John Kerry for President!

[Galahad]

Originally posted by BedKnobbery2
I, personally, think it is FANTASTIC that the worst thing the nay-sayers can find to say about hs speech is that he was sweating.

An interesting snippit from Andrew Sullivan of The New Republic

I mean, even Dole was better eight years ago. Some of it was so pompous and self-congratulatory I almost gagged. Can you believe he said this:

I was born in Colorado, in Fitzsimmons Army Hospital, when my dad was a pilot in World War II. Now, I'm not one to read into things, but guess which wing of the hospital the maternity ward was in? I'm not making this up. I was born in the West Wing!


One thought sprang into my mind immediately: what an arrogant jerk.

 

[wvrevy]

Originally posted by Elwood Blues
So the BIG question is, who do you think the terrorists want as our next President?

Of course that's the question for you....Bush supporters can't help but try to frighten the populace, since if you look at his record of flip-flops and mismanagement, you'd have to be insane to think we'd be better off with four more years of this.

The important question is, "are you better off now than 4 years ago", and the VAST majority of Americans are going to answer that in a very STRONG negative.

 

[wvrevy]

Originally posted by Galahad
An interesting snippit from Andrew Sullivan of The New Republic

It was a joke.....which was obviously too much for the extreme right, which seems to have no sense of humor.

That's ok...the rest of the country sees that this PRESIDENT is a joke...so it's no wonder you've lost it

 

[faithinkarma]

An interesting snippit from Andrew Sullivan of The New Republic

And once again I say to all...who the heck cares what some columnist says? Why assume he is smarter than we are? Watch for yourself. Read for yourself. We have functioning brains. Let's think for ourselves. We are just as smart as any idiotic columnist who tries to impose his opinion on us. Make up our own minds and tell those who try to make it up for us to shove it.

 

[Galahad]

Originally posted by faithinkarma
And once again I say to all...who the heck cares what some columnist says? Why assume he is smarter than we are? Watch for yourself. Read for yourself. We have functioning brains. Let's think for ourselves. We are just as smart as any idiotic columnist who tries to impose his opinion on us. Make up our own minds and tell those who try to make it up for us to shove it.

Well, in this case I was allowing the columnist to say better what I actually think of the candidate after thinking for myself. I think that's what most people do when they quote columnists in their posts.

 

[JPN4265]

THE POODLE'S -- BEST IN SHOW -- THE DEMOCRATIC SHOW, THAT IS

Last night John Kerry rushed through his 55 minute speech accepting the Democratic Party's nomination for president of the United States. He kicked off his address by saluting the crowd and saying "I'm John Kerry, and I'm reporting for duty." So there you go. He sure didn't wait long to bring up his military service. And why not? What else does he have? Is he going to brag about his National Journal rating as the most liberal member of the U.S. Senate?

There was a lot of nonsense in his speech, let's get to it.

Right off the bat, he says "we are here tonight because we love our country." Nice try, but I'm not buying it. John Kerry was there last night because he wants power. He's not unique in that respect .. the same is true of most politicians. As a voter you should realize this. With few exceptions, the only reason your hero is running for anything is because they want the prestige and power that goes with holding political office. So ignore this "I love my country" stuff and concentrate on what this person is going to do when he actually gets that power he covets so much.

He also asked people to judge him by his record. How about judging him by his Senate voting record, the most liberal voting record in the United States Senate. This supposedly patriotic Democrat voted for the nuclear freeze, to cut the intelligence budget and also voted against the $87 billion in funding for American troops. Maybe we can judge him by his record of missing 29 out of 38 meetings of that intelligence committee he served on in the Senate. Maybe we can judge him on his record of 20 years in the U.S. Senate without a noteworthy legislative accomplishment. He wants people to judge him by his record? So what does he mention when he said that? His voting record? His lies about soldiers committing atrocities during Vietnam? Nope..he goes all the way back to his days as a prosecutor, then mentions only two votes in the Senate...voting for a balanced budget, and that 100,000 police officers on the streets bill. That, as you now know, was really just a partially funded mandate to the states. And of course, he threw in John McCain's name. How convenient.

Then, he accused President Bush of misleading us into war, which is a widely discredited charge. President Bush and Tony Blair have both been exonerated against any sort of misleading, since they relied on the intelligence at the time. Oh, and you do know that The Poodle voted for the war in Iraq and that the weapons of mass destruction have been found, don't you?

The Soufflé also used the dumb slogan "stronger at home and respected in the world." If you read between the lines, what he means is more government spending at home, and more appeasing and capitulating to the Axis of Weasels abroad. Speaking of spending, the Johns really want to expand the size and scope of the federal government that would make the spendaholic George W. Bush look tight-fisted in comparison.

Some of his spending plans? Well, The Poodle believes everyone has a right to health care. Any idea how much that would cost? He didn't say.... but cost-of-government experts are saying plenty. Kerry's government paid health care plan would cost ... hold your breath ... one trillion dollars. Where is he going to get that money? The rich? Nuh-uh...it's going to come from the middle class. The reason is simple...you could confiscate 100% of the wealth from the evil rich and it wouldn't cover sKerry's spending dreams.

Also, he says he will not privatize Social Security. That alone should be enough to send him packing. That the government continues to confiscate 15% of your income in one of the biggest legalized scams in history is a travesty. It has become nothing more than an inter-generational wealth transfer.

Then he had the nerve to bring up dependence on foreign oil....but of course would oppose any drilling for oil here in the United States. How about promoting nuclear power, John? Too bad the liberals and the anti-capitalist environmentalists are the ones that have us dependent on foreign oil in the first place.

What a sham....but now you have a choice.

 

[faithinkarma]

I disagree.... I think when most people quote columnists they are trying to "legitimize" their own opinion rather than simply state their own opinion. Certainly when I quote others I am trying to say that I do not stand alone in my opinion. But after watching the absolutely pitiful performance of the pundits during the convention I have come to realize I know at least as much as any of those jerks do. And I am very clear about my motives, unlike columnists who have who knows what axe to grind.

But at least you did attribute the quote.

 

[wvrevy]

Originally posted by JPN4265
THE POODLE'S -- BEST IN SHOW -- THE DEMOCRATIC SHOW, THAT IS

You know what...I originally posted a counter attack to this nonsense, but I'm going to delete it. Let the right show themselves for the fear-mongering wannabe's that they are. Kerry and Edwards are running a positive campaign, let the American people see what the Repugnicans are really like.

 

[jrydberg]

Originally posted by wvrevy
Of course that's the question for you....Bush supporters can't help but try to frighten the populace, since if you look at his record of flip-flops and mismanagement, you'd have to be insane to think we'd be better off with four more years of this.

Wow, that's... umm... way out of line.

 

[jrydberg]

Originally posted by faithinkarma
I disagree.... I think when most people quote columnists they are trying to "legitimize" their own opinion rather than simply state their own opinion. Certainly when I quote others I am trying to say that I do not stand alone in my opinion. But after watching the absolutely pitiful performance of the pundits during the convention I have come to realize I know at least as much as any of those jerks do. And I am very clear about my motives, unlike columnists who have who knows what axe to grind.

But at least you did attribute the quote.

FIK, I agree about the pundits. I don't need someone to tell me how I should interpret Kerry's speech. I couldn't stand to watch much of the coverage from the networks, CNN, etc.

 

[wvrevy]

Originally posted by jrydberg
Wow, that's... umm... way out of line.

Sorry....I just get sick of the attacks sometimes so I respond in kind....Seriously, my apologies.

But the point is simply this...It is hypocritical in the extreme for the Repugnicans (read: those on the right who do nothing but attack the left...NOT all Republicans) to attack John Kerry for "flip-flopping" and for rhetorical skills not quite equal to Bill Clinton's, when their candidate has flip-flopped on everything from nation building to the 9-11 commission, and sounds like a high school junior speaking for the first time in front of a large crowd EVERY time he's on TV (which he ducks as often as possible). I'm sick of it, that's all, and I'm going to call them on it when I see it.

 

[jrydberg]

Thanks for the apology, sincerely.

I do understand the frustrations. Just be aware that there are an equal number of legitimate frustrations on the other side of the aisle. Frankly, I don't care for it on either side. By all means, call the Republicans (believe it or not, I'm not a Republican) on it. That's fair game.

 

[wvrevy]

Originally posted by jrydberg
Thanks for the apology, sincerely.

I do understand the frustrations. Just be aware that there are an equal number of legitimate frustrations on the other side of the aisle. Frankly, I don't care for it on either side. By all means, call the Republicans (believe it or not, I'm not a Republican) on it. That's fair game.

Yeah, I know...You've said before that you were a libertarian, which I assume means that you're registered as an independant. Actually, I was as well for a long time, but in WV, Independants didn't get to vote in the democratic primary, so I officially switched parties when I moved into a house in a different district. I know you won't believe this, but I have never actually voted a "straight ticket" my entire life...I honestly try to determine the best man or woman for the job, regardless of party. (If this election was between Kerry and John McCain....well, I'd have a LOT harder time deciding where to cast my vote).

It's just so damn frustrating....Kerry gave a really remarkable and inspiring speech last night, regardless of what you think of his delivery, and the first few posts in this thread showed a lot of optimism...But then here come the repugs, selling negativity and fear, and it just ticks me off in the extreme.

Anyway, I just want people to know that I was NOT directing those comments at everyone that voted for Bush the last time, or even those that intend to vote for him again (for some strange reason ). My best friend in the world is a Bush supporter, and he's one of the brightest guys I know. I just wish that the debate could go on at an adult level, but when every Bush ad is an attack on Kerry, I'm not sure that's going to happen any time soon.

 

[bcvillastwo]

Around here the slogan is "Hope, NOT FEAR!"

Indeed hope is important. To live without hope would be a terrible way to live. But, hope without action is false hope. In my view, the best indicator of the likelihood of potential (or the hopes of the future) is what has transpired in the is past. Using that as my guide, I don't have the same hope that many of you share where a Kerry presidency is concerned.

Frankly, his record is terrible when it comes to the one thing that overrides everything else, the safety and security of this country. His record on defense is so very poor that I have no hope that the positions he's taken in the past (including recent ones) are likely to change.

When dealing with fanatics, the ability to achieve peace via diplomacy has failed over and over and over. These Muslum fantatics want to distroy our way of life and they don't care whether we are democrats, conservatives, libertarians, Republicans, liberals, communists, socialists, etc. We are infidels in their minds and for that we deserve to die.

I don't trust Kerry to deal effectively with the people who wish to destroy our way of life. If he wins in November I sincerly hope that I am wrong and that he is up to the job of dealing with these fanatics (but past is usually judged to be prologue I am sad to say).

 

[Galahad]

Around here the slogan is "Hope, NOT FEAR!"

But the much louder message....during the whole of the campaign, not just the last 4 days.....for the Democrats is that we must all FEAR what will happen if President Bush is reelected. It is really hard to believe that they are suddenly all happy optimists.

 

[bcvillastwo]

That's ok...the rest of the country sees that this PRESIDENT is a joke...so it's no wonder you've lost it

Actually, all of the polls I've seen or heard about over the last 6 months show a pretty even split across the country for Bush and anybody but Bush (e.g. Kerry).

So, how about having some intellectual honesty. At this point, it appears like this a going to be a close election and based on the evidence to date the comment about the "rest of the country" seeing that President Bush is a joke is pretty far off base (based on the facts).

To be fair, the Bu****es would be incorrect if they made a simliar claim.

 

[wvrevy]

See what I mean ?

Originally posted by bcvillastwo
Frankly, his record is terrible when it comes to the one thing that overrides everything else, the safety and security of this country. His record on defense is so very poor that I have no hope that the positions he's taken in the past (including recent ones) are likely to change.

Really ? Would that include the part of his record where he actually put his life on the line to fight for his country ? Or maybe the part where he returned from that war and, as MANY veterans did, spole out about the wrong direction it was taking ? Or maybe you're referring to the bills he voted for calling for cutbacks in the national defense...some of which were also voted for by one Dick Cheney ? You might want to actually LOOK at his record instead of just parroting what Bush's campaign commercials and media shills are saying.

Originally posted by bcvillastwo
When dealing with fanatics, the ability to achieve peace via diplomacy has failed over and over and over. These Muslum fantatics want to distroy our way of life and they don't care whether we are democrats, conservatives, libertarians, Republicans, liberals, communists, socialists, etc. We are infidels in their minds and for that we deserve to die.

Umm...terrorist attacks have INCREASED since Shrub came to office....Tell me again how well his approach is working ? And don't buy that crap about "they hate our way of life"...Suicide bombers aren't attacking us because we like to watch dirty movies and because they "hate our freedoms"...They attack us because they don't want us in their part of the world. You can't fight terrorism effectively if you go into it with the absolute WRONG idea about what spawns it.

Originally posted by bcvillastwo
I don't trust Kerry to deal effectively with the people who wish to destroy our way of life. If he wins in November I sincerly hope that I am wrong and that he is up to the job of dealing with these fanatics (but past is usually judged to be prologue I am sad to say).

And again, you trust Bush ? Despite the increase in terrorist attack...despite the war he started that has generated unprecedented anti-American sentiment around the world ? Despite the squandering of the good-will that existed towards this country after 9-11 ?

If you want to talk about records, that's fine...We can do that...but quit ignoring BUSH'S record in the process.

 

[richiebaseball]

Originally posted by wvrevy
Kerry and Edwards are running a positive campaign/QUOTE]


Speaking of calling someone out, I can't decide if you have actually convinced yourself of this, are naive, or are just lying.

Richard

 

[faithinkarma]

Originally posted by wvrevy


It's just so damn frustrating....Kerry gave a really remarkable and inspiring speech last night, regardless of what you think of his delivery, and the first few posts in this thread showed a lot of optimism...But then here come the repugs, selling negativity and fear, and it just ticks me off in the extreme.

Anyway, I just want people to know that I was NOT directing those comments at everyone that voted for Bush the last time, or even those that intend to vote for him again (for some strange reason ). My best friend in the world is a Bush supporter, and he's one of the brightest guys I know. I just wish that the debate could go on at an adult level, but when every Bush ad is an attack on Kerry, I'm not sure that's going to happen any time soon.

Thank you for verbalizing the frustration so many of us are feeling. No matter how poistive we try to be, we are accused of being negative and pessimistic. No one offers anything concrete to prove these allegations. It is just repeated over and over like a mantra. The logic of it escapes me.

I am in NY, so am probably seeing way fewer ads than other parts of the country. But every single Bush ad I have seen is an attack on Kerry ( accompanied by a doom and gloom voice with somber music ) and every single Kerry ad I have seen is a positive one for Kerry ( with an upbeat theme and rousing music ). And yet, Kerry is called negative????

 

[Nancy]

wvrevy...I know you got very frustrated with all the negative stuff about Kerry...but just think that is how Bush supporters must feel on this board vbecause almost every political debate ends uop slamming him and using that negative term "Shrub" to refer to him. It works both ways here on the boards...it seems to be an us or them kind of thing.

I finally saw Kerry's speech and it was a bit rushed and he was a bit sweaty...but just think how hot that building was with all those bodies in it...I would probably be sweating to.

What I didn't like was all the I served in VietNam and Bush didn't, so therefore I am better for this job. I have to wonder how much contact he has had over the years with all those guys standing up there with him. Have they been live long buddies or were they found and became buddies when he decided to run for office. His whole coming out and hugging them all was a bit of grandstanding.

This whole election is unlike any I have seen in my lifetime. I still have no clue who I want in office, nothing I saw during all the speeches has made me say OK Kerry is the one....but I don't think I want Bush in there either...so what is a person to do....go into the voting booth and say enie, meenie, minny, moe??