Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 5

[whitneyNC]

Look at all the moms who do that to their kids right here on the DIS.

Are you comparing a fairly anonymous message board to the Today show/People magazine? On the dis, probably not the best idea I agree. If Kate had a sister or friend to talk to about the child's reaction that seems a little more normal, but to large market media (LIKE People magazine!!!) not cool!

 

[Epcot luvr]

Because she can get pregnant!!!! Women with the syndrome she is "reported" to be diagnosed with can still get pregnant. It may just be harder for them. There are different degrees of the syndrome. They may not ovulate at all, making it impossible to get pregnant, or they may ovulate less often. Making it a little harder and take a while longer to hit a cycle where they ovulated. Apparently, Kate's syndrome is not that bad (if she has it at all - remember she was nurse, and knows the answers to give to questions to get a fertility doctor to treat you) Rumor is she pretty much lied the first go around about how long she had been trying. She had always wanted twins and was over-interested in multiples and the attention that the Macauheys (sp?) received. She wanted multiples. She did not have the eggs fertilized outside of her body and then have the embryos implanted, she took a drug that stimulates egg production. Then she got prego the old fashioned way. She became pregant immediately with the twins, and the doctor told her the second time she showed up , that no, she didn't need the drug, she would be fine on her own, and the chance of multiples was too high. So then she went doctor shopping. Found a doctor that must not be that ethical, and received the same type of drug. She was hospitalized after this for over-stimulated ovaries (probably because healthy ovaries will react this way when given this drug), which means that she was producing way too many eggs. They were told NOT to have sex, to wait until the next cycle, that having sex would result in a large number of multiples, and guess what she ran home and did?

So THAT is why Jon would get snipped. Because Kate CAN get pregnant. She is just such a control freak, she couldn't leave anything to chance and wanted to be pregnant immediately and wanted to control the number of babies.

 

[brockash]

You're right!

And it really seems like he has already kicked the cameras out of the house when he is there alone with the kids -- just looking at the clips on Youtube, etc., I don't see any where he's hanging out with the kids alone, only her. Maybe that's what she meant when she said she had to protect herself and her kids -- maybe he's refusing to allow any taping. It wouldn't surprise me. Half the time he seems to have the attitude of "I'm only talking to this camera because I have a contract and I have to"

As a separated or divorced parent, here anyway, Jon might have more power to break the contract and keep his kids off camera ie. when people are married they don't have to get the other parent's permission to sign a contract on their child's behalf.

He very well I suppose could have "kicked the cameras out," but I'll say that's certainly not the impression he gave on the last episode. When he was asked what the seperation means as far as the show's concerned, and if we would still see him, he said yes, and didn't seem to show any issues with the camera's. He said something about maybe not being on as much and of course he didn't know for sure anything, because he may get a job offer.

Also, a few weeks ago there was an article (I'm sure it's on thread 4 somewhere) where Jon was interviewed about the exploitation of the kids, and he blunty said he thought that was rediculous and that the show wasn't exploiting the kids ect.

I suppose one could say that he could have been "contractually" forced to say all of those things I'm just not sure where everyone's getting the impression that he really just wants the show to end and the camera's to go away. The only time we heard him say anything like that was at the end of season 4, and that was when all the "p ppl." stuff was going on and he was taking a lot of heat for getting caught in less than desirable situations. Other than that, I've never heard him say anything about not liking the show camera's ect. and I've never heard him say anything about the camera's being bad for the kids, just himself.

 

[blissventure]

So you really think that as a Mother while telling her child that they were getting divorced that she was thinking about what she would say later to the news?

Ummm...Yes I absolutely do. And I totally don't understand her need to blab about how they dropped the news of the divorce, along with the kid's reactions to People mag.
Disclaimer: I'm one of those goofy moms that doesn't blab her kid's business to friends, much less to millions of readers. I think once kids realize you either can't (or don't want to) keep your mouth shut about their very personal business, there's a good chance they will gradually learn that you're basically untrustworthy.

 

[whitneyNC]

Because she can get pregnant!!!! Women with the syndrome she is "reported" to be diagnosed with can still get pregnant. It may just be harder for them. .

That is basically how I have heard their "family planning" to have played out.

 

[Epcot luvr]

Look at all the moms who do that to their kids right here on the DIS.

The difference is on the DIS it is pretty much anonymous.

 

[madge]

Are you comparing a fairly anonymous message board to the Today show? On the dis, probably not the best idea I agree. If Kate had a sister or friend to talk to about the child's reaction that seems a little more normal, but to large market media, not cool. What was she doing on the Today show so soon anyway? I think that is tacky.

when was Kate on The Today Show?

 

[brockash]

Look at all the moms who do that to their kids right here on the DIS.

Very very true. Sure it's on a different level (although the Gosselins are on a different public level than any of us,) but it's all still the same concept. Ppl. on here astonish me with the perfect parent preaching they do. Everyone makes mistakes, but to imply that Kate was taking notes on what she'd tell the media while they were telling their kids they're getting seperated is such a rediculous stretch. Some of the comments I've been reading lately are just so completely nuts. Some act like they're the most evil ppl. in the world, some have all tried to imply that they (or just Kate) tried to have 8 kids, because somehow they must have known how much money they would get for them It's so insane. I certainly hope no one ever judges any of you (of course the general you, as not everyone has been as judgemental) as harshly as some of you have been, but that's right none of you are nearly as evil/selfish ect. as they are.

 

[whitneyNC]

when was Kate on The Today Show?

I thought that was where she had been talking about the kids' reaction to the divorce news.
I could be completely mixed up. Haven't been watching, only reading about this drama.

 

[brockash]

Are you comparing a fairly anonymous message board to the Today show? On the dis, probably not the best idea I agree. If Kate had a sister or friend to talk to about the child's reaction that seems a little more normal, but to large market media, not cool. What was she doing on the Today show so soon anyway? I think that is tacky.

OMG!! She wasn't even on the Today show. She did an interview for ppl. magazine last week, and the writer was on the Today show. She wasn't ON any shows, they had writer's from Ppl. magazine, so yes she did do an interview with a magazine last week, but no she didn't make any public appearances on t.v.

 

[brerrabbit]

Are you absolutely sure they haven't done this? I don't think anyone could argue the fact that these parents love their children so I'm sure their future has been secured in some way or other. I do watch this show and I do it because I love seeing these kids. They are amazing. It's sad what they are going through right now. No matter how much anyone can say that they are better off without their parents' fighting any child would much rather have life go on with both mom and dad right there in the same house together. That's human nature. I think they would be heartbroken to hear folks refer to their lives as a trainwreck. And if people weren't interested in this family I don't think this show would have the ratings that it has. It's just a shame that Jon and Kate couldn't find a way to make it to the finish line.

Of course I am not absolutely sure of anything about these people's lives. I as any of us only see and hear what the show tells us and what the media reports. I am basing the assumption on the same proven principle for lottery winners. A person wins the lottery. They have no ide how to manage money, but hey they won the lottery they never have to work another day of their life and have all the money in the world. They buy big houses (like J&K's $1.1 million house), they buy vacation homes (like Jon's Utah ski condo), they buy nice cars (like the little one Jon zips around in) and thinks all is well. With loterry winners they overspend and forget to factor in some basics, like maintenance and upkeep on two house, utilities, medical insurance, and other basic necessities. At some point the money stops, the lottery winner spends it all, or J&K fall from grace and TLC dumps them. Take a look sometime at the statistics on lottery winners and what percentage are flat broke within several years after winning the lottery. J&K won the lottery and are getting their 15 minutes of fame, but without some financial disipline and common sense those 15 minutes are not going to pay for a lifetime of living for ten people.

 

[phamton]

They were told NOT to have sex, to wait until the next cycle, that having sex would result in a large number of multiples, and guess what she ran home and did?

They didn't have intercourse. She said in the book that she had intrauterine insemination--no romance, no flowers, just a cold metal table with bright overhead lights and her feet in stirrups.

So I assume that the doctor did agree to the insemination during that cycle. The doctor saw 3 mature follicles and one other immature follicle before the insemination. He told them that there would be a chance of twins or triplets and an even smaller chance for quads. Kate did say in the book that she and Jon discussed the possibility of quads and were OK with that. They don't usually try for extra eggs unless they are doing implantation (which J&K were not having.) Most times with IUI anything more than 3 follicles is a "no go" although I do think it is up to the patient to decide with 3 follicles.


This is the exact wording from the book: "No romantic dinner, long stemmed roses, smooth wine or flickering candle light preceded the event. Instead it was a date with a cold sterile room, bright overhead lights, and awkward stirrups."

Her hospitalization for over-stimulation occurred 2 weeks later. The doctor at the hospital told her that her abdomen was filled with fluid and that her ovaries had blown up to the size of a newborn's head. I do know that when you get pregnant that the follicles that released the eggs can continue to grow as hormones are released. I had an ovarian cyst the size of a grapefruit when I was pregnant with my first. It eventually shrunk.

 

[whitneyNC]

OMG!! She wasn't even on the Today show. She did an interview for ppl. magazine last week, and the writer was on the Today show. She wasn't ON any shows, they had writer's from Ppl. magazine, so yes she did do an interview with a magazine last week, but no she didn't make any public appearances on t.v.

I'm glad to hear that. I made a mistake because people here were referencing the Today show. So sorry, don't have a cow.

 

[talulabelle]

How in the world do YOU know all of this to be true? Were you in the Dr.'s office with them??? Why would you make statements like this, and act as if they were fact, when in reality, I highly doubt you even know the Gosselins, let alone got info. from their Dr. I mean, how would you like it, if I started making statements as if they were fact about you and your medical records?

I don't know ANYTHING to be true, none of us do. If you only want facts supported by hard evidence, you are on the wrong message board. Everything I posted has been widely reported by many media outlets. The reason I "believe" it to be true is because the timeline totally supports it. Even with PSOC, (which my SIL has, so I know a good bit about it, and what she went through to get pregnant) a doctor will make a couple try for a year. They did not wait a year. They were YOUNG and had many years to try, it's not like she was 40 and the clock was ticking. Also, it is fact that her first doctor would not treat her the second time. That has been verified by many news reports. It is also fact that the month she became pregnant with the sextuplets, she had been hopitalized for over-stimulated ovaries. Also verfied many times. Putting these things together, it makes sense.

This is a board where we are all discussing what we think, not what we KNOW. If we were only talking about things we know, could not state our opinions unless they ere backed up by hard evidence, this would be a very boring board, with just some facts listed with their dates of birth and place residence and other things that are public record.

 

[blissventure]

Very very true. Sure it's on a different level (although the Gosselins are on a different public level than any of us,) but it's all still the same concept. Ppl. on here astonish me with the perfect parent preaching they do. Everyone makes mistakes, but to imply that Kate was taking notes on what she'd tell the media while they were telling their kids they're getting seperated is such a rediculous stretch. Some of the comments I've been reading lately are just so completely nuts. Some act like they're the most evil ppl. in the world, some have all tried to imply that they (or just Kate) tried to have 8 kids, because somehow they must have known how much money they would get for them It's so insane. I certainly hope no one ever judges any of you (of course the general you, as not everyone has been as judgemental) as harshly as some of you have been, but that's right none of you are nearly as evil/selfish ect. as they are.

The same concept, really? "Funnyname456789" posts about (DD or DS) is the same to you as Kate Gosslin (real name) giving public TV and magazine interviews that include very personal information about (real name) child???
Should people use some discretion on message boards? Of course they should.
But when a mother decides to deliberately violate a child's trust about how mom and dad broke devastating news and the child's reaction, well to me that's beyond the pale. I can only hope the judge in the divorce case feels the same. Kate needs some boundaries with consequences should she feel the need to chat about the divorce/kids in public again.
Judges have the power to do just that if they want to.

 

[airhead]

I think Jon will have another child. I know it sounds crazy but I'm just saying......

I bet he does too. I think he will start a whole new life with his new earings...He's so proud of himself.

 

[madge]

I thought that was where she had been talking about the kids' reaction to the divorce news.
I could be completely mixed up. Haven't been watching, only reading about this drama.

the writer from People magazine was on The Today Show. She revealed what Kate said in her interview about the children.

As far as I know, Kate (or Jon) has not been on any of the talk/news shows since Monday.

 

[LoraJ]

The difference is on the DIS it is pretty much anonymous.

Many times these posters have photos of their kids in signatures and in trip reports.

 

[newtodis]

But at the same time, I wish they'd all shut the heck up... and stop riding the daggone drama llama.

Agreed. The "drama llama" made me laugh!

Wishful thinking? If Kate said it enough Jon would believe her? How come we all saw it coming but she didn't?

I think it's so much easier from the outside looking in to see that there's a problem or something going on. It's also easier, IMO, for an "outsider" to see the "way out" if that makes sense.

As far as Jon getting a job,
I could see him being offered something along the lines of a morning radio talk show thing. I do not think is a comic genuis but, I do think he could make a living mocking himself.

I could see that. I always wondered if he was going back to work for Kevin (that's who he worked for before right???) when he went and talked to them about the marriage being over?? Maybe asked for a job because he knew he'd need the income if the show was going to end?

Why is the "main-stream, ie non-tabloid" media treating these people with kid gloves?

That is what I want to hear. I want to see them squirm with blank faces while trying to think what to say because the PR person didn't prepare for them to be sabatoged by the weather man.

I doubt that's going to happen. I would think when J or K agree to an interview, it's a predetermined list of questions (maybe not the specific wording, but more agreed upon topics) and a list of what's not going to be up for discussion.

it's a 12-step process for me. I won't watch the show on Mondays, anymore. That's step 1 .. and it's as far as I've gotten. Weaning myself from the rest of the drama is step 11. Step 12 is leaving this thread. I haven't worked out 2-10 yet.

Good luck with your process!! (laughing at your steps - not at you!)

What is this Blind Gossip website? Is this site usually right?

I was wondering the same thing about if they're "right" often or not. If someone was expecting, I can't believe some tabloid hasn't shared that information yet! Now if it's a disease, I guess that would be harder to "proove"....

Everyone keeps assuming that Jon will be paying Kate child support. I know it works differently in every state but there is a good chance that she could end up paying him child support AND alimony.

Think about it, he has been the primary caregiver (I know he's had help yada, yada), while she has been out touring and promoting her book. SHE is the one who has been bringing in the money. If they truely are doing a 50/50 split at the house then she will be paying him because he has been a "SAHD", if he can also prove that he has been the primary caregiver and gave up his job so she could work then she could end up paying alimony as well.

I *think* that Jon was listed as one of the authors on both books if I remember correctly so he would be getting the proceeds from those books (his "share" for his contributions). As for the speaking, I'm not 100% sure how it works but if the venue is writing a check, I would guess it goes to the agency Kate's working with then Kate gets a cut of that. I don't know that he'd be able to proove he was the "primary caregiver" - or if either of them could at this point honestly. They've both been gone recently. I also think employees pay/time cards would come into play as well to determine who's at home when and when no one's at home but the "help". I would think if this gets nasty, past and present employees are going to be brought in to "prove" J or K's side about who was home when and who did what....yikes!

 

[jpaxton1118]

I feel for women who can not have children. I have PCOS and a tilted uturius and in all aspects I should not have the 3 kids that I have. I thank the lord, did not have any problem concieving. Actually it was quit the opposite. but my best friend also has PCOS. She was able to have the first one natually but then when they tried again it took years and they ended up having to get help. I admire her and everything she has had to go through and it makes me sick to hear that someone took advantage of their situation.
I have heard for years that Kate had to find another Doctor because her origianal would not do the treatments again and she had to see multiple drs before she would find one that would do it. Also from what I have heard, this doctor has many many patients that have multipies due to him just doing treatments on anyone. I saw her talking one time and she said that she always wanted to have multiples, that was her goal. Do I think she meant 6, no but I do think she wanted multiples again and was going to do what it takes. That makes me sick. I watched my friend and the pain that she went through for years and this lady just goes in without even trying for more then 6 months.
I don't need to be flamed on this. I truely believe that she did this and no one is going to change my mind.