Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 5

[Buckalew11]

No, but Kate seemed to. An example: one 4th of July, after everybody was buckled in and they were ready to go, Kate asked Jon if he had packed jackets for the kids, he said yes, then she questioned him what he had packed. He said they had 8 various red, white and blue jackets and fleeces. Sounds fine to me. But no, those weren't the ones Kate wanted. And then she said to jon, in front of the kids "I don't trust your judgement."

Kate's problem was that she couldn't accept that Jon might think or do things differently from her -- and if it wasn't her way, it was the wrong way.



So I guess you would think my DH isn't a responsible, caring Dad because he had to take a job 4 hours from us. Or what about all the soldiers doing tours right now. Or all the dads that work for the fire department, police department, etc. that can't leave work at the drop of a hat.

IMO, 2.5 hours (and that is all that it is) is not that far away, even in an emergency. Heck, many people commute that far every day.

I think I'm getting deja vue -- didn't we discuss the apartment and the vow renewal about 40 pages ago?

Yep, we have had this same exact conversation before. In fact, this whoole page, I think.

My DH is a FF and yours is out of town so I distinctly remember this conversation.

I'm going to bed now. Maybe J or K will do something overnight that we can discuss anew tomorrow.

Night all!!

 

[happygirl]

Yep, we have had this same exact conversation before. In fact, this whoole page, I think.

My DH is a FF and yours is out of town so I distinctly remember this conversation.

I'm going to bed now. Maybe J or K will do something overnight that we can discuss anew tomorrow.

Night all!!

There is always a chance that Jon and Hailey could elope lol

 

[Buckalew11]

That'd be helpful to our thread.

 

[redrosesix]

Wow, I certainly didn't say that, would never say that. Jon doesn't have a job requiring him to be in NY does he? Nope. Is he in the military? Nope. He has the freedom to choose where to live unlike the examples you gave. IMO (my opinion) him choosing to live so far away doesn't seem responsible or caring. I am not talking about military Dads, firefighters, policemen or your DH. I am talking about Jon Gosselin only which the context of my comment clearly illustrated. That's all.

Well, when we discussed this 40 pages ago, I believe the reason Jon was looking for a place in NY was because he was going to get a job there. And with no college education, that would be the best place to get a job in IT -- it also would mean he could work in one location rather than having to travel all over the place, as many people in IT do.

And goodnight, everybody.

 

[Grumpy's Gal]

I thought the whole vow renewal was a sham. If Kate's timeline is correct then they were already having major issues at the time so the vows were just a script written for the viewers.

I think they were already having troubles and all the time she told the kids that mommy and daddy will be together forever and ever........she was just rying to convince jon of that.

I'm sure it will all come out when he writes his book after the divorce is final.

 

[DMRick]

It's been talked about a lot in this thread, plus it's been noted in several interviews with both Jon and Kate.



Umm...I remember Jon telling Kate not to hit him. And it wasn't jokingly.

I'll have to find that episode, because I thought she said, a lot of you wondered where our parents were, and why were they not helping, and when she mentioned hers, I thought she said they didn't want to be a every day part of their lives and the kids. I thought she said it's the same for all of their grandchildren. I do know we have discussd it here. I did not take that to mean she didn't talk to them.

Yes, Jon has said to Kate not to hit him, he has also said it doesn't bother him. I was going back and forth on all of the'ld ones, rewatching when people said things that were said on them, but we now have a nice new TV and it's HD, so I had to exchange my box. I'll have to wait until they are replayed again for exact words.

Just as some don't like it when called Kate haters, I also don't like it when someone says, 'just because we don't care for Kate or how she has behaved, people call us Kate haters'. I've not seen more than one or two say that, so I don't like such a general statement either.

It's been stated many many times that even those who are at this time on Kate's side, have been on Jon's side at times. Some of us go back and forth..it doesn't make us Kate lovers. It just means that with what is going on right now, we are routing for Kate. I happened to believe, and it's my opinion only, that they were both harsh and disrespecting. I also happen to believe that Jon was sneakier about it, and Kate took more of the heat. I gave her some of that heat, until I rewatched the shows, and paid better attention (I have to admit I listened more to the show the first time around, than watched it..and I missed eye rolls and faces from Jon).

We all have to admit that we got more than we bargained for from this show, no matter where your sympathies lie, with the kids, Kate and or Jon. I think TLC let us play right into their hands. I'll be watching in a few weeks.

 

[WaltD4Me]

So I guess you would think my DH isn't a responsible, caring Dad because he had to take a job 4 hours from us. Or what about all the soldiers doing tours right now. Or all the dads that work for the fire department, police department, etc. that can't leave work at the drop of a hat.

IMO, 2.5 hours (and that is all that it is) is not that far away, even in an emergency. Heck, many people commute that far every day.

I totally understand what you are saying, but I think there is a BIG difference between you DH that had to take a job 4 hours away to provide for his family and soldiers, fireman, policeman ect... and JON. You are absolutely correct that some parents have to work either or far away or where they might not be readily available, but Jon has a CHOICE. He had the luxury and financial freedom to choose to live closer to to his children and chose not to. I didn't so much agree with the original OP about him living far away because of a possible emergency, but when they were talking about Jon possibly moving to New York, I was thinking "So soon?" he couldn't live somewhere closer to home while the kids adjusted some? He didn't move there for a job to provide for his family, he moved to New York because that is what HE wanted. Again, many people don't have a choice, but Jon did. BIG difference IMHO.

If your DH was offered the 4 hour away job and then another job, exactly the same as the 4 hour away job, but this one is just 40 minutes away and he took the 4 hour away job, what would you think? What would your kids think?

 

[madge]

I thought Jon said it didn't work out with Bob, and so he decided it would work out best if he stayed home with the kids, then Kate would be able to travel. I thought it was on a show, not an interview. It gets so hard to remember what I heard where.

that sounds familiar, maybe it was an interview? ... I was reasonably sure that Jon wasn't fired by Bob... mainly because Jon being fired (twice) was a focus of one of the segments in Kate's speech. And when she spoke here, Jon was already working from home doing the show.

 

[madge]

It's been mentioned several times on this thread but bears mentioning again: Being called a Kate-hater is insulting, just as being called sheeple is insulting. You can be a non-supporter and not be a hater. Very few of us "hate" Kate. I just don't think she's innocent of all charges here. There were several times on the show that she told her kids not to listen to daddy because he was mean, etc. That is disrespectful. Even though I think Jon is way worse than Kate right now, I still think Kate made lots of mistakes. I don't hate Kate and I've only seen one poster who claimed to hate her on this thread. Labels are never nice no matter what side you are on.

very well put.

 

[madge]

As far as Jon not doing things on his non-custodial days with the kids, what about in case of emergencies? He's all the way in NY at his bachelor pad. Suppose something horrible happens to one of the kids? How long will it take him to get there? I think it was self-centered and yet another slap in the face for Kate that Jon chose to move to NY and live in a posh apartment. IMO a responsible, caring Dad wouldn't have moved hours away from his kids.

where is Kate on her non-custodial days?

 

[madge]

See I don't like all the hatered spewed at Kate. I don't like that at all.

what happened to the non-bashing thread you started? I mean, no on could post on it now, since it's become a giant bashing free for all with Jon's recent activities ..

PS. I should have read ahead .. I see where this has already been answered.

 

[JennaTX]

No, but Kate seemed to. An example: one 4th of July, after everybody was buckled in and they were ready to go, Kate asked Jon if he had packed jackets for the kids, he said yes, then she questioned him what he had packed. He said they had 8 various red, white and blue jackets and fleeces. Sounds fine to me. But no, those weren't the ones Kate wanted. And then she said to jon, in front of the kids "I don't trust your judgement."

Kate's problem was that she couldn't accept that Jon might think or do things differently from her -- and if it wasn't her way, it was the wrong way. If I had to deal with that regularly, I would just give up trying to do anything. So, I don't see it as being the case that Kate had to control Jon, at least not always.



So I guess you would think my DH isn't a responsible, caring Dad because he had to take a job 4 hours from us. Or what about all the soldiers doing tours right now. Or all the dads that work for the fire department, police department, etc. that can't leave work at the drop of a hat.
IMO, 2.5 hours (and that is all that it is) is not that far away, even in an emergency. Heck, many people commute that far every day.

I think I'm getting deja vue -- didn't we discuss the apartment and the vow renewal about 40 pages ago?

I'm sure your DH is a responisble, loving, husband and father!

But to compare Jon to firemen, policemen, or armed forces, just amazes me. Especially the armed forces....you think anyone in the military can just up and walk away for a few weeks to be on the French Riviera? Or even policemen, firefighters can do this??

If Jon had been searching for a job and could not find one near his children, and his only choice was to go to NY for a job to support his children, that would be different.

Well, when we discussed this 40 pages ago, I believe the reason Jon was looking for a place in NY was because he was going to get a job there. And with no college education, that would be the best place to get a job in IT -- it also would mean he could work in one location rather than having to travel all over the place, as many people in IT do.

And goodnight, everybody.

Right, Jon was supposedly getting a job in IT. I wonder how that job hunting was going while he was in France?

So if J&K are splitting up their time with the kids, Jon chooses to use his off on a vaction, I thought he was looking for a job?

 

[GeorgiaPeach8]

I read this yesterday--the People article, I think. I read a few mags my mom had from the grocery.

Jon said something in the article to the effect of--when his filming was over he and Hailey would be going on a real vacation and he would not be telling the paps anything about it.

Now, that leads to several intersting questions-Did his "people" announce his trip? Why wasn't a yacht trip in Europe a "real" vacation? and is the man just an idiot he basically just challenged the paps to hound him for the next few months to make sure they know every move he makes.

 

[redrosesix]

My personal feeling is that we won't really know all of the details until a long time from now, like somebody mentioned when Jon writes his book (or Kate does, or they start doing interviews) It may just be when the TLC contract ends (hopefully tomorrow) since it seems like there is a lot of keeping up appearances for the sake of the show.

We don't really know when they separated, except there are rumours that Kate suggested a separation agreement at the time they renewed the TLC contract. Maybe Jon's dating, or buying an apartment, etc. isn't all that sudden. Maybe their relationship has deteriorated even more because neither one had the space to consider what the consequences of their actions were.

Or maybe Jon has always cheated on Kate but kept it very quiet until she asked for the divorce. Maybe Kate did have an affair but was better at hiding it.

Either way, I am certainly not a Kate supporter -- I disagree too much with many of the things she did or said (not just to Jon) -- and I can't be a Jon supporter because he's acting like an idiot right now (I don't mind the bike, the earrings, the hat -- it's the lack of discretion and choice of girlfriends that bugs me). And unfortunately I think that between Kate doing the People article and filing for divorce, and Jon's trip to St. Tropez and all of the details that went with it, there is no going back for this couple. Had they been a non-famous couple, perhaps they may have been able to reconcile somewhere down the road. Or at least have a more amicable separation.

 

[DreaGirl]

We all have to admit that we got more than we bargained for from this show, no matter where your sympathies lie, with the kids, Kate and or Jon. I think TLC let us play right into their hands. I'll be watching in a few weeks.

It's not that way for me. TLC actually turned me off the show but the paparazzi and this thread keep me paying attention.

I won't be watching. I'll rely on you all to keep me up to date.

 

[redrosesix]

It's not that way for me. TLC actually turned me off the show but the paparazzi and this thread keep me paying attention.

I won't be watching. I'll rely on you all to keep me up to date.

You sound like me -- I haven't been able to watch for a long time. But since I've gotten into this thread, I've been going back an watching parts of it on Youtube. And that has reminded me why I stopped watching in the first place.

 

[AlleyKat]

what happened to the non-bashing thread you started? I mean, no on could post on it now, since it's become a giant bashing free for all with Jon's recent activities .

I made several posts on said thread several days ago. I'm a Kate and kids lover BUT I chose that thread to (lightly)bash Jon and "that girl" as my love for the show overrides my dislike for him.

That stated, I'm dying to watch the new shows!

 

[Mermaid02]

But on his non-custodial days, he isn't supposed to be doing those things. Unfortunately, that's how divorce works. If a kid needs to be picked up, taken to a game, taken to the dentist, it's the parent who has custody that day who is supposed to go.

I can't remember who said this- but I have to disagree. There are EIGHT children in this situation. Eight children close in age- it's very possible 2 are sick at the same time- very possible one parent is at the dentist with one and the school calls because someone has thrown up. If Jon were in close proximity- he could be there when his kids needed him and not just when it's his turn. School plays- assemblies- trips to the ER- chaperoning class trips- it goes on and on. By moving his second residence to NYC, Jon has made himself a part time parent, and his children will resent his "new life" in the future.

So I guess this means Jon will be fathering more children?

Let's hope not.

I thought the whole vow renewal was a sham. If Kate's timeline is correct then they were already having major issues at the time so the vows were just a script written for the viewers.

I think they were real for Kate. I think she was trying very hard. Just because they were having issues, doesn't mean the renewal was a sham. Maybe it was to Jon- but to her it was real.

where is Kate on her non-custodial days?

I believe I read she got a place right in town. As a mother I know I could NEVER live as far away from my young children as Jon has chosen to do part time.

 

[DMRick]

But on his non-custodial days, he isn't supposed to be doing those things. Unfortunately, that's how divorce works. If a kid needs to be picked up, taken to a game, taken to the dentist, it's the parent who has custody that day who is supposed to go.

I can't remember who said this- but I have to disagree. There are EIGHT children in this situation. Eight children close in age- it's very possible 2 are sick at the same time- very possible one parent is at the dentist with one and the school calls because someone has thrown up. If Jon were in close proximity- he could be there when his kids needed him and not just when it's his turn. School plays- assemblies- trips to the ER- chaperoning class trips- it goes on and on. By moving his second residence to NYC, Jon has made himself a part time parent, and his children will resent his "new life" in the future.

I agree. While I'm sure both parents will be out of town at times, most people I know live very close to their children..at least close enough to go to sporting games, help with appointments, etc. no matter who is supposed to have them that day. I understand that Jon is just 2-3 hours (depending on traffic..some days getting out NYC that will be a lot longer), but there were choices he could make that many other's have no choice in, because of money. He could have chose to be an everyday part of his kids lives, and moved much closer. I would have felt the same if Kate moved farther away.

 

[happygirl]

Bye guys. I'm off on vacation have a great couple of days