Jon and Kate Plus 8 official Thread, Part 2!!

[cheermom1]

I did not pay to see her. The tickets were free.

ok I was wondering although you didn't owe it to me but thanks

 

[madge]

 

[Mom2Nick]

I totally agree, especially when you consider how many times she's told the same story over and over.

they're really bad in this clip (if I shared this one, already .. I apologize)




smiles were few and far between.

and she did walk off the stage after that.... she rejoined the pastor on the for the Q & A, and that was it.

I agree it was "odd" but it's hard to get rude unless you were there. Again - after all this time though and all the money you would think she'd have a more professional or gracious closing to her speech.

Oh well - I was not a big fan before so none of these clips changed anything for me.

 

[TotalSnowWhite]

You woudl think after all this time and all the money they earn that she would be able to brush up on her speaking skills a bit more. Ummmm - like etc. Geez - even in that small clip it was painful lol.

I didn't think the end was all THAT bad. Maybe because she was smiling etc but if she just walked off after that without a thank you I'd be annoyed.

Believe me, money does not a good speaker make!!

 

[madge]

Oh well - I was not a big fan before so nothing changed anything for me.

same here. Seeing Kate really didn't change my opinion at all... it's no better or worse.

 

[longstangetrip]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-412374295365660676&hl=en

PS. You'll note Kate didn't say thank you to the audience when it was over.

As one of my own kids pointed out to me a long time ago.. Kate's lack of "please", "thank you" and especially "I'm Sorry" is part of what makes her so "off" socially. Not that she doesn't use these words, but not as readily as most of us expect. Did she miss something along the way? I thought the videos were terribly boring and monotone. No offense! I appreciate you posting them!

 

[longstangetrip]

Here is what I could find about when Kate is speaking (sometimes with Jon.)

2009 Jon & Kate Appearances & Speaking EngagementsMarch 8th:First Christian Church, Elizabethtown, KY (Kate)

March 20th: Roswell United Methodist Church Roswell, GA (Kate)

NEW March 22nd: Woman's Lifestyle Show London, Ontario (Kate)

April 2nd-5th: Southern Woman's Show Nashville, TN (Kate)

April 24th: Southern Woman's Show Raleigh, NC (Kate)

May 13th: Frauenthal Center For The Performing Arts, Muskegon, MI (Kate)

September 24th: Southern Woman's Show Birmingham, AL (Jon & Kate)


October 11th: Southern Woman's Show Orlando, FL (Jon,Kate,Cara & Mady)

Wow, she really is traveling alone quite a bit. The twins, Jon and Kate did the Orlando Southern Woman's Show this past fall (as said before), and visited WDW while there.

 

[Maggimus]

I lurk on this thread, I hope it is okay to join in. Personally, I love the show. I could not IMAGINE having 8 kids, especially 6 at one time. I would think that having 6 at one time might make me quick to point out to my husband where he could help and intervene. I know some think its gotten out of hand. I think everyone does the best they can just to get by in life, and maybe that is the way that family does it. Jon may be a person who needs such guidance (or being told what to do)... and Kate may feel very overwhelmed with the job at hand. Definitely not justifying what some of you say about her, but sometimes until we walk with the shoe on the other foot- we really can't see the full picture.

I'm not completely sure why everyone doesn't like Kate? I would think this would be a thread more for the people who can kind of understand and sympathize with the situation. Im just curious ( I haven't lurked long enough to know) why everyone is so down on her, not impressed with her, etc. Unfortunately she is a person just like you or I, maybe not the best speaking skills and probably not the best showmanship. Shes a realityTV star

I know a lot of you work inside a church (I think I read that)... and I definitely dont want to stir the pot in that. I guess coming to this thread in the first place, I was surprised to see everyone with such "not great" (for lack of a better term) views of Kate. I can understand that some people don't like the way she talks to Jon, but is that the only thing or am I missing something? While marriage is private, and theirs certainly isn't... I'm sure if we all had a spotlight on our lives for a few years (and 8 kids thrown in the mix, 6 which still happen to be very young ) there would be a ton of people making quick judgements at well. Editing is a powerful thing. Sure, the stuff still happens (or else it wouldnt make it out of editing)... but the way people portray things can make the difference. Remember this is a TV show... the producers and stuff edit for ratings, and whats getting a lot of you watching?

Id love to know why else Kate is so disliked? Personally, I just watch the show... I haven't read the book, never been to an appearance, couldnt tell you the slightest thing about her other than whats portrayed on the show. I take it as nothing more than that, a show, and thats kind of it. And entertaining 30 minutes and go about my life... but like I said. If i had that many kids, all at once, all feeding, all diapering, all screaming, all pitching fits... I cant imagine what that would do to my patience. Im sure it changes who you are. Some have one child and can't handle it... get depressed and go off the deep end. With 6, sheesh, again, I can't imagine!

I really hope I haven't offended ANYONE. I just want to join in but think i joined in a little late in the game to understand where everyone is coming from.

 

[madge]

As one of my own kids pointed out to me a long time ago.. Kate's lack of "please", "thank you" and especially "I'm Sorry" is part of what makes her so "off" socially. Not that she doesn't use these words, but not as readily as most of us expect. Did she miss something along the way? I thought the videos were terribly boring and monotone. No offense! I appreciate you posting them!

LongStrangeTrip ... are you a lifelong Virginian? That might explain some of your manners thoughts. Not that people don't use manners in other parts of the country -- I know they do. But in the South (including Virginia and Kentucky), manners are sometimes stressed more than they are in other parts of the country. It's definitely regional thing. But not an excuse, especially in this setting.

If you're an organization that's willing to strike while the iron is hot and shell out big bucks to have Kate speak at your event, the payoff comes in the number of people that show up. In the end, It doesn't really matter whether or not Kate does a good job? (or does it?) Because I have to say, I'd be terribly disappointed if I spent $$$$ to book Kate and she didn't put any more enthusiasm into it than she did yesterday.

 

[MonkeyDishwasher]

I really hope I haven't offended ANYONE. I just want to join in but think i joined in a little late in the game to understand where everyone is coming from.

Of course not! I only joined on Page 151, so it's all good I think the general concesus (and please feel free to disagree) is that Kate's image has gone from "Surprise mother of 8" to "Mother of 8 who using her children for a paycheck, getting generally irratable or bored in public arenas when she's been paid to be there, and generally irratable towards her own family."

I think I would go absolutely insane with 8 kids in the house, so I can see where she has to be a little more stressed than anyone. Having cameras following your every move, even in small spaces, can only become annoying after too long. But the thing is that Kate has progressed into more of a media product at this point, rather than the happy mother of 8 she started out as. I do feel for her, but at the same time, there are some things she says to her kids that border on harsh ("Thank you mommy and daddy for the dogs!" "You're NOT welcome!" / "I swear these dogs are going back") that they may not be able to understand.

Also, they feel she is selfish and that she doesn't want to share the spotlight with anyone who could steal her thunder (note the disappearance of Aunt Jodi and Beth, supposedly due to the fact that TLC wanted to compensate them for their appearances on the show, but Kate put her foot down and cut them out of their lives rather than that).

I think it's one thing to put yourself in front of cameras 24/7, but a lot of folks feel that the children are the ones who are "suffering" for it in the long run. That Kate is the one to blame for any pain or long term effects that the kids may end up having in the end, and that she needs to be taken down a peg for those reasons. Yes, Jon signed them up as well, but he seems to have kept a level head throughout the whole thing.

 

[longstangetrip]

LongStrangeTrip ... are you a lifelong Virginian? That might explain some of your manners thoughts. Not that people don't use manners in other parts of the country -- I know they do. But in the South (including Virginia and Kentucky), manners are sometimes stressed more than they are in other parts of the country. It's definitely regional thing. But not an excuse, especially in this setting.

If you're an organization that's willing to strike while the iron is hot and shell out big bucks to have Kate speak at your event, the payoff comes in the number of people that show up. In the end, It doesn't really matter whether or not Kate does a good job? (or does it?) Because I have to say, I'd be terribly disappointed if I spent $$$$ to book Kate and she didn't put any more enthusiasm into it than she did yesterday.

I think you may be right. I've lived only in VA, NC and GA and manners definitely matter! Wouldn't you think she would try to know her audience? This is one of the very BASICS of effective communication. I just feel like no one is looking out for these people.

 

[OhMari]

I lurk on this thread, I hope it is okay to join in. Personally, I love the show. I could not IMAGINE having 8 kids, especially 6 at one time. I would think that having 6 at one time might make me quick to point out to my husband where he could help and intervene. I know some think its gotten out of hand. I think everyone does the best they can just to get by in life, and maybe that is the way that family does it. Jon may be a person who needs such guidance (or being told what to do)... and Kate may feel very overwhelmed with the job at hand. Definitely not justifying what some of you say about her, but sometimes until we walk with the shoe on the other foot- we really can't see the full picture.

I'm not completely sure why everyone doesn't like Kate? I would think this would be a thread more for the people who can kind of understand and sympathize with the situation. Im just curious ( I haven't lurked long enough to know) why everyone is so down on her, not impressed with her, etc. Unfortunately she is a person just like you or I, maybe not the best speaking skills and probably not the best showmanship. Shes a realityTV star

I know a lot of you work inside a church (I think I read that)... and I definitely dont want to stir the pot in that. I guess coming to this thread in the first place, I was surprised to see everyone with such "not great" (for lack of a better term) views of Kate. I can understand that some people don't like the way she talks to Jon, but is that the only thing or am I missing something? While marriage is private, and theirs certainly isn't... I'm sure if we all had a spotlight on our lives for a few years (and 8 kids thrown in the mix, 6 which still happen to be very young ) there would be a ton of people making quick judgements at well. Editing is a powerful thing. Sure, the stuff still happens (or else it wouldnt make it out of editing)... but the way people portray things can make the difference. Remember this is a TV show... the producers and stuff edit for ratings, and whats getting a lot of you watching?

Id love to know why else Kate is so disliked? Personally, I just watch the show... I haven't read the book, never been to an appearance, couldnt tell you the slightest thing about her other than whats portrayed on the show. I take it as nothing more than that, a show, and thats kind of it. And entertaining 30 minutes and go about my life... but like I said. If i had that many kids, all at once, all feeding, all diapering, all screaming, all pitching fits... I cant imagine what that would do to my patience. Im sure it changes who you are. Some have one child and can't handle it... get depressed and go off the deep end. With 6, sheesh, again, I can't imagine!

I really hope I haven't offended ANYONE. I just want to join in but think i joined in a little late in the game to understand where everyone is coming from.

Welcome to this thread.
I usually see you on the Freebie board.
This is actually our 2nd thread.
Most of us on the thread actually "like" Jon and Kate.
Within the last month, the thread has gotten a little harsh,
but most of us are just trying to I guess "rationalize" the
pictures of Jon and some of the interviews that came out within the last month too.

I have 4 kids, all in their late teens and early 20's and I can't believe how fast time flew by. I agree with you, 8 kids has to put you in a whirlwind. Having 4, I always said, I strapped my last child to me, and it was constantly, go, go, go and now my baby girl is in college.

So, we hope you stick around. We come and go.
I was actually bored with the show the last month,
and started enjoying Small People Big World, they had some great shows the last 4 weeks.
But I'm guessing like everything else, it all has its ups and downs.
We all really try discuss the show without
bashing the heck out of Jon and Kate

 

[Promomx2]

[QUOTE I've lived only in VA, NC and GA and manners definitely matter!

[/QUOTE] You better believe manners are big here in VA. "Please" was the second word I taught my kids.

 

[madge]

We all really try discuss the show without
bashing the heck out of Jon and Kate

that's why I am on this thread.

I don't know Kate and have no reason to dislike her. There are things about her (and Jon) that bother me, nothing more nothing less. I will freely admit to getting a little more than wound up from time to time, but that's usually when I have too much time on my hands to read blogs and get sucked into the drama.

 

[Maggimus]

Of course not! I only joined on Page 151, so it's all good I think the general concesus (and please feel free to disagree) is that Kate's image has gone from "Surprise mother of 8" to "Mother of 8 who using her children for a paycheck, getting generally irratable or bored in public arenas when she's been paid to be there, and generally irratable towards her own family."

I think I would go absolutely insane with 8 kids in the house, so I can see where she has to be a little more stressed than anyone. Having cameras following your every move, even in small spaces, can only become annoying after too long. But the thing is that Kate has progressed into more of a media product at this point, rather than the happy mother of 8 she started out as. I do feel for her, but at the same time, there are some things she says to her kids that border on harsh ("Thank you mommy and daddy for the dogs!" "You're NOT welcome!" / "I swear these dogs are going back") that they may not be able to understand.

Also, they feel she is selfish and that she doesn't want to share the spotlight with anyone who could steal her thunder (note the disappearance of Aunt Jodi and Beth, supposedly due to the fact that TLC wanted to compensate them for their appearances on the show, but Kate put her foot down and cut them out of their lives rather than that).

I think it's one thing to put yourself in front of cameras 24/7, but a lot of folks feel that the children are the ones who are "suffering" for it in the long run. That Kate is the one to blame for any pain or long term effects that the kids may end up having in the end, and that she needs to be taken down a peg for those reasons. Yes, Jon signed them up as well, but he seems to have kept a level head throughout the whole thing.

WOW, that helped a lot. Honestly, I havent seen any of the new episodes (the moving, the new house, the dog, etc... life has been pretty busy and at night I just havent had the time to catch them- however, now you have me interested in learning about this dog and whatnot).

I also had no idea about the Jodi & Beth thing, again, not things you can learn from the show. So Jodi & Beth were going to be paid (just as the 8 Gosslins are, or more like 2 Gosslins) and Kate said no, and now she doesn't even have personal contact with them? Thats crazy. How do people find out this stuff? LOL...

Welcome to this thread.
I usually see you on the Freebie board.
This is actually our 2nd thread.
Most of us on the thread actually "like" Jon and Kate.
Within the last month, the thread has gotten a little harsh,
but most of us are just trying to I guess "rationalize" the
pictures of Jon and some of the interviews that came out within the last month too.

I have 4 kids, all in their late teens and early 20's and I can't believe how fast time flew by. I agree with you, 8 kids has to put you in a whirlwind. Having 4, I always said, I strapped my last child to me, and it was constantly, go, go, go and now my baby girl is in college.

So, we hope you stick around. We come and go.
I was actually bored with the show the last month,
and started enjoying Small People Big World, they had some great shows the last 4 weeks.
But I'm guessing like everything else, it all has its ups and downs.
We all really try discuss the show without
bashing the heck out of Jon and Kate

Hello !! Yes, ive escaped the budget board for the day (can you believe they let me out of my cage? lol) to venture over here... the scary world of the CB (which is more like the Not so Scary Community Board once you get here...).

I have read a lot about the photos.. and I hate to see that. I honestly think id flip a lid if I were Kate. But again, I dont know the whole story.

I have learned a lot though. I guess I really need to catch up on these new episodes that ive missed (and lookout for this orange tan ive heard a lot about-- is it real or fake? ).

I will say this, in the last episodes that I *have* seen (which goes back a little bit).. she does look to be in better shape and more makeup (i.e. put together).

I will add that Im not liking the whole "move into the big house" thing. I guess thats where I kind of stop relating to her (as if i ever related in the first place?! 8 kids.. lol im thankful for 1 on the way, and was pleased to find out there weren't 2... let alone 6).

How long do you guys think she will continue the show? Again, I know nothing other than whats on the TV... does she have a contract? I cant imagine there being a lot of 'down to earth' footage in a huge house like that. How do they get the kids all in the same room? Also- anyone know how big the house is?

 

[Maggimus]

Also whats the shenanigans with Jon and his Mom? I think I read something about that here. Do i need to watch the new episodes? LOL am i driving everyone nuts? haha

 

[madge]

You better believe manners are big here in VA. "Please" was the second word I taught my kids.

my oldest son is 19, and still calls his former Sunday School teachers Miss _____ I suspect he always will

 

[madge]

How long do you guys think she will continue the show? Again, I know nothing other than whats on the TV... does she have a contract? I cant imagine there being a lot of 'down to earth' footage in a huge house like that. How do they get the kids all in the same room? Also- anyone know how big the house is?

they've signed for another year, and I think (?) there's an option for another two seasons. Jon & Kate are now producers of the show, too.

there have only been a few episodes shot at the new house, too soon to tell how much filming will be done there.

 

[TotalSnowWhite]

my oldest son is 19, and still calls his former Sunday School teachers Miss Carole, Miss Maryjane, and Miss Karen. LOL. I suspect he always will

Oh, I'm 25, and I still call one of our club sponsors from middle school Mrs. Guy...and she's a relative by marriage!

Newbies to the thread, bear in mind that a lot of what you read on this thread (on both sides) is speculation. And don't eat the cotton candy!

 

[madge]

someone from GWoP picked apart the article in our local paper .. tried to pass off the Senior Pastor's quote as something Kate said.