Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread-Part 4

[madge]

Just one more time...we see what TLC wants us to see and unless we are privvy to more info (sort of like when Madge went to see her, and we all couldn't wait for the report ) that is direct, that is all we will see.

speaking of that .. I blog about Jon and Kate sometimes. I blogged about my experience seeing Kate. Today, I had an entry from someone who was at the service and was completely wowed by Kate until she went to the book signing, where Kate didn't acknowledge anyone waiting. (which I had already heard from friends that went .. but had no first hand knowledge of ) I found it interesting how drawn she was to Kate in the service, though. I could sense her disappointment in the book signing, she tried to explain Kate's behavior as being about other things .. it was sad for me read.

Last August, I had an entry about Aunt Jodi's video, since this recent controversy.. I've had thousands of hits (and tens of comments, LOL) about the whole thing. Most of the opinions are split, like they are here.

 

[Singleminnie]

The show was so sad for me. Jon just seems angry and on a pity pot. Kate at least seemed somewhat sad that her marriage is in the toilet. To me they all but said the marriage was over. The bar-b-q at the end was so confusing, are they seperating without seperating?

The kids were adorable, they have grown so much. I about cried when Collin went up to Kate and hugged her and said "Thank you for my birthday, Mommy".

I was wondering that too, about seperating without seperating. My Ex and I continued to live together for about 1 1/2 months after I announced I was filing for a divorce, and for us it did not go well. There was so much more arguing when we were "talking" but most of the time there was no talking, which the girls really picked up on. Personally, if you are going to split, just do it and don't drag things out!

 

[DMRick]

there has been more than one person on this thread that said their spouse has female friends and wouldn't be unusual for them to be out at night with said friends.

I thought when this was on the thead (16,000 messages ago LOL) it was discussed that usually the femal friend was also a friend or known to the wife.
Not usually sunbathing in a bikini at the wife's home while the wife is out of town.
However, as I said before, maybe it depends on what you consider cheating. Hmm..like the person who said, I did not have sex with that woman , and then we found out just what he did do with her?
And maybe John really did just make bad choices and was just talking with her. For me, it's not about the cheating anyway. I think the marriage was on the way out before that. I do wish they would release if they are under contract, and if they did want out, would TLC let them, or take them to court. I'd be interested in that as I flip-flop between them. And, did Jon sign that contract too, before or after he decided he wanted out.

 

[Singleminnie]

About Monday's episode, who were the guys helping hang decorations? Did Kate call one a PA? I would guess it means a production assitant? I also caught the fact that she was complaining about having to fill the boxes and etc with candy by herself? I was wondering where is all of her friends/family. Also the two women there helping her at the park, I think I remember them, but from what episode?

I was really surprised Kate did not have a "melt down" over those bugs, ugh. I admit I might have done so, I hate bugs! Plus the stress she is currently under and everything else going on, the bugs might have put me over.

 

[Dr_Finkelstein]

Oops, double post!

 

[DMRick]

Did anyone else notice that when the kids were eating lunch, they had single serve peanut butter cups? I've noticed this in the past as well. Single serve of anything is expensive!.

I thought I read that on days they tape (they don't tape everyday) TLC brings in the food. Maybe they meant for the crew, but I thought it was for everyone.
I know she gets peanut butter in a jar (organic) because that is what she used to get the gum out of the socks and the toy).

 

[happygirl]

something that struck me is Jon kept saying we all make choices it all comes down to choices. Do you think he choose to get caught by having his photos taking

 

[WDSearcher]

I just watched Monday's show. A few things caught my attention unrelated to the Jon/Kate drama.

Did anyone else notice that when the kids were eating lunch, they had single serve peanut butter cups? I've noticed this in the past as well. Single serve of anything is expensive!

Maybe it's because I happened to catch the a short clip of the episode where Jon failed to use a coupon and Kate went on and on about saving money.
But just because she wants to save money doesn't mean she doesn't occasionally buy something special. I use coupons all the time, but I also use the money I save on some things to help me afford other things, y'know?

I also noticed that they were using Styrofoam cups at the BBQ. What happened to the Going Green Show with Sarah Snow?
There are biodegradable types of styrofoam-like cups. And ... just because they "go green" doesn't mean that it's practical in all phases of their lives.

As the kids were eating the candy, I had a flashback to the show where Kate talked about the kids only getting organic suckers.
Things change. She's allowed to change her mind. Or maybe it was a special treat. Only getting organic suckers sounds great, but again ... not always practical.

At the party, there were a ton of 2-liter bottles on the table but yet it looked like everyone was drinking juice boxes instead. The labels were all lined up making me think that Coke donated them for advertising.
Product placement would not be outside the realm of possibility!

My daughter and I lost count on how many times Kate had to bring up the fact that she has to do everything alone without any help but yet there were people setting up the party and who was watching the children while she was there trying to get things set while wearing a dress. Maybe she changed into pants when she went back home because she was cold.

Lastly, she said that she doesn't allow the children to use the word paparazzi. They never would have used the word if they hadn't heard it many times before.
Well ... sure. But it doesn't mean it came from Jon or Kate. How many times have you looked at your kids and said, "Where did you learn THAT word?" Kids pick stuff up. Remember that these kids go to pre-school and school. They're not home 24/7. They do watch TV and talk to other kids in the neighborhood. And yeah ... maybe they heard mom or dad say it. My parents used to swear, but told me I wasn't allowed to. Same thing.

I used to like the show when it was real. Now that it's turned into a completely unrealistic show where it's all about promoting a product and getting it for free, it's lost it's appeal for me.

I think it would be hard to be in Jon and Kate's position. They probably signed a multi-year contract with TLC that they're trying to honor, and TLC is trying to put something on the air to honor that contract as well. At the beginning, it was a novelty and it probably seemed like a good idea to help make expenses and document the kids' lives. And right now, it's not easy, due to all the personal stuff coming out. Their cute little show has turned into a monster. Take any of us and put us under a microscope and being followed around by cameras all the time and see how we do.

 

[MICKEY4EVER!]

something that struck me is Jon kept saying we all make choices it all comes down to choices. Do you think he choose to get caught by having his photos taking

I wondered if he meant his choice about getting out of the spotlight and maybe even making a choice about leaving Kate. He didn't make it really clear what he meant, did he?

 

[C.Ann]

But as you pointed out, you had a mixed family, divorce happened. Should I assume that because it all worked out so well for you, and all of your family/step family is intact and great friends, that it wouldn't turn out that way for this group? That said, it seems to me that even with you making what you believed were perfect decisions for your family, you have posted in the past several threads about splits/arguments you have had with in laws, steps and your own children. Stuff happens. .

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You're funny.. Point is, we didn't turn our lives into a television show or use our children as a means to fame and fortune - based on what happened in our daily lives.. Surely you can see the difference - because I know for a fact that you're not that naive..

Again - we're just going to have to agree to disagree - just like so many others here.. You continue to watch the show and I won't - okay?

 

[mommytobug]

Did anyone of you notice the "bodyguard" on the Utah episode. He was sitting behind Kate and kept bending over when the camera would show her. That was really funny. I had never noticed him before.

The only remark I have is how sad this is. So sad.

 

[DMRick]

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You're funny.. Point is, we didn't turn our lives into a television show or use our children as a means to fame and fortune - based on what happened in our daily lives.. Surely you can see the difference - because I know for a fact that you're not that naive..

No, because it wasn't offered to me LOL.
Again, this is their choice. Just like you listed all the choices you made with your family and you felt they were right for you. Did everything still turn out perfect? You have said they have not in the past. They think these choices are right for them. There are no instruction books, and even if there were, who knows if they would have been right in each of our circumstances. They have said they are doing what they feel is best for their family.

And you know what? Maybe even making what they think are the right choices, it won't turn out like they thought it would. 60% of all married people thought they were making the right choice. Of course 40% did. We really don't know how this will end up..that's what my remarks are about.

It really isn't black and white. Stop the show or the kids will crash. Keep going and the benefits will outweigh the bad. It's all about gray.

I know for a fact that you're not that naive..

And just because I may not see the difference, it doesn't mean I'm naive. It means I have a different opnion than you do.

 

[Maggimus]

I for one and glad that Jodi and Kevin are speaking out for the kids. They said this morning that the kids have said that they don't like the cameras around all the time. Obviously their parents aren't paying attention to what that aspect as the cameras keep rolling.

Kevin has said that he has attempted to talk to Kate and that he got no where. I don't see why Jodi can't talk to her regarding a troubling situation just because she isn't "blood". I know if I saw something going on with my nieces and nephews I would talk with my sister-in-law. Just like if I saw something going on with the neighbors I would talk with them also, I care about children. Blood or not.

Someone upthread (sorry it is moving fast) said that it is okay because the kids have always had cameras around. Why is that okay? I grew up with two parents that smoked. Is that okay? I asked them to stop when I was around 8-9 and they both did. Some children are around abuse from the minute they are born, is that okay? That is their normal. Obviously none of those things are okay. These kids have no voice and it is obvious (at least to me) that their parents are not looking out for their best interest. Unless you consider matching clothes and fancy vacations their best interest. I consider a healthy relationship between their parents, a loving non-stressful environment, and privacy in their best interest.

I hope Jodi and Kevin keep talking to whomever will listen. More relatives should be screaming from the roof tops about this charade.

Jodi and Kevin said that the kids said that they don't like having camera's around? Jodi & Kevin haven't seen those kids in over a year... they know this, how?

Also regarding Jodi not speaking out because she isn't blood (I mentioned the blood comment)... Jodi has a LOUD voice. Louder than Kevin's. It appears she likes it that way. If it were my niece and nephew-- I would speak too, but let my husband be the man, and the BROTHER, and do it because that is HIS sister. She seems as though she has an agenda with this. Jodi has a choice in how her kids are raised... and Kate has the same. This should all be things that are said behind closed doors. Unless she is abusing those kids, Jodi's LOUD MOUTH on television is uncalled for. Kevin should be the one talking to his sister. If there is abuse in the home... then they need to call the authorities. Otherwise, its just trash talking on TV-- I think Jodi & Kevin will eventually resent the fact that they did this!

Remember the sign Mady hung on the door that had a big frown face that said "No cameras!" I don't think she was very happy that day.

It seems like when Kate does something wrong it is the editing. But when someone points out that the kids aren't happy, then we just look at the tape. Can't have it both ways.

I remember that episode. However, I can remember having my grandparents over and saying "no adults aloud"... does that mean every adult in my home should be looked at by CPS? No.... just because she (Mady) didnt want camera's in her room doesnt mean she HATES the cameras. Maybe she was having an off day and wanted to pout or throw a tantrum just to rebel. I think we've all been there as children.

Actually it appears (notice I said appears) that Kevin and Jodi are the only ones being truthful. They have nothing to gain by saying what they are but J&K have everything to lose if they tell the truth. Your forgetting too that they both said they have talked with J&K concerning the children but that J&K said it's their life, this is how they're going to provide for the kids.

Interesting that Kevin & Jodi are scum but J&K are fine even though they are exploiting their kids, showing private moments (ie: potty episodes and vomit) for the world to see, writing books to capitalize on the cuteness of their kids, fighting around the kids, broadcasting to the world that their marriage is in shambles which the kids will be able to watch on DVD and so on. Sorry but all of THAT is much more damaging and "scummy" than what Kevin and Jodi did trying to help. Serioulsy, we all have seen how strong-willed and controlling Kate can be, do you think that she would listen to Kevin & Jodi? My guess would be no. Maybe by doing it so publicly it will work.

Ofcourse by now, you know they can and probably are making a financial gain off of this.

And you know this how? If Jon and Kate were my friends, I would not want to be on the show or interviewed, etc. Doesn't mean they still wouldn't be my friends.
I have no idea who their friends are or who they hang with (well, I guess I do know who Jon hangs with). I only get to see what TLC wants me to see.

I also would believe that Jodi has some control over what her sister posts on her blog..that is, if Jodi and her sister are as close as her sister leads us to believe. Yet, Jodi doesn't think what is said on that board will come back to hurt the children? And yet Jodi is all about the children. As soon as I see Radar come out and say that although they generally pay their sources, but Kevin and Jodi refused payment, I'll feel a little but different about them. If I thought my sister's kids were being abused I would do my best to stay in their lives, not give a rag mag an interview and try to tear their mother down. Although I'm not sure how long I would be in their lives, sinceI would be in court proving my case and getting the kids out of the situation. I assume Jodi has lots of proof that the kids are being abused.

As for the kids saying they don't like the camera's..who knows how that conversation went. I imagine it could be like this "I heard you got in trouble for hitting your brother" "Yeah, I hate the camera's..they see everything."

Kate is Kevin's sister, not Jodi's!

I completely agree.... if Jodi & Kevin were "all about the kids"... then they wouldn't have said 99% of the things they said on TV or to the media at all. They would only speak about child laws... they could have left all marital woas out. I also think that if they ever wanted to see those kids again, they just through themselves under the bus. If I were Jon OR Kate... I would always wonder what these ruthless people might go to the media with. "Mommy gave me a whipping for hitting my brother with a baseball bat".... Jodi "Kate is now physically hurting the children.... Oh, and the kids told me that she was on the phone with the cable guy for a while. I think she might be cheating... I mean, the kids came to us with this information".... whatever. Kevin being quite on TV makes him look like a sissy. But Jodi being herself just makes her look trashy, trashy, trashy to me!





I also think it is kind of funny that so many people think this show shouldn't go on anymore, but the same people watched the premier-- and I would be will continue to watch the show as well. I suppose if they stop watching the show-- then they wont have anything else to comment about and this thread will slow down DRASTICALLY. This family is getting so much attention--- its only driving people who don't normally watch to now watch the show. I bet this will be their best season for ratings thus far! I know thats not what some of you want.... but i think they are contributing. How can some of you stop watching? You wouldn't have anything bad to say about Kate or Jon unless it comes out in the media.... and half of that is hear-say or tabloid!

 

[katieam1]

Wow new thread and already 20 pages in!

I think the whole thing is sad. I kinda feel funny about the whole show because they showed the first episode where there is problems. Now in the next show it seems like back to normal. Kate is at the spa and Jon is at home with the kids then they will have Jon gone and Kate home with the kids. I just think it is very sad if they are really truly staying in the marriage for the sake of sticking with the show. I don't know I guess we will see. Hopefully whatever they decide they can still work it out so the kids don't suffer and think it is ever their fault.

 

[DMRick]

Did anyone of you notice the "bodyguard" on the Utah episode. He was sitting behind Kate and kept bending over when the camera would show her. That was really funny. I had never noticed him before. .

He rode in the rollar coaster with one of the kids in the Sesame Street episode as well. I had never noticed him before.

Will everyone slow down? I'm almost done printing and I have to go pack my RV. Good thing the campground has wifi, I'd never be able to catch up.

This is what my rally folks will be saying this weekend "Hey Doris, why are you leaving the fire? umm ummm, I ummm, have to check on the family LOL"

 

[DMRick]

Kate is Kevin's sister, not Jodi's!!

I'm sorry, I was talking about Jodi's sister, Julie.

 

[Maggimus]

Sorry DMRick, I got confused... lol this thread will do that to you.

I also wanted to mention that Jodi & Kevin kept saying that Jon came to them-- Jon came to them--- so they went straight to the media with what Jon said? When Kate is Kevins sister?? And then went to the media with Jons version of what happened.... sounds like some resentment toward Kate.... not Jon.

 

[1stluvispooh]

I just watched Monday's show. A few things caught my attention unrelated to the Jon/Kate drama.

Did anyone else notice that when the kids were eating lunch, they had single serve peanut butter cups? I've noticed this in the past as well. Single serve of anything is expensive!

Maybe it's because I happened to catch the a short clip of the episode where Jon failed to use a coupon and Kate went on and on about saving money.

I also noticed that they were using Styrofoam cups at the BBQ. What happened to the Going Green Show with Sarah Snow?

As the kids were eating the candy, I had a flashback to the show where Kate talked about the kids only getting organic suckers.

At the party, there were a ton of 2-liter bottles on the table but yet it looked like everyone was drinking juice boxes instead. The labels were all lined up making me think that Coke donated them for advertising.

My daughter and I lost count on how many times Kate had to bring up the fact that she has to do everything alone without any help but yet there were people setting up the party and who was watching the children while she was there trying to get things set while wearing a dress. Maybe she changed into pants when she went back home because she was cold.

Lastly, she said that she doesn't allow the children to use the word paparazzi. They never would have used the word if they hadn't heard it many times before.

I used to like the show when it was real. Now that it's turned into a completely unrealistic show where it's all about promoting a product and getting it for free, it's lost it's appeal for me.

I have often thought that when she says she's green that she uses paper plate at least at 2 meals a day!!! That not being green and that's so expensive even if you do buy 500 plates from Samsn Now in the new house you can't tell me that they can't put in a second dishwasher. Yes water is a natural resource to but it is easily renewed.

 

[C.Ann]

Is organic peanut butter non-allergic? Something I forgot to ask about the birthday party - when Kate decided that one cake should be enough.. She said it was their favorite - with peanut butter icing.. I was wondering - because she said that she invited the sextuplets entire class to the party - and with every other kid being allergic to peanut butter these days it struck me as an odd choice - unless the bakery used some sort of peanut butter that is non-allergic..

 

[1stluvispooh]

I think it would be hard to be in Jon and Kate's position. They probably signed a multi-year contract with TLC that they're trying to honor, and TLC is trying to put something on the air to honor that contract as well. At the beginning, it was a novelty and it probably seemed like a good idea to help make expenses and document the kids' lives. And right now, it's not easy, due to all the personal stuff coming out. Their cute little show has turned into a monster. Take any of us and put us under a microscope and being followed around by cameras all the time and see how we do.

Contracts can be broken