Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread-Part 4

[newtodis]

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I never said anyone couldn't comment or criticize what I post here.. Fire away.. It doesn't mean that I'm obligated to "give" you anything more than I choose to..

Don't know who that poster is that you are referring to, but I believe you are making this "personal" now - which could result in this thread being closed down.. Is that really what you want?

Agree to disagree and move along.. That too is the nature of the beast..

I think the point of the previous post was that it seems that any time someone asks for proof to back up something you'd stated, there wasn't anything you provided to support that. Now I'm not saying that's right or wrong, we all know I tend to ramble and have really random thoughts about things and can't always back them up with a link to an article but I also try and say that upfront or back them up with a personal experience. You're certainly not obligated to do the same and I'm not speaking for TotalSnowWhite or the other posters who'd asked previously (I can't keep them straight with things moving so quickly!!!) so I hope they don't mind me trying to clarify things so you're able to try and understand how I took the comment when I read it.....just another way to look at the comment that's all.

Of course not. C.Ann feels strongly about the Gosselin kids being exploited so she's putting her money where her mouth is. She is backing up what she says.

I tried to explain above, at least how I took the comment personally. Maybe that's not how TotalSnowWhite meant it, but that's how I read it. I certainly don't want to see the thread shut down as this is the only place I talk about J&K as others have mentioned. I've just noticed that if you happen to ask C.Ann for more information, you're going to get a "I don't have to share that" type comment and that's fine. Not everyone's willing to share everything and I respect that. I try (I know I don't always) to post a link or explain why I feel a certain way about something. That's one thing I've learned from this thread is that if you say something, be prepared for someone to question it and be able to have your source ready. I think that's all that was meant by that.....hopefully we'll all agree to disagree on whatever the topics at hand may be and discuss the show as kindly as possible.

 

[TotalSnowWhite]

You know, in the past I would have said there was no way I'd ever be a SAHM, but every now and then (like these past three weeks), I get a little taste of it and see how it could be really rewarding to be able to devote so much time to being "mommy." If I had the opportunity, I would absolutely be a SAHM now.

However, some people just aren't cut out for it. Seems like Jon is one of them. I still don't see what was stopping him from going out and getting a job. If they can afford to have help when he's home, they can probably do it while he's working. Of course, that's only if he truly wants an outside job and isn't just trying to pull out the sympathy.

 

[TotalSnowWhite]

I think the point of the previous post was that it seems that any time someone asks for proof to back up something you'd stated, there wasn't anything you provided to support that. Now I'm not saying that's right or wrong, we all know I tend to ramble and have really random thoughts about things and can't always back them up with a link to an article but I also try and say that upfront or back them up with a personal experience. You're certainly not obligated to do the same and I'm not speaking for TotalSnowWhite or the other posters who'd asked previously (I can't keep them straight with things moving so quickly!!!) so I hope they don't mind me trying to clarify things so you're able to try and understand how I took the comment when I read it.....just another way to look at the comment that's all.



I tried to explain above, at least how I took the comment personally. Maybe that's not how TotalSnowWhite meant it, but that's how I read it. I certainly don't want to see the thread shut down as this is the only place I talk about J&K as others have mentioned. I've just noticed that if you happen to ask C.Ann for more information, you're going to get a "I don't have to share that" type comment and that's fine. Not everyone's willing to share everything and I respect that. I try (I know I don't always) to post a link or explain why I feel a certain way about something. That's one thing I've learned from this thread is that if you say something, be prepared for someone to question it and be able to have your source ready. I think that's all that was meant by that.....hopefully we'll all agree to disagree on whatever the topics at hand may be and discuss the show as kindly as possible.

You got it, sister, on pretty much every point.

ETA: And this happens to almost everyone who posts here. Look at anyone who posts anything as a "fact." The next post inevitably says "Link?" or "Where did you hear that?" This is not new.

 

[Maggimus]

I do find it ironic that Jodi & Kevin can talk about the family and be called "scum"etc, they're only in it for the $$ etc BUT its ok for Kate to splash personal feelings about her HUSBAND and FATHER of her eight children and thats ok? Lets not start on the $$ she/they are getting.

Well, the Gosselins are a family. They can speak as they wish about things going on within their own home and in their relationship. No one else has that right. They may think they do-- but its really none of their business unless abuse is going on, and in that case-- the authorities would need to intervene, not "Aunt Jodi" playing "police".

Also-- if they were so concerned then 6months ago they should have went to the media-- not when the opportunity would arise and the tabloids couldn't get enough of this family. 6 months ago the Gosselin's weren't so heavily watched by the paparazzi or the tabloids-- that would have been a good time if they were being true to their feelings. Did it take them 6 months after talking to Jon to come up with something to say? Or just a good opportunity? One that might bring them a little fame and fortune...

I think the difference to me is, Jodi and Kevin aren't talking about their own immediate family. They are talking about someone elses family. I would feel the same way about Kate, as I do about Kevin and Jodi, if she started spewing out dirt on them. And again, I can't help but wonder, if this would have happened, if Jodi and Kevin had gotten paid to participate. When her sister Julie posted on GWOP about all Jodi told her, about how scripted it was, etc, Jodi was on the show, and didn't have a problem with it.

 

[jpaxton1118]

Here's some of the pictures:
http://www.usmagazine.com/news/jon-and-kate-dads-three-month-affair-confirmed-200955

The video is here:
http://www.usmagazine.com/news/see-jon-and-kate-dad-sneaking-out-of-mistress-home-200955

Who is the guy sitting in the picture with them? Could she have come with him and they are all friends? And the video does look like him but you can not see his face and this guy has a criminal past. How do we know that he did not stage this. I know I am reaching but I really could not see his face. It looked like his hair. I believe that Jon is acting stupid and being a kid but I still need to see him clearly.

 

[jpaxton1118]

Didn't Jodi go public a year ago on her sisters website?

 

[madge]

I thought when this was on the thead (16,000 messages ago LOL) it was discussed that usually the femal friend was also a friend or known to the wife.
Not usually sunbathing in a bikini at the wife's home while the wife is out of town.
However, as I said before, maybe it depends on what you consider cheating. Hmm..like the person who said, I did not have sex with that woman , and then we found out just what he did do with her?
And maybe John really did just make bad choices and was just talking with her. For me, it's not about the cheating anyway. I think the marriage was on the way out before that. I do wish they would release if they are under contract, and if they did want out, would TLC let them, or take them to court. I'd be interested in that as I flip-flop between them. And, did Jon sign that contract too, before or after he decided he wanted out.

I especially ... agree with the bolded part.

So no one thinks I condone Jon's behavior .. I don't. (I'm not as much of a JK8 hater as I am a JK8 debater, sometimes ) I believe he was/is cheating. I believed he was when the pictures first came out in February, in spite of people (no one specific, just general people ) saying there's no way he could have been cheating and it was just tabloid crap.

I can't understand how people who claimed this was all set up in February (with pictures, no less) are condemning Jon now, and are using tabloid journalism as their main source of proof. And because no pictures of Kate cheating have surfaced yet, people say there's NO way she could be cheating .. even though the same tabloids say she has.

As far as their contract goes, IIRC, Jon said they were contractually obligated for season 5 (40 episodes?) and there was an option for seasons 6 & 7. I wonder if there's a clause for separation or divorce. I also wonder if people will tune in for 39 more episodes, under the current circumstances. The episodes that have been filmed include 2 trips (California and Florida), Charm City Cakes, Orange County Choppers, and Emeril. I wonder if the California show was that recent, or if they've edited it to look that way in the previews.

Will people want to watch Jon and Kate in therapy, or more tension while they figure out who's spending time with the kids when? That's crossing a line to me. I would hope that wouldn't happen.

 

[newtodis]

If I had the opportunity, I would absolutely be a SAHM now. However, some people just aren't cut out for it. Seems like Jon is one of them.

ITA. I'm one that's not cut out for it. I stayed home with DS4 for about four months when was born and I was all over DH when he got home for adult conversation and to make sure he was ok (he's a firefighter so I sat home all day listening to the pager and the calls and everything....). I stayed home again when we moved across the country. It was awful - I didn't know anyone or how to get anywhere and it made for really long days at home with the boys. PLEASE don't get me wrong - I do love my children. I really honestly do and wouldn't trade them for anything!! They like their break from me (they will ask on weekends when it's going to be a "Michelle (our nanny) Day") and it's more special when I take a day off and stay home with them. DH gave me the option of staying home or going to work and I chose work. It makes our family life a bit more comfortable but I also enjoy the adult interaction. I get a lot done on my lunch hours each day so when I'm at home I can focus on my kids. I'm close enough that I can come home at lunch or be out running errands so that helps a lot too.

I hope that rambling makes some kind of sense! It's late and I need to get some sleep - my kids are up between 5 and 5:30 each day. Mommy's worn out! I could see where Jon went from being ther "supporter" of their family by having a job to Kate making the money that he would certainly resent that. That along with him saying he's not happy being at home all day (yes it's hard to take 8 kids out alone - some days it's tough to take 2 kids out alone!) not having any adult interaction or feeling like you're getting nothing done when things are constantly messy after you've cleaned them or all day fighting between kids or whatever it is that day.

 

[madge]

Didn't Jodi go public a year ago on her sisters website?

the Truth Breeds Hatred blog was started in June 2008 .. Jodi's video was in August.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

I think the point of the previous post was that it seems that any time someone asks for proof to back up something you'd stated, there wasn't anything you provided to support that. Now I'm not saying that's right or wrong, we all know I tend to ramble and have really random thoughts about things and can't always back them up with a link to an article but I also try and say that upfront or back them up with a personal experience. You're certainly not obligated to do the same and I'm not speaking for TotalSnowWhite or the other posters who'd asked previously (I can't keep them straight with things moving so quickly!!!) so I hope they don't mind me trying to clarify things so you're able to try and understand how I took the comment when I read it.....just another way to look at the comment that's all.



I tried to explain above, at least how I took the comment personally. Maybe that's not how TotalSnowWhite meant it, but that's how I read it. I certainly don't want to see the thread shut down as this is the only place I talk about J&K as others have mentioned. I've just noticed that if you happen to ask C.Ann for more information, you're going to get a "I don't have to share that" type comment and that's fine. Not everyone's willing to share everything and I respect that. I try (I know I don't always) to post a link or explain why I feel a certain way about something. That's one thing I've learned from this thread is that if you say something, be prepared for someone to question it and be able to have your source ready. I think that's all that was meant by that.....hopefully we'll all agree to disagree on whatever the topics at hand may be and discuss the show as kindly as possible.

You're so sweet, you should be the mother of this thread! Anyhow, I thought TotalSnowWhite meant C.Ann needed to back up her talk of stopping the exploitation of the Gosselin kids. So I thought she was by saying she (C.Ann) was going to contact sponsors, etc. I guess that's why I couldn't understand why she was bothered. Moving on....

Well, the Gosselins are a family. They can speak as they wish about things going on within their own home and in their relationship. No one else has that right. They may think they do-- but its really none of their business unless abuse is going on, and in that case-- the authorities would need to intervene, not "Aunt Jodi" playing "police".

Also-- if they were so concerned then 6months ago they should have went to the media-- not when the opportunity would arise and the tabloids couldn't get enough of this family. 6 months ago the Gosselin's weren't so heavily watched by the paparazzi or the tabloids-- that would have been a good time if they were being true to their feelings. Did it take them 6 months after talking to Jon to come up with something to say? Or just a good opportunity? One that might bring them a little fame and fortune...

I've wondered too why they didn't step forward sooner and there's many reasons that are possible. Perhaps they knew that since J&K were still so squeaky clean that people would brush off what they say. Or maybe during this time they were still trying to talk with J&K about it all. Jon did come to them after all. I guess we'll never what Kevin & Jodi's motivation was but I just find it interesting that people are quick to dismiss rumors about J&K as false but when Kevin & Jodi step forward, they are considered scum. Who knows, maybe they (especially Kevin since he's Kate's brother and knows her well) knew that doing something so public would wake her up. Geez, this whole thing is like a giant reality TV soap opera, isn't it?

 

[WaltD4Me]

Who is the guy sitting in the picture with them? Could she have come with him and they are all friends? And the video does look like him but you can not see his face and this guy has a criminal past. How do we know that he did not stage this. I know I am reaching but I really could not see his face. It looked like his hair. I believe that Jon is acting stupid and being a kid but I still need to see him clearly.

I'm sorry, I don't care who the guy is sitting with them, it is totally bizarre to me that this girl would come to the home and sunbath on the lawn. It's not the Playboy mansion for pete's sake. Apparently Kate wasn't home at the time, so she is laying out on their lawn with eight kids running around somewhere? No matter how you want to spin it it's odd and irresponsible. How can have a woman not your wife out on your lawn in a bikini and then whine about the papparazzi? They wouldn't be there if you weren't giving them material.

 

[OhMari]

I'm not "going at" anyone. I am, however, debating her opinions, which is what we do on discussion boards. Sorry, but the Debate board got shut down about 8 years ago on the DIS. No one could play nice and the mod's were tired of referring.

Did you read her posts? She has said twice to stop talking about her opinions. That is deflection.

Interesting that you find that a criticism. How "telling." I absolutely need something outside of myself on which to focus.

She isn't backing up everything she says. She has even said she doesn't have to say anything she doesn't wish to say, which includes backing up her comments.

The majority of us, don't want this thread to get shut down, I am not the moderator on the Community board, but I love this thread, and I've been participating since #1, so here is a reminder to #4 guideline:

4. NO FIGHTING/SARCASM: While we'd like to think that a Disney fan site is always lighthearted, there are times when there are disagreements. Let's face it, there are certain topics that can transform any of us into a raging "Donald Duck." When you sense this is happening, we ask that you step away from the discussion before it escalates into a fight. Just like Mom always said about fighting, we don't care who started the argument and we don't want it on the DIS. (Okay, she didn't say the part about the DIS, but you know what we mean.) No attacking others and no sarcasm please. Either will result in an infraction

 

[jpaxton1118]

the Truth Breeds Hatred blog was started in June 2008 .. Jodi's video was in August.

So I guess my question is, didn't she already try and say something? People are saying that they are just now coming forward, but they say they have tried to talk to the family and then she went public with it last August which is almost a year ago. I honestly feel like Kate's brother is trying to speak out to the public because he loves his sister and her family and wants it to be fixed. Do I think he is right? NO. but I think he thinks it is right and has there been proof that they have been paid anything? I know that the mags do pay for that stuff but do we know for sure that they were paid

 

[madge]

Maybe before the pictures of Jon, there was no one willing to pay them? But you bring up a good point. If they were so concerned, why didn't they do something 6 months ago..oh, that's right, LOL, there was no one willing to pay them.

do we know that they weren't offered before now?

 

[jpaxton1118]

I want to go to bed now but I am afraid that I will come back in the morning and there will be 20 pages so I think everyone should go to bed also.

 

[TotalSnowWhite]

The majority of us, don't want this thread to get shut down, I'm sorry you want the thread to drop in a pool of water, or whatever, most of us don't.
I am not the moderator on the Community board, but I love this thread, and I've been participating since #1, so here is a reminder to #4 guideline:

PMing you a question.

 

[DMRick]

http://www.usmagazine.com/photos/se...a-hummels-affair-photos?slideshow_id=1112&o=8


It may not be at the sunbathing photo..you may have to go through them to get to it.
http://www.usmagazine.com/photos/se...a-hummels-affair-photos?slideshow_id=1112&o=8

The video isn't clear enough to convince me either way. I didn't include that.

I have seen the pictures of him at the bar but I have yet to see the video of him leaving the house or the picture of them sunbathing. Do you have a link, and just so you know I am not being snarky.All I have seen are the pics of him at the bar and them in his car and there maybe a great explanation for that. He could have been drunk and she wasnt. Who knows. I was not there. but I think my point was, is that any picture can be taken out of context. We were not there and we do not know what happened and if I was famous and a picture of me got out that night it could have been taken the wrong way. And just for the record, I don't make a habit of doing that.

 

[WaltD4Me]

So I guess my question is, didn't she already try and say something? People are saying that they are just now coming forward, but they say they have tried to talk to the family and then she went public with it last August which is almost a year ago. I honestly feel like Kate's brother is trying to speak out to the public because he loves his sister and her family and wants it to be fixed. Do I think he is right? NO. but I think he thinks it is right and has there been proof that they have been paid anything? I know that the mags do pay for that stuff but do we know for sure that they were paid

I don't know if they were paid, but Radar On-line did admit to paying Nayda Suleman. That doesn't mean they paid Jodie and Kevin, it just means that they do pay. IMHO if you want to be taken seriously you don't go to Radar On-line. I feel pretty confidant that other more legitimate media sources would have told their story too...but they tend not to pay.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

http://www.usmagazine.com/photos/se...a-hummels-affair-photos?slideshow_id=1112&o=8


It may not be at the sunbathing photo..you may have to go through them to get to it.
http://www.usmagazine.com/photos/se...a-hummels-affair-photos?slideshow_id=1112&o=8

The video isn't clear enough to convince me either way. I didn't include that.

I agree, the video is very blurry and the face cannot be clearly seen. However, I do think it is suspect for Jon to be having a 23 year old sunbathing in the yard and then leaving a bar at 2am with her. It doesn't look good for him but we really can't be sure can we? I wonder, who took that sunbathing photo anyway?

 

[madge]

The Duggars haven't had nearly the success of the Gosselins, though. That much that quickly can throw one for a loop. The Duggar parents are also older and probably were stronger in their senses of self when they started their shows. Jon and Kate were so young when they started on this journey. Heck, I'm the age now they were when they started, and I am on a constant self-finding mission. I do my best for DS and DNiece, but I still need to work on me.

another thing about the Duggars, which may or may not have a thing to do with anything .. they were already doing well financially when they started their show. and as TSW says, older when they started. Jim Bob and Michelle were well into the parents of a large family thing when they got their show.... they were on baby #14 or 15. They know who they are and don't waver from it. I look at the Duggars, and I see them using their show to enhance their family's lifestyle/beliefs... which I can't elaborate on here without bringing religion into it.