Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 5

[GeorgiaPeach8]

I have no idea what it is like around me about dating and separation and divorce. I would say most people date very soon afterward.
My stated opinion is just how I feel about it personally--not what my *area* does.

I think separated and newly divorced people with children (esp.) should concentrate on finding themselves and taking care of their children before the dating begins. Anything else is selfish, in my book.

I agree...divorce is very hard on children. That should be the first priority for both parents. However, many times it isn't for at least one of them. Beyond selfish, I think it is just stupid to jump back into a relationship. It seems to me that even if a person didn't think they were completely responsible for the breakdown of the marriage that should recognize that they are partly responsible (if most cases, it takes two). It is just smart not to get involved too quickly. I'm not against *************, going out to dinner, movies, etc.. Good lord, I would think recently divorce people need some adult-time and practice dating but so many couples seem to rush things...bringing home new boyfriends or girlfriends to meet the kids.

 

[madge]

I thought their kitchen was beautiful, I wonder why they changed it? Also, why would she need to do dishes in the bathtub when they have a full fridge, sink, and many cabinets in the basement kitchen?
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not to mention the brand new whirlpool appliances they did that commercial for right after they moved in ... I wonder what the explanation will be for brand new appliances less than 6 months after replacing what was there? what happens to the other appliances, how does that make whirlpool look when their product is replaced so quickly?

 

[lilybrooke14]

I married my high school sweetheart. There's no way I'd be leaping into another serious relationship if we ever got divorced. I'd want some time to not take care of a man! On top of that, we're extremely careful about who we let around DD. People tell us all the time how pretty she is (I know I'm partial, but she really is a very pretty little girl). I know that most people who think she's pretty are completely innocent, but I'm afraid that someone's going to look at her and have other ideas. So, I wouldn't be bringing any new boyfriends home for....a long time. If I were Kate, I'd be thinking about the same thing, because all of her children are beautiful. However, I don't think we're on the same page there, considering she's let the whole world have carte blanch into her home!

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

I think separated and newly divorced people with children (esp.) should concentrate on finding themselves and taking care of their children before the dating begins. Anything else is selfish, in my book.

Yes. And it doesn't matter how long they have been seperated, this is all new to the children and they need time to adjust before having to see Daddy splashed across every magazine with another woman.

 

[newtodis]

Jon never even went to NC .. they couldn't have shown it any other way? They had already said that sometimes Jon wasn't going to be around and I'm guessing they planned this episode accordingly.

I'm a little surprised they're not doing some sort of recap or something that can be hyped to death. Will a regular episode bring in the viewers? Will most of the viewers know that this was filmed before the divorce announcement?

IIRC, didn't the part at the end of the recap show Kate talking about something with her and Jon doing their own things or something like that? I think most people would have figured out at that point that they were no longer together if there wasn't a huge announcement.

I'm curious to see what's actually in these episodes. These were shot prior to the "keep quiet" agreement (as far as I know) so it will be interesting to see how TLC edits everything.

A little OT - would either attorney be able to subpenoa all of TLC's footage for "evidence" if the right accusations presented themselves? Just curious on my part 1- if TLC keeps all the stuff they didn't use in the episode around and 2 - what would be in the "unused" footage that would surface?

video from before the photo shoot:

http://www.fancast.com/tv/Jon-&-Kate-Plus-8/100272/1188362737/Kate-and-Eight-Get-Mobbed/videos

I have some very strong feelings about this and just don't know how to put it all into words at this point......if TLC or Kate or anyone "provoked" this situation to cause a "frenzy" shame on all of them. To torment and terroize those kids is awful and they should all be ashamed of themselves. It makes me think of the time when they were shopping for the birthday party and Kate made a big deal (the way it was edited) about the "p people" being in the parking lot. Why must it be made a big deal of? I'd think if it were me, I'd play it up for the kids and tell them to wave and smile because they're princes and princesses (like Disney) or movie stars or something. I would never intentionally scare them with the tables and such. Someone (thinking one of the kids) could have seriously gotten injured. I don't recall ever seeing anything to this extreme and if it was to "protect" the kids from the "p people" and what they were saying, some umbrellas and tables wouldn't stop that. I think it was handled terribly all around and am disappointed in Kate (and Jon) that they let things happen that way.

I thought their kitchen was beautiful, I wonder why they changed it? Also, why would she need to do dishes in the bathtub when they have a full fridge, sink, and many cabinets in the basement kitchen?

Well, I think we all know the answer to this. If Jon is in charge it will not meet Kate's expectations.

They have to air, those people donated those services and would be really upset (perhaps seek legal action) if the donated products were not shown. Can you imagine how much money the cabinet/appliance/kitchen specialists sunk into that kitchen? Also they have to plug the whole vacation and everyone who donated like the hotel, the island, the ferry, the shops.... It's all about money.

Me too, I guess they saw what a bomb the last recap was (The First 10 Years) and decided not to go that route. I have to wonder how much these two episodes were re-edited because at the time the word wasn't out was it? I can't remember now.

I can't see it meeting Kate's expectations but maybe that's what she was texting about the entire trip. Someone was sending her step by step pictures of the installation and she was making changes or giving approval....just a thought!

I've asked that several times - what kind of "deal" is given in exchange for the products or services? What happens if they're cut and don't make the show?? Do J&K repay the place for them? TLC? I'm guessing there's some kind of contract or something in place.

It seems that in the "look ahead" or whatever from the recap episode that Kate was "interviewed" while on vacation and she commented on Jon not being there and that's how things would be or something like that. I'm guessing not much changed if they were already keeping things like that in at that point (or it was specifically edited for the recap show).

I think separated and newly divorced people with children (esp.) should concentrate on finding themselves and taking care of their children before the dating begins. Anything else is selfish, in my book.

Totally agree! If it's your "fault" or not, I can't imagine it's an easy process and jumping into another relationship doesn't seem like the right answer to me at all.

not to mention the brand new whirlpool appliances they did that commercial for right after they moved in ... I wonder what the explanation will be for brand new appliances less than 6 months after replacing what was there? what happens to the other appliances, how does that make whirlpool look when their product is replaced so quickly?

Good point! I wouldn't have thought that about the appliances!

 

[GeorgiaPeach8]

I married my high school sweetheart. There's no way I'd be leaping into another serious relationship if we ever got divorced. I'd want some time to not take care of a man!

Me too..if anything ever happens to DH (divorce or otherwise) I think I'll take the Jackie O approach. I'll find a nice Maurice Templeton to spend time with, go to the movies, out to eat...then at the end of the day--we both have our own lives.

I know I'm biased b/c I teach but 90% of the problems my students talk to me about have one thing in common--the phrase "my mother's boyfriend." The phrase makes me cringe. It is really difficult for kids.

I would also like to add that there have been a few posts stating that Kate and Jon don't care about the kids and are only in it for the money. I think the money has become important...certainly too important to them but the kids are clearly wild about both parents. They are getting old enough that if that were truly the case, there would be some telling signs. I think, especially Maddy and Cara, seem more attached to Kate. Maddy seems more cooperative lately and more well-adjusted (within reason, obviously having 7 brothers and sisters would be tough).

 

[MsAmerica]

On the topic of Jon and dating so soon after the divorce was filed, I think most men already have someone else to replace the wife when they leave their marriages.


Just my opinion,

MsA

 

[Teacher510]

While watching the show before the "trouble in paradise" I always felt that Jon was unappreciated and abused by Kate. I would imagine a husband treating his wife the same way and the way that it would be viewed. Now, though, I think that Jon's behavior is ridiculous, irresponsible and selfish. He's reminding me of an 18 year old who goes away to college and goes to extremes with his new-found freedom.
One of the things that bothers me most is his move to NYC so far from his kids. It is obviously because this is the place that he wants to be for his new lifestyle and I just can't understand how the distance doesn't bother him.

 

[redrosesix]

A little OT - would either attorney be able to subpenoa all of TLC's footage for "evidence" if the right accusations presented themselves? Just curious on my part 1- if TLC keeps all the stuff they didn't use in the episode around and 2 - what would be in the "unused" footage that would surface?

YUP -- Assuming PA laws are the same as they are here, anything like this can be introduced in court, but also character witnesses, photographs (eg. Jon smoking), etc. You just can't introduce hearsay evidence. In fact, one side can force friends, girlfriends, relatives to testify against the other (eg. they could call Deanna and force her to testify under oath as to whether they had had an affair, or force other friends to testify whether they had witnessed the affair). They can also call character witnesses and introduce evidence about the other's family.

However, this type of evidence is only used when one side is trying to get full custody or to make stipulations about how/where visitation is to occur. It would not be allowed if the substance of the hearing was wrt financial arrangements, or possessions.

 

[madge]

from this week's Us Weekly ... sad, sad, sad if it's even half true.

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/entertainment/television/072909_Gosselin_kids_miserable

 

[momrek06]

One of the things that bothers me most is his move to NYC so far from his kids. It is obviously because this is the place that he wants to be for his new lifestyle and I just can't understand how the distance doesn't bother him.

Read this article madge posted...it is not about the kiddos it is about being closer to Hailey as it appears she lives around the corner from Jon in NYC.

from this week's Us Weekly ... sad, sad, sad if it's even half true.

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/entertainment/television/072909_Gosselin_kids_miserable

 

[OhMari]

I watched the video, that Madge posted of Jon coming home in his sports car, I'm pretty sure it was when he was returning from the south of France.

Anyhow, at first I thought Kate was walking on the other side of the Toyota, moving the coffee cup and then opening the hatch of the car. But then I watched it again, and Kate is on the way left side, and Aiden and one of the girls are standing with Kate. Maddie must have greeting Jon when he drove in, but then you see Maddie standing in the middle, Kate is obviously saying something to Jon, and then Maddie moves to Kates side, like she just decided she was going to be on her mom's side.
Aiden and Hannah, never went over to him, and greeted him, the kids all just stood there watching their parents talk, or kate talk.

How sad to see the dogs happy to see Jon and no one else run over to him. He just stood there looking at Kate.

 

[MusiqChic99]

While watching the show before the "trouble in paradise" I always felt that Jon was unappreciated and abused by Kate. I would imagine a husband treating his wife the same way and the way that it would be viewed. Now, though, I think that Jon's behavior is ridiculous, irresponsible and selfish. He's reminding me of an 18 year old who goes away to college and goes to extremes with his new-found freedom.
One of the things that bothers me most is his move to NYC so far from his kids. It is obviously because this is the place that he wants to be for his new lifestyle and I just can't understand how the distance doesn't bother him.

I dont know if the distance matters if he is always there at their house during "his" time. Otherwise he's not going to be at the house anyway with the kids if it's "her" time.

It's so funny because a couple of months ago everyone was talking about how Kate was always away from her kids. Now it's Jon being in NYC so far away.

It's a new thing each week. I guess Jon gets his turn now. Anyone want to take bets on what Kate will be doing next week???

 

[mickeyboat]

I dont know if the distance matters if he is always there at their house during "his" time. Otherwise he's not going to be at the house anyway with the kids if it's "her" time.

I think the distance does matter, especially once the kids get a little older. How will Jon attend soccer games, or school plays or take the kids to the dentist if he is in NYC all week? He is checking out of the kids' every day lives to become "Fun Weekend Daddy" and leaving Kate with the homework, packing of lunches and carting 8 kids to extra-curricular activities. The thing is, that in the end, the show aside, the kids will see which parent really did everything for her kids.

 

[Buckalew11]

But you have to admit, there is a difference between being away for work (book tour/signings) and living 2 1/2 hours away, out of state, because you choose to.

I understand that Jon will be at the house during his time with the kids and they will take turns. I guess I just don't understand why a parent would not want to be close enough to attend games/events or even practices if you were needed. Maybe with nanies and such you don't ever need help I guess I just think that with 8 kids both parents might be needed.

 

[MusiqChic99]

But you have to admit, there is a difference between being away for work (book tour/signings) and living 2 1/2 hours away, out of state, because you choose to.

I understand that Jon will be at the house during his time with the kids and they will take turns. I guess I just don't understand why a parent would not want to be close enough to attend games/events or even practices if you were needed. Maybe with nanies and such you don't ever need help I guess I just think that with 8 kids both parents might be needed.

No I agree. I would never want to be away from my child like that or would I want his father to be.

However we don't know how much Jon is "allowed" to be somewhere, the kids are. I'm not at all sticking up for Jon. I think he's being soooooo stupid right now. But like I said if they stick to the whole "his" and "her" time then that's the agreement they made. And no one knows if he is going to miss games and events. They have plenty of money to commute back and forth.

 

[MusiqChic99]

I think the distance does matter, especially once the kids get a little older. How will Jon attend soccer games, or school plays or take the kids to the dentist if he is in NYC all week? He is checking out of the kids' every day lives to become "Fun Weekend Daddy" and leaving Kate with the homework, packing of lunches and carting 8 kids to extra-curricular activities. The thing is, that in the end, the show aside, the kids will see which parent really did everything for her kids.

But during the times she was gone, Jon did all of that.

And yes he is being stupid and is enjoying his freedom WAY too much for a man with 8 kids.

I do know with everything now I won't be watching the show. There is going to be a divorce. He's already dating. It just seems too weird to continue on....especially as Jon & Kate Plus 8. These kids will see the show when they are older and know what was before the divorce and what was after.

 

[WaltD4Me]

But you have to admit, there is a difference between being away for work (book tour/signings) and living 2 1/2 hours away, out of state, because you choose to.

I understand that Jon will be at the house during his time with the kids and they will take turns. I guess I just don't understand why a parent would not want to be close enough to attend games/events or even practices if you were needed. Maybe with nanies and such you don't ever need help I guess I just think that with 8 kids both parents might be needed.

I totally agree. What is sad to me is that so many parents are away from their kids because they have to no choice, due to their job and here is Jon who has the financial freedom to choose to live basically anywhere he wants and he picks somewhere 2 1/2 hours away. Granted, it isn't all that far, but isn't all that close either. I wonder what he would say if one of the kids asked him why he moved so far away from them.

 

[mickeyboat]

I totally agree. What is sad to me is that so many parents are away from their kids because they have to no choice, due to their job and here is Jon who has the financial freedom to choose to live basically anywhere he wants and he picks somewhere 2 1/2 hours away. Granted, it isn't all that far, but isn't all that close. I wonder what he would say if one of the kids asked him why he moved so far away from them.

ITA. I can't imagine how I would feel if my dad moved away from me permanently on purpose.

 

[lucas]

I watched the video, that Madge posted of Jon coming home in his sports car, I'm pretty sure it was when he was returning from the south of France.

I must have missed the video. Does anyone have the link?