Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread-Part 4

[TotalSnowWhite]

...but on one of the previous page someone backed up their "for sure" statement by way of "having a vibe."

At least she's willing to discuss her thoughts, though.

Have to say you're amazing!! I worked for awhile with children of "at risk" high school aged parents and sometimes I think the parents were worse than the kids! Of course, those kids taught me a lot. Never until that class had I had a child spit in my face or run out the emergency exit into a parking lot full of cars Certainly taught me a thing or two. I can't imagine your patience and the size of your heart.

Oh, goodness, no way! I've always loved working with kids, and this is just the path I happened to take. I have them at a young age (elementary), so there's still a lot to work with as far as life improvement. The teachers who do it with 20 other kids in the classroom are the amazing ones!!

Well you certainly sound like you've got a lot of it worked out - I wish I was that "together".

All any of us can do is try. I had to grow up fast, and I still struggle like everyone else.

 

[happygirl]

...but on one of the previous page someone backed up their "for sure" statement by way of "having a vibe."

LOL that was me. I will take a Vibe over a tabloid or a bitter SIL anytime

 

[TotalSnowWhite]

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I responded to a post similar to yours on the other thread.. The short version is, we don't all agree on this matter.. I have shared what I'm willing to share and that's where it ends.. I have quoted things that were said by Jon or Kate and commented on them.. I have commented on various things that have been shown on the series recently - as well as in the past.. That is a general discussion - those are my "thoughts" on those particular matters - and that's all anyone is going to get from me.. When - and "if" - I feel the need to share anything else, I will.. I don't know how to make it any simpler than that..

And I can't make it any simpler than this...by posting here (or on any other board, thread, blog, et al.), you open yourself and anything you post up to comment and criticism by anyone and everyone who happens to see it. Nature of the beast, and it's not changing any time soon.

As an aside, anyone else remember CottonCandyLvr who made all these statements (both cryptic and blatant) but would never back them up with anything?

 

[C.Ann]

And I can't make it any simpler than this...by posting here (or on any other board, thread, blog, et al.), you open yourself and anything you post up to comment and criticism by anyone and everyone who happens to see it. Nature of the beast, and it's not changing any time soon.

As an aside, anyone else remember CottonCandyLvr who made all these statements (both cryptic and blatant) but would never back them up with anything?

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I never said anyone couldn't comment or criticize what I post here.. Fire away.. It doesn't mean that I'm obligated to "give" you anything more than I choose to..

Don't know who that poster is that you are referring to, but I believe you are making this "personal" now - which could result in this thread being closed down.. Is that really what you want?

Agree to disagree and move along.. That too is the nature of the beast..

 

[jpaxton1118]

Once again I am about 10 pages behind but I wanted to address the Jon was out at 2 am with a girl.

I am a very devoted wife and mother. It does not even occur to me to cheat. A few months ago a girlfriend of mine came into town and got some tickets to a comedy club for the two of us. We both are SAHM and we were going to do a girls night. We went out and stayed at a hotel close to the club so that we would not have to drive. So we did this and we had a lot to drink and we ended up at a bar across the street and drank until 1 am. We never do this and we just wanted to have some fun. We ended up meeting some guys and they new we were married with kids, because we made it very clear. But that did not stop them from sitting there and talking to us.

Now let me ask you, do I look like the duck? Do I quack like a duck? I did not do anything wrong and if I was on tv and someone took a picture of me out, it could have been made to look really wrong, instead of two girls cutting loose because we are always home with kids.

Jon said he made mistakes but that he did not cheat, I believe him. And the reason why is because it could have been taken all wrong if a photo of me out had been taken. I never layed a finger on those guys but if I was famous, it would have me on every tabloid saying I was having an affair.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

This is part of the general discussion, as you've put your thoughts onto this discussion thread.

Now, do you have something at stake that the rest of don't know about? If so, then that puts a whole new spin on your posts. Do you know something the rest of us do not?

Or do you just need a cause outside of yourself and your own life and the Gosselin kids are it? That's completely fine if it's the case, just be ready to back it up, especially on this thread. I'd just think on a discussion board, you'd discuss your opinions on the topic at hand instead of deflecting.

Why are you going at C.Ann? If this is what she wants to do, then so be it. I don't understand why it's bothering you so much. She has expressed her opinion, kindly I might add. If she wants to call all the sponsors then that's her business to do so. She has every right to post it on this thread since it relates to J&K and the kids. Obviously she feels convicted in her conscience enough to take steps. So what's the problem then? She is discussing her opinions here and I don't quite understand what you think she is "deflecting". I'm just surprised that you write something like that..."Or do you just need a cause outside of yourself and your own life and the Gosselin kids are it?" Don't you work with children? Should we criticize your motives for doing so? Of course not. C.Ann feels strongly about the Gosselin kids being exploited so she's putting her money where her mouth is. She is backing up what she says.

 

[DMRick]

I do find it ironic that Jodi & Kevin can talk about the family and be called "scum"etc, they're only in it for the $$ etc BUT its ok for Kate to splash personal feelings about her HUSBAND and FATHER of her eight children and thats ok? Lets not start on the $$ she/they are getting.

I think the difference to me is, Jodi and Kevin aren't talking about their own immediate family. They are talking about someone elses family. I would feel the same way about Kate, as I do about Kevin and Jodi, if she started spewing out dirt on them. And again, I can't help but wonder, if this would have happened, if Jodi and Kevin had gotten paid to participate. When her sister Julie posted on GWOP about all Jodi told her, about how scripted it was, etc, Jodi was on the show, and didn't have a problem with it.

 

[TotalSnowWhite]

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I never said anyone couldn't comment or criticize what I post here.. Fire away.. It doesn't mean that I'm obligated to "give" you anything more than I choose to..

Don't know who that poster is that you are referring to, but I believe you are making this "personal" now - which could result in this thread being closed down.. Is that really what you want?

Agree to disagree and move along.. That too is the nature of the beast..

Absolutely. You're not obligated to do anything but die and pay taxes.

However, in my eyes, your posts have far less merit if you don't qualify them. Which is fine with me, I suppose, as we tend to be on opposing sides of the topic.

Not sure why you're taking this "personal." As most of my discussion has been taking place via PM, it wouldn't bother me one way or another, at this point, if this thread sprouted wings and flew to California for a spa day.

 

[phamton]

Now let me ask you, do I look like the duck? Do I quack like a duck? I did not do anything wrong and if I was on tv and someone took a picture of me out, it could have been made to look really wrong, instead of two girls cutting loose because we are always home with kids.

But it wasn't just a picture at the bar. That one I could explain away also. He said it was fans that he was posing with.

The pictures in question are the ones where the girl is driving his car at 2:00 AM, and video of his leaving from her house, and pictures with the same girl who is sunbathing in Jon's yard.

If you had taken the guys with you from the bar and let them drive your car and later had videos of you sneaking out of their house, and finally pictures of them sunbathing at your house, then I would definitely say you were quacking.

As most of my discussion has been taking place via PM, it wouldn't bother me one way or another, at this point, if this thread sprouted wings and flew to California for a spa day.

You might not care but many of us aren't discussing it anywhere else except this thread. I'm not discussing it via PM and don't post on other boards about it. Heck I don't even discuss J&K with my friends. This is the only place I discuss it. I'd hate to see the thread shut down.

 

[jpaxton1118]

Absolutely. You're not obligated to do anything but die and pay taxes.

However, in my eyes, your posts have far less merit if you don't qualify them. Which is fine with me, I suppose, as we tend to be on opposing sides of the topic.

Not sure why you're taking this "personal." As most of my discussion has been taking place via PM, it wouldn't bother me one way or another, at this point, if this thread sprouted wings and flew to California for a spa day.[/QUOTE]

That is great for you but don't mess it up for the rest of us.

 

[C.Ann]

Absolutely. You're not obligated to do anything but die and pay taxes..

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Something we can finally agree on..

 

[jpaxton1118]

But it wasn't just a picture at the bar. That one I could explain away also. He said it was fans that he was posing with.

The pictures in question are the ones where the girl is driving his car at 2:00 AM, and video of his leaving from her house, and pictures with the same girl who is sunbathing in Jon's yard.

If you had taken the guys with you from the bar and let them drive your car and later had videos of you sneaking out of their house, and finally pictures of them sunbathing at your house, then I would definitely say you were quacking.


You might not care but many of us aren't discussing it anywhere else except this thread. I'm not discussing it via PM and don't post on other boards about it. Heck I don't even discuss J&K with my friends. This is the only place I discuss it. I'd hate to see the thread shut down.

I have seen the pictures of him at the bar but I have yet to see the video of him leaving the house or the picture of them sunbathing. Do you have a link, and just so you know I am not being snarky.All I have seen are the pics of him at the bar and them in his car and there maybe a great explanation for that. He could have been drunk and she wasnt. Who knows. I was not there. but I think my point was, is that any picture can be taken out of context. We were not there and we do not know what happened and if I was famous and a picture of me got out that night it could have been taken the wrong way. And just for the record, I don't make a habit of doing that.

 

[happygirl]

Absolutely. You're not obligated to do anything but die and pay taxes.

However, in my eyes, your posts have far less merit if you don't qualify them. Which is fine with me, I suppose, as we tend to be on opposing sides of the topic.

Not sure why you're taking this "personal." As most of my discussion has been taking place via PM, it wouldn't bother me one way or another, at this point, if this thread sprouted wings and flew to California for a spa day.[/QUOTE]

That is great for you but don't mess it up for the rest of us.

Nevermind

 

[DMRick]

So we did this and we had a lot to drink and we ended up at a bar across the street and drank until 1 am. We never do this and we just wanted to have some fun. We ended up meeting some guys and they new we were married with kids, because we made it very clear. But that did not stop them from sitting there and talking to us..

Did you leave your girlfriend behind and leave in a car with one of them? That would prob not be cool.

But you are right, if you were famous, it prob would have made the tabloids. And of course if you had already been in them with some cute, young college boys a month or two earlier, you would have been fodder for the rags even more.

But luckily for you, you are not on TV and they only one you have to answer to is your hubby. And if he didn't care, and the tabloids didn't care, you are home free!

 

[TotalSnowWhite]

Why are you going at C.Ann? If this is what she wants to do, then so be it. I don't understand why it's bothering you so much. She has expressed her opinion, kindly I might add. If she wants to call all the sponsors then that's her business to do so. She has every right to post it on this thread since it relates to J&K and the kids. Obviously she feels convicted in her conscience enough to take steps. So what's the problem then? She is discussing her opinions here and I don't quite understand what you think she is "deflecting". I'm just surprised that you write something like that..."Or do you just need a cause outside of yourself and your own life and the Gosselin kids are it?" Don't you work with children? Should we criticize your motives for doing so? Of course not. C.Ann feels strongly about the Gosselin kids being exploited so she's putting her money where her mouth is. She is backing up what she says.

I'm not "going at" anyone. I am, however, debating her opinions, which is what we do on discussion boards.

Did you read her posts? She has said twice to stop talking about her opinions. That is deflection.

Interesting that you find that a criticism. How "telling." I absolutely need something outside of myself on which to focus.

She isn't backing up everything she says. She has even said she doesn't have to say anything she doesn't wish to say, which includes backing up her comments.

 

[TotalSnowWhite]

You might not care but many of us aren't discussing it anywhere else except this thread. I'm not discussing it via PM and don't post on other boards about it. Heck I don't even discuss J&K with my friends. This is the only place I discuss it. I'd hate to see the thread shut down.

That is great for you but don't mess it up for the rest of us.

She asked if that's what I wanted. I was just answering what was asked.

And just to put your minds at ease...my comments are a drop in the swimming pool (not even a bucket) compared to other comments this thread has lived through this past year.

 

[jpaxton1118]

Did you leave your girlfriend behind and leave in a car with one of them? That would prob not be cool.

But you are right, if you were famous, it prob would have made the tabloids. And of course if you had already been in them with some cute, young college boys a month or two earlier, you would have been fodder for the rags even more.

But luckily for you, you are not on TV and they only one you have to answer to is your hubby. And if he didn't care, and the tabloids didn't care, you are home free!

I understand and agree with what you are saying. I guess I can be a little naive when it comes to stuff like that. I grew up in a small christian school and when I saw small it was less then 100 people and a lot of my best friends were guys. Not because I did not get along with girl, they were my friends also, but I think that men and women can be friends, and to this day still some of my good friends are men. My husband of course is my best friend and I would never do anything to mess that up like Jon but I was not there. just like you have said in past post. We do not know what is going on and anything can be interpurted by photo's. We do know that he admitted to messing up but that he did not cheat.

I think the guy went out and got attention from some young girl and it feed his ego. Which he needed due to his wife knocking him down all the time and the fact that he was a SAHD with no goals. He liked it and kept it around. Now did it go farther we don't know. It may have but he said it didn't and it may not have.

We are not in his situation, we are not men who have been made to feel less by the person who is suppose to lift us up. Yes he gets his cuts in but he needs to because if he doesn't then he will feel like he is really worthless.
I think Jon is lost. He is only 30 right? 30 years old with 8 kids. I am 34 with 3 kids, SAHM and there are days that I feel lost, I know I have said it before and people do not agree with it because it is not PC but men are built for hunting and if theyare not doing that it makes them feel like a lesser person, worthless.

Now I will let you know when I get my PHD in pyschology.

 

[phamton]

I have seen the pictures of him at the bar but I have yet to see the video of him leaving the house or the picture of them sunbathing. Do you have a link, and just so you know I am not being snarky.All I have seen are the pics of him at the bar and them in his car and there maybe a great explanation for that. He could have been drunk and she wasnt. Who knows. I was not there. but I think my point was, is that any picture can be taken out of context. We were not there and we do not know what happened and if I was famous and a picture of me got out that night it could have been taken the wrong way. And just for the record, I don't make a habit of doing that.

Here's some of the pictures:
http://www.usmagazine.com/news/jon-and-kate-dads-three-month-affair-confirmed-200955

The video is here:
http://www.usmagazine.com/news/see-jon-and-kate-dad-sneaking-out-of-mistress-home-200955

 

[jpaxton1118]

She asked if that's what I wanted. I was just answering what was asked.

And just to put your minds at ease...my comments are a drop in the swimming pool (not even a bucket) compared to other comments this thread has lived through this past year.

I know, I have been called lots of names so far, but I just don't want it to get pulled that is all.

 

[jpaxton1118]

Nevermind