamond engagement ring.

The story continues.....


MsA

 

[mousey]

I agree that they are both at fault. They say that money is the root of all evil and while I think the show started out innocently, it certainly changed when they started getting all the freebies and vacations. This also changed the dynamic of the show. What family of 10 jetsets around to different resorts for weeks at a time when technically neither parent actually has a job. I have heard people say they read Kate's books because they were curious--that said, they also commented that they were poorly written. It won't be long before they start showing up at the dollar store.

 

[DMRick]

Kate has no relationship with her parents, at all, or most of her siblings.

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Can you show me where you found this info? I know things are not good with Kevin and Jodi right now, but I have never read anything saying that Kate did not talk with her parents.

 

[DMRick]

I agree that they are both at fault. They say that money is the root of all evil .

The love of money, not just money. Money can also be used for good. I don't think it's just the trips and the freebee's that made this show go south. It was the lack of respect for each other, and I think that started in season 2. Maybe even sooner, but TLC sure showed it a lot starting then. They know what brings viewers and it did.

I'm sure that Jon was humiliated when Kate called his name at the toy store, and told him he was in the wrong place. He has said that he doesn't mind the pats (sorry, I just can't call them hits). If he said he wanted her to stop, then he should have addressed if with her in private, not kiddlingly on TV.

I'm sure Kate was humiliated when Jon yelled at her at Disney, or when he asked when she was going to take the stick out.

They have both disrespected each other. No one has to like Kate or like Jon, and as long as we recognize we each have the right to have opinions, this discussion will continue to be a fun one. Once we start saying that people's opinions are wrong, or that we know just how Kate or Jon felt about something (and all we have is what TLC showed us and we formed opinions from that) then it has the possibility of becoming snarky, and not fun.

 

[Hollywoodhaha]

I came to this thread wondering what you would all be saying about Jon's engagement to Hailey but I don't think anyone has posted it here yet.

Justjared.com is reporting that Jon gave Hailey a diamond engagement ring.

The story continues.....


MsA

We posted it on another page. I think it was page 118
I mentioned that I don't believe it.

 

[DreaGirl]

Once again this thread comes down to Kate haters and Kate supporters.

Once again, when someone does not agree or questions Kate they are automatically a "hater". It's sad that this card has to be pulled out every few pages.

I think that if a spouse tells the other that they don't like being treated a certain way, the other should stop. That's the point. If Jon said he didn't like it, that should have never happened again. Whether it was a "love tap" or a punch, it's the disrespect that hurts the most.

I think that is the point.

I agree.

It's been mentioned several times on this thread but bears mentioning again: Being called a Kate-hater is insulting, just as being called sheeple is insulting. You can be a non-supporter and not be a hater. Very few of us "hate" Kate. I just don't think she's innocent of all charges here. There were several times on the show that she told her kids not to listen to daddy because he was mean, etc. That is disrespectful. Even though I think Jon is way worse than Kate right now, I still think Kate made lots of mistakes. I don't hate Kate and I've only seen one poster who claimed to hate her on this thread. Labels are never nice no matter what side you are on.

Well said, thank you!

I came to this thread wondering what you would all be saying about Jon's engagement to Hailey but I don't think anyone has posted it here yet.

Justjared.com is reporting that Jon gave Hailey a diamond engagement ring.

The story continues.....


MsA

I think at this point it is all speculations. Until I hear it from Jon or Hailey I don't believe it.

Can you show me where you found this info? I know things are not good with Kevin and Jodi right now, but I have never read anything saying that Kate did not talk with her parents.

She said in a show (season 2 or 3) in an interview/Q&A show. The question was asked about Grandparents and Kate said that they don't have contact with her parents because "they didn't know how to help us". Jon said his Mom was busy and she didn't want to be on camera. Then Kate went on the to say that the kids had many people that loved them and loved "us" so they were fine.

 

[redrosesix]

Can you show me where you found this info? I know things are not good with Kevin and Jodi right now, but I have never read anything saying that Kate did not talk with her parents.

It's been talked about a lot in this thread, plus it's been noted in several interviews with both Jon and Kate.

The love of money, not just money. Money can also be used for good. I don't think it's just the trips and the freebee's that made this show go south. It was the lack of respect for each other, and I think that started in season 2. Maybe even sooner, but TLC sure showed it a lot starting then. They know what brings viewers and it did.

I'm sure that Jon was humiliated when Kate called his name at the toy store, and told him he was in the wrong place. He has said that he doesn't mind the pats (sorry, I just can't call them hits). If he said he wanted her to stop, then he should have addressed if with her in private, not kiddlingly on TV.

I'm sure Kate was humiliated when Jon yelled at her at Disney, or when he asked when she was going to take the stick out.

They have both disrespected each other. No one has to like Kate or like Jon, and as long as we recognize we each have the right to have opinions, this discussion will continue to be a fun one. Once we start saying that people's opinions are wrong, or that we know just how Kate or Jon felt about something (and all we have is what TLC showed us and we formed opinions from that) then it has the possibility of becoming snarky, and not fun.

Umm...I remember Jon telling Kate not to hit him. And it wasn't jokingly.

And when did they ever have any privacy? They have both commented that they have such busy days that they can't wait til the end of the day to discuss any issues (because they'll forget them) -- so they used to think it best just to discuss it at the moment. That turned into discussing it on the sofa. And eventually Jon was just saying "I don't have anything to say"

 

[kritter]

http://celebrity.rightpundits.com/?p=6274

 

[WaltD4Me]

http://celebrity.rightpundits.com/?p=6274

Alot of tabloids and celebrity media are reporting the engagement rumor, but most also say it's a rumor. I just don't believe it. Even though I wouldn't be totally shocked, I just can't wrap my mind around Jon being that stupid. Of course, it be though that I am just that niave.

 

[Buckalew11]

correct...LOVE of my money is the root of all evil.
An there seems to be a lot of love for this TLC money, doesn't there?!

I'v also seem the shows where Jon laughs about the love taps and also says it is what they do and how they relate. He seems perfectly OK with it which sorta surprised me.
I realize it bothers some people more than others.

I'm not one to give m DH love pats (and if I did, he would not like them, I don't think) but I gave one of my doctors a haircut the otherday and we were getting snarky back and forth (all in fun) and I did give me 2 love taps, LOL. I immediately thought of kate and Emeril and thought, "ut-oh". LOL

 

[MM27]

another engagement report from Justjared

On Wednesday, it was reported that Jon Gosselin was engaged to Hailey Glassman, his girlfriend of two months.

And now, the jeweler to the father of eight has confirmed the reality star will wed the 22-year-old.

“Yes, we sold Jon Gosselin the engagement ring that he gave to his fiancée,” Edouard Nahum tells In Touch. “It was a great pleasure for us to sell this ring. Our band is very well known by people and stars in Europe.”

Jon, who announced his separation from wife Kate last month, presented his new young love with a ring dripping in black diamonds while vacationing in St. Tropez on July 12.

Congrats to the happy couple! Um, yeah.