Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 5

[3prettyprincesses]

I also remember thinking at the time that Kate was saying they would be "together forever" way to many times, almost like she was trying to convince herself. We can all be blind to what is going on in our own lives, especially when the obvious is so painful.

I remember too. I really felt it was genuine on both their parts, maybe a bit more on Kate's. Here's the youtube clip of their vow renewal below...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghAnnilUdl0&feature=fvw

 

[momrek06]

What is this Blind Gossip website? They are hinting that either Deanna or Kate is pregnant? Is this site usually right?

Anyway, I thought that Jon was looking at STUDIO apts. $3600 in Trump. Now if he is looking at a 4 bedroom in Trump... I also thought Kate & Jon agreed that the kids home is in PA and Jon would visit them there. They would not drive the kiddos back and forth to the City.

 

[madge]

What is this Blind Gossip website? They are hinting that either Deanna or Kate is pregnant? Is this site usually right?

for anyone that doesn't know, the definition of a blind item is:
When a gossip columnist doesn't have enough evidence to support a claim about a celebrity, where naming said celebrity would result in a lawsuit, giving no names but mild clues to the celebrity's identity in the latest gossip.

BlindGossip.com posts this disclaimer the blog:

3. Disclaimer

1. This is a gossip site. Information published on the site may be rumors, conjecture, or satire and may be inaccurate or contain errors. BlindGossip.com makes no warranties or guarantees about the accuracy or reliability of the site’s content.

I've read it off and on for a while .. but I have no idea how often they're right or not. In the case of Jon and Kate items, BG was contacted by someone representing the Gosselins and asked them to stop posting.
http://blindgossip.com/index.php/2009/06/19/dear-wonk-spike/

 

[Nancy]

Anyway, I thought that Jon was looking at STUDIO apts. $3600 in Trump. Now if he is looking at a 4 bedroom in Trump... I also thought Kate & Jon agreed that the kids home is in PA and Jon would visit them there. They would not drive the kiddos back and forth to the City.

I wouldn't believe too much of what OK magazine says...they are not really known for reporting true stories.

That BG site is interesting...makes one wonder. And I didn't know Jon was snipped.

 

[kidshop]

not sure if anyone mentioned the blind gossip site again, but here is blind item number 5:
http://blindgossip.com/index.php/2009/06/24/bg12345-duck-duck-truth-5/

Please tell me that someone has had the big V!
Why would you not? I really hope he has an STD LOL!

 

[redrosesix]

Anyway, I thought that Jon was looking at STUDIO apts. $3600 in Trump. Now if he is looking at a 4 bedroom in Trump... I also thought Kate & Jon agreed that the kids home is in PA and Jon would visit them there. They would not drive the kiddos back and forth to the City.

Every credible source I've heard including the guys lawyer says that they will be co-parenting ie. taking turns staying with the kids in the house -- both parents move in and out of the house, as they have already been doing apparently.

My husband's sister did this -- it worked well for them because they were able to work mucho hours when it wasn't their week with the kids, take some days off when they were back in the house. But it's not for everybody.

 

[Maggimus]

I can completely understand your point of view - but as a person who does not watch the show and does not click on any of the links (unless I'm led to believe it's Jon & Kate actually speaking or have given an interview to a reliable source) this is the only place I read and/or post because I am waiting for the day that I come on here and see that it has been confirmed that the show has been cancelled permanently..When that happens, I'll be gone.. I don't care what happens with Jon & Kate - they are adults.. I care about the kids and it's my opinion that they have been terribly exploited by this show.. When it ends, I'll go off into the sunset (in terms of this thread) and pray with all of my heart that those 8 kids can somehow go on to live a life of privacy - with as little additional damage as possible..

Again - just "my" opinion - which I'm sure not everyone will agree with..

First, thanks for the reply and taking time to read my post. The kids are important to all of us who watch the show and take the time to read here and discuss.

If you feel they are so terribly "exploited" by this show... I really think, like I said, that those of you need to take a stand and walk away. You have the right to post here-- but you wont make anyone change their mind. You are only giving the paparazzi, and TLC, a reason to keep going. Why? Because people are interested, because people are blogging about the couple, posting on message boards, and checking out the photos each and every day (though you don't... you are supporting a thread that does all of this-- and again, i dont mind it a bit! I come here for the photos and links myself). You can easily find out that bit of information that I colored in red (I had to change the color since you bold and color all of your posts) on the television. Going in depth here, arguing/discussing your POV, etc, esp. for someone who doesn't support the show, is giving a lot of time and energy to it. Whether you mean to directly support it is something else entirely... but IMO, you are giving it support.

I watch with sadness.
And, how are you doing?

I agree, the situation is sad. Anytime a couple divorces its terribly sad. Adding 8 kids makes your heart want to break in-two. Having watched this couple from the beginning, we start to feel like we know them. Unfortately, we don't. But those kids weren't being actors at that age. We all feel for the kids.

I am doing well. Thanks for asking

I totally agree.

I think there are a couple of people in this thread that seem to be morbidly obsessed with the show.

Everyone is entitled to post their opinion or engage in a discussion, but some of the things I've seen here border on stalker-like behavior.

I am interested in seeing the photos, etc. I'll admit that. I guess its like a car crash-- you hate to look but its hard not to. I suppose the drama of it all like watching a soap opra for a lot of us. We often forget it's someones reality. I just don't know why those who aren't interested continue to post about it. Obviously there is something to be interested in or they wouldnt give this thread the time of day. I know, the kids! But the kids will be watched by millions-- and the television does a good job of keeping us up-to-date on the welfare of those in hollywood. I didn't belong to a Britney Spears thread... but I did know when she shaved her head and got visits from Dr. Phil-- just by watching the TV. Not that I care for Britney, but she did have 2 children. And when it comes to children-- we all seem to care. I guess its whatever you are interested in. I wasnt as invested into her as I am this couple-- therefore I didnt post on threads, etc. I am this couple, I like seeing the photos, therefore I post. I dont know why I wrote all of this on the response to you. LOL. It has nothing to do with you, or your post. Im sorry!

it's a 12-step process for me. I won't watch the show on Mondays, anymore. That's step 1 .. and it's as far as I've gotten. Weaning myself from the rest of the drama is step 11. Step 12 is leaving this thread. I haven't worked out 2-10 yet.

Haha Madge I enjoy your links, no worries. It is kind of like the Caylee Anthony thread... after a while it went away and so did I. Once all the 'drama' stops-- people will be less interested in them. For now, its like a crazy "you wouldn't believe this" story...

 

[madge]

For now, its like a crazy "you wouldn't believe this" story...

I think this phrase sums up this whole thing perfectly, without a doubt. it's the perfect storm of tabloid journalism. LOL

 

[Nancy]

No girlfriends
http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/24/jon-and-kate-plus-alleged-mistress-not-true/

I notice they never said " he doesn't have a girlfriend" the comment was "we don't plan to use her in the show" (paraphrase)

 

[KristiKelly]

Every credible source I've heard including the guys lawyer says that they will be co-parenting ie. taking turns staying with the kids in the house -- both parents move in and out of the house, as they have already been doing apparently.

My husband's sister did this -- it worked well for them because they were able to work mucho hours when it wasn't their week with the kids, take some days off when they were back in the house. But it's not for everybody.

I can see it working until a man or lady friend comes over for the night.

I'm just now subscribing to the new thread and already 30+ pages.

 

[KristiKelly]

What is this Blind Gossip website? They are hinting that either Deanna or Kate is pregnant? Is this site usually right?

Off Topic but what was the reason behind them using fertility treatments to get pregnant? The reason I ask is, they got married in 1999, twins were born thru fertility in 2000. That's not whole lot of time there. It took DH & myself 10 mo. to get pregnant with our 1st but never considered fertility. Not that it matters now but just curious.

 

[whitneyNC]

Kate says she was diagnosed with polycystic ovarian syndrome. You are right they didn't try long at all to get pregnant. It has always raised eyebrows that she was only 24 and Jon 22 when they began fertility treatments and had been married less than six months. She then shopped around for a second doctor to undergo fertility treatments when the twins were just two, which later resulted in the sextuplets. Rumor has it the first doctor said, no to the second go around. Has Jon had a vesectomy? I thought (for some reason) Kate had her tubes tied.

 

[Grumpy's Gal]

I wouldn't believe too much of what OK magazine says...they are not really known for reporting true stories.

That BG site is interesting...makes one wonder. And I didn't know Jon was snipped.

why would jon be snipped -- if they (J&K) knew they couldn't get pg without help?

 

[brerrabbit]

Here is the problem I have with the whole concept of this show and others like it. They get paid $75k a show to exploit their kids and let America into their home. They are not exceptional, they did not invent anything, cure cancer or make peoples lives better in ant way. Kate now supposedly writes books and speaks as some sort of knowledgable person about raising multiples. WTH??? My great Aunt Mary and Uncle Cheewa had 18 kids and there was never any fanfare for them. The kids cost money, they did not make money. What kind of screwed up world are we living in when you make a living basically by talking a fertility doctor into giving you a treatment that allows for the birth of sextuplets? Why does anyone care about these people? To a great extent I feel the same way about professional sports people. They get paid to play a game. They are blessed with atheletic ability abd as a result make millions. I see little kids looking up to them as role models. Why? Most are not nice people and think the world owes them something for being able to play sports.

John and Kate make a living off their kids. If they were responsible parents they would set aside some of that money they are making from exploiting the kids to take care of the kids. At this point living a resonable lifestyle they should have fully funded 8 college educations and trust funds for each child. Lets face it TLC or nobody else would be interested in a show called John and Kate. It's the plus eight that makes anyone interested. Based on their current life style of a million dollar house, a vacation home in Park City, plus all the other toys you see them with they are using what is basically the kids money to fund their well above average lifestyle.

The whole situation is really quite sickening and anybody that watches the show is merely feeding the lunacy. I don't and will not watch the thing and have written TLC to say that due to the airing of the show I won't watch anything on TLC. The Learning Channel, really, what am suppose to be learning from this show. How greedy, self centered, manipulative, and explotive two people can be?

Let the whole thing die a natural death and then lets see if John and Kate with or without each other can actually make an honest living that doesn't involve selling their kids.

 

[Epcot luvr]

http://www.thewrap.com/blog-entry/pull-plug-jon-kate_3863

This is an excellent read from an industry site, link above.

An open letter to David Zaslav, President and CEO, Discovery Communications:

 

[KristiKelly]

Here is the problem I have with the whole concept of this show and others like it. They get paid $75k a show to exploit their kids and let America into their home. They are not exceptional, they did not invent anything, cure cancer or make peoples lives better in ant way. Kate now supposedly writes books and speaks as some sort of knowledgable person about raising multiples. WTH??? My great Aunt Mary and Uncle Cheewa had 18 kids and there was never any fanfare for them. The kids cost money, they did not make money. What kind of screwed up world are we living in when you make a living basically by talking a fertility doctor into giving you a treatment that allows for the birth of sextuplets? Why does anyone care about these people? To a great extent I feel the same way about professional sports people. They get paid to play a game. They are blessed with atheletic ability abd as a result make millions. I see little kids looking up to them as role models. Why? Most are not nice people and think the world owes them something for being able to play sports.

John and Kate make a living off their kids. If they were responsible parents they would set aside some of that money they are making from exploiting the kids to take care of the kids. At this point living a resonable lifestyle they should have fully funded 8 college educations and trust funds for each child. Lets face it TLC or nobody else would be interested in a show called John and Kate. It's the plus eight that makes anyone interested. Based on their current life style of a million dollar house, a vacation home in Park City, plus all the other toys you see them with they are using what is basically the kids money to fund their well above average lifestyle.

The whole situation is really quite sickening and anybody that watches the show is merely feeding the lunacy. I don't and will not watch the thing and have written TLC to say that due to the airing of the show I won't watch anything on TLC. The Learning Channel, really, what am suppose to be learning from this show. How greedy, self centered, manipulative, and explotive two people can be?

Let the whole thing die a natural death and then lets see if John and Kate with or without each other can actually make an honest living that doesn't involve selling their kids.

I agree BUT who's to say they're not putting money away for their kids? We have no idea - I truly hope Kate's smarter than that - Jon not so much. Much of what they have gotten has been given to them - free to them and cheap advertisement to whoever is giving it. They've been given WDW trips, when the day is done - that cost WDW next to nothing but the advertisement was worth who knows how much. Same with skiing in Utah, visiting Hawaii (if a family of 8 can do it, so can our fam. of 5 or 6). Ann Taylor gives her 1 of everything they sell - but it's seen by millions, same with Gymboree, crocs, etc - cheap advertisement. It's really one big infomercial that they're doing now.

I think Kate is looking more longterm and Jon is looking at his next free trip for his girlfriend - afterall he's only 32 and a Dad - he needs to have a good time.

 

[TheZue]

Here is the problem I have with the whole concept of this show and others like it. They get paid $75k a show to exploit their kids and let America into their home. They are not exceptional, they did not invent anything, cure cancer or make peoples lives better in ant way. Kate now supposedly writes books and speaks as some sort of knowledgable person about raising multiples. WTH??? My great Aunt Mary and Uncle Cheewa had 18 kids and there was never any fanfare for them. The kids cost money, they did not make money. What kind of screwed up world are we living in when you make a living basically by talking a fertility doctor into giving you a treatment that allows for the birth of sextuplets? Why does anyone care about these people? To a great extent I feel the same way about professional sports people. They get paid to play a game. They are blessed with atheletic ability abd as a result make millions. I see little kids looking up to them as role models. Why? Most are not nice people and think the world owes them something for being able to play sports.

Thing is, they are sort of exceptional. And they are making people's lives better. That guy that owns the Crooked House company has maybe sold 500 in the past few years, the day after that aired they had thousands of requests for catalogues and hundreds of thousands of hits on his website. They are exceptional at selling stuff. Funny thing is I was a casual watcher and I didn't really clue in everything they got was free. Watching things they were doing with their kids that we had done in the past did remind me and make me wanna go back with my younger ones; like the Day out with Thomas. They some how had a knack of capturing those moments with your kids that are so calm & rewarding after the day to day chaos of toddlers and THAT'S what made a lot of the stuff they did seem so apealing. I don't get that same sense when I'm watching the other family shows, it was something about their family dynamic that I'm pretty sure is going to be gone now. So no, they aren't curing cancer, but they are generating a ton of business for companies and are a pretty good marketing method for them which is improving the owners lives.

 

[Epcot luvr]

Here is the problem I have with the whole concept of this show and others like it. They get paid $75k a show to exploit their kids and let America into their home. They are not exceptional, they did not invent anything, cure cancer or make peoples lives better in ant way. Kate now supposedly writes books and speaks as some sort of knowledgable person about raising multiples. WTH??? My great Aunt Mary and Uncle Cheewa had 18 kids and there was never any fanfare for them. The kids cost money, they did not make money. What kind of screwed up world are we living in when you make a living basically by talking a fertility doctor into giving you a treatment that allows for the birth of sextuplets? Why does anyone care about these people? To a great extent I feel the same way about professional sports people. They get paid to play a game. They are blessed with atheletic ability abd as a result make millions. I see little kids looking up to them as role models. Why? Most are not nice people and think the world owes them something for being able to play sports.

John and Kate make a living off their kids. If they were responsible parents they would set aside some of that money they are making from exploiting the kids to take care of the kids. At this point living a resonable lifestyle they should have fully funded 8 college educations and trust funds for each child. Lets face it TLC or nobody else would be interested in a show called John and Kate. It's the plus eight that makes anyone interested. Based on their current life style of a million dollar house, a vacation home in Park City, plus all the other toys you see them with they are using what is basically the kids money to fund their well above average lifestyle.

The whole situation is really quite sickening and anybody that watches the show is merely feeding the lunacy. I don't and will not watch the thing and have written TLC to say that due to the airing of the show I won't watch anything on TLC. The Learning Channel, really, what am suppose to be learning from this show. How greedy, self centered, manipulative, and explotive two people can be?

Let the whole thing die a natural death and then lets see if John and Kate with or without each other can actually make an honest living that doesn't involve selling their kids.

I agree, I am not sure it will die a natural death however. The way the parents are behaving now, it is like a 18 wheeler with no brakes on a rain slicked mountain road. It is going to be a horrible wreck unless TLC or the parents stop it now. No more talking to tabloids, no more sharing with the public how your 8 year old daughter reacted to her being told about the divorce, how she crawled into Kate's arms like an infant. No more filming ,just because they are on hiatus does not mean they are not filming, the show comes back on in 6 short weeks.

 

[Nicolepa]

Everyone keeps assuming that Jon will be paying Kate child support. I know it works differently in every state but there is a good chance that she could end up paying him child support AND alimony.

Think about it, he has been the primary caregiver (I know he's had help yada, yada), while she has been out touring and promoting her book. SHE is the one who has been bringing in the money. If they truely are doing a 50/50 split at the house then she will be paying him because he has been a "SAHD", if he can also prove that he has been the primary caregiver and gave up his job so she could work then she could end up paying alimony as well.

 

[JennaTX]

I can completely understand your point of view - but as a person who does not watch the show and does not click on any of the links (unless I'm led to believe it's Jon & Kate actually speaking or have given an interview to a reliable source) this is the only place I read and/or post because I am waiting for the day that I come on here and see that it has been confirmed that the show has been cancelled permanently..When that happens, I'll be gone.. I don't care what happens with Jon & Kate - they are adults.. I care about the kids and it's my opinion that they have been terribly exploited by this show.. When it ends, I'll go off into the sunset (in terms of this thread) and pray with all of my heart that those 8 kids can somehow go on to live a life of privacy - with as little additional damage as possible..

Again - just "my" opinion - which I'm sure not everyone will agree with..

I understand that you want the show to end because of the children and what they are going through!

However, you can look on Google news, CBS, ABC, NBC, or even (CNN good grief) to find out if the show is cancelled.

IMO people who continue to post about this show who do not watch, and it is not just you but others I have seen here, just keep the debate going and keep this family in the news. If I didn't want to see them on the show/news/internet, etc...I would quit talking about it, that is the only way the news will die.