John Kerry for President!

Politics aside...
You do not know him like I do (one on one with no body else present.)
John Kerry is a miserable man.

MG
 
Originally posted by Maistre Gracey
Politics aside...
You do not know him like I do (one on one with no body else present.)
John Kerry is a miserable man.

MG

The only thing I have to go on is his record, his history, his words, and his deeds. A lot of people call President Bush unintelligent. They make fun of the way he talks, the words he uses. They say he's a puppet and just in it for oil and money and to finish what his daddy started. Whatever he is, he isn't Senator John Kerry. Senator Kerry is a politician. Period. Plain and simple. I have no doubt he'll shake your hand, kiss your baby, and tell you he's fighting for you but when a bigger, better deal comes along, he'll discard you like yesterday's newspaper.

If you've ever wondered what it would be like to have the stereotypical used car salesman as President, come November I reckon you have a 50/50 shot at finding out.

For me, better the devil I know than the devil I don't.

Just one man's opinion.

Richard
 
Originally posted by richiebaseball
I have no doubt he'll shake your hand, kiss your baby, and tell you he's fighting for you but when a bigger, better deal comes along, he'll discard you like yesterday's newspaper.
I agree with you, BUT... John Kerry (unless someone is watching) would snub a baby, and not even look at a voter as he passed by... [I have first hand knowledge of this]

MG
 

Originally posted by Samsara
What in the world?!?! :p
Hard to believe, but completely true.
JK is the most standoffish person I ever knew.
Whether or not you agree with his politics is beside the point... I will not attempt to change your mind. I fully believe that everyone has the right to their own informed opinion.

On a personal, non-political level, I can assure you he is not a personable guy. In fact, he is quite the opposite.
That does not mean he would be a bad President (even though I support Bush).

MG
 
Here, in a nutshell, is John Kerry's leadership record as a Senator. These are all of the bills he sponsored. I have noted whether or not it passed the Senate or House, passed into law, or was signed by the Pres., after each bill.
http://www.aflcio.org/issuespolitics/politics/kerry_bills.cfm
99th Congress (1)


S.CON.RES.62: A concurrent resolution expressing solidarity with the Sakharov family in their efforts to exercise their rights of freedom of expression, of travel, and of communication, as guaranteed under the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, and the Final Act of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe.

SPONSOR: Sen. Kerry (introduced 09/12/85) RELATED BILLS: H.CON.RES.186

100th Congress (7)


1. S.CON.RES.99: A concurrent resolution condemning North Korea's support for terrorist activities.(((PASSED SENATE)))

2. S.RES.189: A resolution to commend the United States Coast Guard for its recent heroic action in the rescue of 37 Soviet crew members(((PASSED SENATE)))

3. S.RES.279: A resolution expressing the sense of the Senate regarding ethical conduct expected of Senate political committees(((PASSED SENATE)))

4. S.J.RES.91: A joint resolution disapproving the certification by the President under section 481(h) of the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961.

5. S.J.RES.285: A joint resolution expressing the sense of Congress that Haiti falls under the definition of "major drug-transit country" as stated in section 481(i)(5) of the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961, and therefore should be subject to the certification process mandated by section 481(h) of that Act.

6. S.J.RES.369: A joint resolution to designate the period of September 17 through October 10, 1988, as "Coastweeks '88."

7. S.2365: A bill authorizing the release of 86 USIA films with respect to the Marshall Plan.(((PASSED HOUSE)))

101st Congress (4)


1. S.RES.201 : A resolution to commend the courage and heroism of Walter Suskind, and unrecognized hero of World War II.(((PASSED SENATE)))

2. S.J.RES.158 : A joint resolution designating October 22 through 28, 1989, as "World Population Awareness Week".(((SIGNED INTO LAW)))

3. S.J.RES.166 : A joint resolution to designate the period of September 16 through October 9, 1989, as "Coastweeks '89".

4. S.2575 : A bill to urge the Secretary of State to negotiate a ban on mineral resource activities in Antarctica, and for other purposes.

102nd Congress (12)


1. S.CON.RES.26 : A concurrent resolution calling for the United States to support a new agreement among the Antarctic Treaty Consultative Parties which would provide comprehensive environmental protection of Antarctica and would prohibit indefinitely commercial mineral development and related activities in Antarctica.

2. S.RES.18 : A resolution to recognize the accomplishments of Lewis A. Shattuck.(((PASSED SEANTE)))

3. S.RES.133 : A resolution to designate May 21, 1991, as "National Land Trust Appreciation Day", and to recognize the 100th anniversary of the establishment of the Trustees of Reservations(((PASSED SENATE)))

4. S.RES.144 : A resolution to encourage the European Community to vote to ban driftnets for all European Community fishing fleets on July 8 and for other purposes.(((PASSED SENATE)))

5. S.RES.185 : An original resolution to provide for expenses and supplemental authority of the Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs.(((PASSED SENATE)))

6. S.RES.324 : A resolution relating to declassification of Documents, Files, and other materials pertaining to POWs and MIAs.(((PASSED SENATE)))

7. S.J.RES.160 : A joint resolution designating the week beginning October 20, 1991, as "World Population Awareness Week".(((SIGNED INTO LAW)))

8. S.J.RES.318 : A joint resolution designating November 13, 1992, as "Vietnam Veterans Memorial 10th Anniversary Day".(((BECAME PUBLIC LAW)))

9. S.J.RES.337 : A joint resolution designating September 18, 1992, as "National POW/MIA Recognition Day", and authorizing display of the National League of Families POW/MIA flag.(((BECAME PUBLIC LAW)))

10. S.1418 : A bill to designate the Federal building located at 78 Center Street in Pittsfield, Massachusetts, as the "Silvio O. Conte Federal Building", and for other purposes

11. S.1563 : A bill to authorize appropriations to carry out the National Sea Grant College Program Act, and for other purposes.
(((SIGNED INTO LAW)))

12. S.3389 : A bill to amend the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 to prohibit certain transactions with respect to managed accounts.

103rd Congress (5)


1. S.CON.RES.67 : A concurrent resolution to correct technical errors in the enrollment of the bill H.R. 2333.(((CONCURRENTLY PASSED)))

2. S.RES.183 : A resolution expressing the sense of the Senate that the action taken by the Government of France against United States seafood products is a totally unwarranted action that is having severe repercussions on United States seafood producers and, in general, the United States fishing industry.(((PASSED SENATE)))

3. S.1206 : A bill to redesignate the Federal building located at 380 Trapelo Road in Waltham, Massachusetts, as the "Frederick C. Murphy Federal Center".(((BECAME PUBLIC LAW)))

4. S.1636 : A bill to authorize appropriations for the Marine Mammal Protection Act of 1972 and to improve the program to reduce the incidental taking of marine mammals during the course of commercial fishing operations, and for other purposes.(((BECAME PUBLIC LAW)))

5. S.2478 : A bill to amend the Small Business Act to enhance the business development opportunities of small business concerns owned and controlled by socially and economically disadvantaged individuals, and for other purposes.

104th Congress (10)

(((THESE TEN RESOULTIONS WERE FOR CERTIFICATION OF VARIOUS SHIPS. DIDN'T FEEL IT IMPORTANT TO LIST EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM.)))

105th Congress (1)


S.469

Title: A bill to designate a portion of the Sudbury, Assabet, and Concord Rivers as a component of the National Wild and Scenic Rivers System.(((PASSED HOUSE)))

106th Congress (3)


1. S.791 : A bill to amend the Small Business Act with respect to the women's business center program.(((BECAME PUBLIC LAW)))

2. S.918 : A bill to authorize the Small Business Administration to provide financial and business development assistance to military reservists' small businesses, and for other purposes.

3. S.1569 : A bill to amend the Wild and Scenic Rivers Act to designate segments of the Taunton River in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts for study for potential addition to the National Wild and Scenic Rivers System, and for other purposes

107th Congress (12)


1. S.CON.RES.7 : Concurrent resolution expressing the sense of Congress that the United States should establish an international education policy to further national security, foreign policy, and economic competitiveness, promote mutual understanding and cooperation among nations, and for other purposes.

2. S.RES.65 : A resolution honoring Neil L. Rudenstine, President of Harvard University.(((PASSED SENATE)))

3. S.RES.123 : A resolution amending the Standing Rules of the Senate to change the name of the Committee on Small Business to the "Committee on Small Business and Entrepreneurship".(((PASSED SENATE)))

4. S.RES.180 : A resolution expressing the sense of the Senate regarding the policy of the United States at the 17th Regular Meeting of the International Convention for the Conservation of Atlantic Tunas in Murcia, Spain.
(((PASSED SENATE)))

5. S.RES.216 : A resolution to honor Milton D. Stewart for his years of service in the Office of Advocacy of the Small Business Administration.(((PASSED SENATE)))

6. S.RES.264 : A resolution expressing the sense of the Senate that small business participation is vital to the defense of our Nation, and that Federal, State, and local governments should aggressively seek out and purchase innovative technologies and services from American small businesses to help in homeland defense and the fight against terrorism.(((PASSED SENATE)))

7. S.RES.302 : A resolution honoring Ted Williams and extending the condolences of the Senate on his death.(((PASSED SENATE)))

8. S.174 : A bill to amend the Small Business Act with respect to the microloan program, and for other purposes.

9. S.295 : A bill to provide emergency relief to small businesses affected by significant increases in the prices of heating oil, natural gas, propane, and kerosene, and for other purposes.

10. S.856 : A bill to reauthorize the Small Business Technology Transfer Program, and for other purposes.(((BECAME PUBLIC LAW)))

11. S.1499 : A bill to provide assistance to small business concerns adversely impacted by the terrorist attacks perpetrated against the United States on September 11, 2001, and for other purposes.

12. S.2869 : A bill to facilitate the ability of certain spectrum auction winners to pursue alternative measures required in the public interest to meet the needs of wireless telecommunications consumers.

1. S.300 : A bill to award a congressional gold medal to Jackie Robinson (posthumously), in recognition of his many contributions to the Nation, and to express the sense of Congress that there should be a national day in recognition of Jackie Robinson.(((BECAME PUBLIC LAW)))

2. S.318 : A bill to provide emergency assistance to nonfarm-related small business concerns that have suffered substantial economic harm from drought.

We report, you decide. So, WDYT?
 
Originally posted by richiebaseball
The only thing I have to go on is his record, his history, his words, and his deeds. A lot of people call President Bush unintelligent. They make fun of the way he talks, the words he uses. They say he's a puppet and just in it for oil and money and to finish what his daddy started. Whatever he is, he isn't Senator John Kerry. Senator Kerry is a politician. Period. Plain and simple. I have no doubt he'll shake your hand, kiss your baby, and tell you he's fighting for you but when a bigger, better deal comes along, he'll discard you like yesterday's newspaper.

If you've ever wondered what it would be like to have the stereotypical used car salesman as President, come November I reckon you have a 50/50 shot at finding out.

For me, better the devil I know than the devil I don't.

Just one man's opinion.

Richard

I realize, truly, that there is no way for either of us to change the other's minds. But I really had to laugh out loud when I read your post, because the "used car salesman" persona is EXACTLY how I view GWB. I truly believe the whole "I'm jist a bashful down-home feller like y'all" schtick is exactly that--a schtick. This man was born into money. He went to Yale. He went the Harvard Business school. He's had *every* opportunity handed to him on a silver platter. He knows how the political game works. He, as you accuse Kerry of being, is a Class A politician. But you know what? They are *both* involved in politics, which by definition, makes them politicians. But in terms of savviness, and if you'll forgive me, sliminess, I think GWB beats JFK hands down. He's duped people--even his opposition--into believing he's just this kinda goofy, not-so-bright, down-home kinda guy. I know a lot of people whom I agree with politically disagree with me on this point; but I've said it before, and I'll say it again. GWB may not come across as the brightess bulb in the socket, but I firmly believe he is a brilliant politician (in the negative sense of the word, as you've implied for JFK).
 
Originally posted by BKtoo
I realize, truly, that there is no way for either of us to change the other's minds. But I really had to laugh out loud when I read your post, because the "used car salesman" persona is EXACTLY how I view GWB. I truly believe the whole "I'm jist a bashful down-home feller like y'all" schtick is exactly that--a schtick. This man was born into money. He went to Yale. He went the Harvard Business school. He's had *every* opportunity handed to him on a silver platter. He knows how the political game works. He, as you accuse Kerry of being, is a Class A politician. But you know what? They are *both* involved in politics, which by definition, makes them politicians. But in terms of savviness, and if you'll forgive me, sliminess, I think GWB beats JFK hands down. He's duped people--even his opposition--into believing he's just this kinda goofy, not-so-bright, down-home kinda guy. I know a lot of people whom I agree with politically disagree with me on this point; but I've said it before, and I'll say it again. GWB may not come across as the brightess bulb in the socket, but I firmly believe he is a brilliant politician (in the negative sense of the word, as you've implied for JFK).


Amen! Don't forget that he's been campaigning ever since
his stint in the reserves, right out of college, way b4 John Kerry ever started in politics-by his own admission, that's what he
was doing instead of showing up for duty.
 
Originally posted by shortbun
Like Nancy and Ron, Jimmy and Rosylyn, Franklin and Eleanor,
Bill and Hillary......these First Ladies ALL made a big difference.
It is the 21st century. Women no longer sit and knit while the
men rule the roost-or hadn't you heard. The First Lady is very
important in my book. Obviously George W Bush thinks so too.
The other day on CSPAN he said the biggest reason for voting
for him for president was to keep Laura in the White House.
This was Friday in Missouri and I saw and heard him say it. It
was, of course, a semi-closeted slam against Terese Heinz Kerry
but it is what he said.


Gee women no longer sit and knit while men rule the roost...Golly gee I never heard that at all in all my 46 yrs..including the yrs I ran my own business and now in my management position. Holy cow that is a news flash to me!

I don't vote for the man based on his wife....his wife is not running for Pres or VP. I also heard what Bush said but I heard it on FOX...because all the news channels were showing his speech. And if it was a slam against THK...oh well...I pay no attention to them. I heard her talk and heard her comment to the one reporter...doesn't change my opinions on her husband one way or the other. I voted for Ron..not Nancy, I voted for Bill not Hillary, I didn't vote for the other 2 men so I can't say. I still don't want either man in the White House so where does that leave me?
 
Originally posted by Nancy
Gee women no longer sit and knit while men rule the roost...Golly gee I never heard that at all in all my 46 yrs..including the yrs I ran my own business and now in my management position. Holy cow that is a news flash to me!

I don't vote for the man based on his wife....his wife is not running for Pres or VP. I also heard what Bush said but I heard it on FOX...because all the news channels were showing his speech. And if it was a slam against THK...oh well...I pay no attention to them. I heard her talk and heard her comment to the one reporter...doesn't change my opinions on her husband one way or the other. I voted for Ron..not Nancy, I voted for Bill not Hillary, I didn't vote for the other 2 men so I can't say. I still don't want either man in the White House so where does that leave me?

:rolleyes: Glad to bring you into this century but I see we still have work to do as you refer to "the man" rather than the
candidate and ....well, never mind.

Now, on that "IF" in your comments about what GWB said in
Missouri. You didn't recognize that as a not so subtle comparison
in his eyes about who the best First Lady would be? Hmmm,
again, more work to do.

Last-you might have voted for Ron; you got Nancy a great deal
of the time. And-Bill and Hillary stated right up front that they
were a team. My husband and I are partners. At this time
in history, any good marriage is a partnership with input, guidance
and support being the very least a spouse contributes. A First
Lady who denies she's involved is suspect and detached IMHO.
I have my thoughts on why Laura Bush would detach herself from
her husband. That's another post.
 
Originally posted by Maistre Gracey
Hard to believe, but completely true.
JK is the most standoffish person I ever knew.
Whether or not you agree with his politics is beside the point... I will not attempt to change your mind. I fully believe that everyone has the right to their own informed opinion.

On a personal, non-political level, I can assure you he is not a personable guy. In fact, he is quite the opposite.
That does not mean he would be a bad President (even though I support Bush).

MG

LOL! We are supposed to believe you have any personal experience with a major political candidate why? Oh-you and
John were drinking Kongaloosh together and he mocked you
or what? Puhleeeze! You said it, "Hard to believe."
 
Originally posted by ToriLammy
I think maybe the one they quoted was speaking for the four Marines present at Wendy's and not the entire military. As for not wanting to shake his hand did they say that (?)...maybe they just didn't want the attention his interrupting their lunch brought on them with the press corps that is following Kerry. I can't blame them for not wanting to be a "Photo Op." It is kind of rude to assume that people want to talk to you when they are eating. It probably would have been better to have a handler ask them if it was okay before he just walked over to them at their table.

If they did not want the attention then why stick around to answer reporters questions? and have their picture taken? And is there not some rule about military personnel making political statements while in uniform?

Actually this is such a non issue. Unfortunately people spend so much mileage on these trivialities, the real issues get overlooked. Personally I think Cheney asking people to sign a pledge of allegiance to Bush to get tickets to a rally, or the Cheney camp asking what race a newspaper photographer was before allowing her acccess are infinitely more telling.
http://www.azstarnet.com/dailystar/dailystar/32301.php
President Bush's re-election campaign insisted on knowing the race of an Arizona Daily Star journalist assigned to photograph Vice President Dick Cheney.

The Star refused to provide the information.

Cheney is scheduled to appear at a rally this afternoon at the Pima County Fairgrounds.

A rally organizer for the Bush-Cheney re-election campaign asked Teri Hayt, the Star's managing editor, to disclose the journalist's race on Friday. After Hayt refused, the organizer called back and said the journalist probably would be allowed to photograph the vice president.

"It was such an outrageous request, I was personally insulted," Hayt said later.

Danny Diaz, a spokesman for the president's re-election campaign, said the information was needed for security purposes.
 
And is there not some rule about military personnel making political statements while in uniform?

I remember some discussions about this not too long ago. I don't recall specifics, but I think you're right. That might well explain why they didn't want their names made public. They'd be a world of trouble for breaking military regulations.


Apparently trying to embarrass Kerry is more important to him than following military regulations, but as long as he can sneak by doing it, he will.

Sounds like a weasel to me....

I think Cheney asking people to sign a pledge of allegiance to Bush to get tickets to a rally, or the Cheney camp asking what race a newspaper photographer was before allowing her acccess are infinitely more telling.

I agree, but until the Bush crowd can find something of significance to complain about, we'll continue to see these silly and trivial stories. It's all they've got.
 
Originally posted by Maistre Gracey
Politics aside...
You do not know him like I do (one on one with no body else present.)
John Kerry is a miserable man.

MG

According to the latest Newsweek poll taken over two nights, both before and after Kerry's convention speech, you are not in the majority.

"the Democratic Party’s nominee now boasts stronger ratings than the president on being “personally likeable” (67 percent agree with that description of Kerry, 62 percent of the president); on being someone who cares about “someone like you” (57 percent feel this describes Kerry, 44 percent Bush); and on having “strong leadership qualities” (31 percent don’t see these in Kerry whereas 38 percent don’t see them in Bush)."http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5568072/site/newsweek/
 
Originally posted by faithinkarma
If they did not want the attention then why stick around to answer reporters questions? and have their picture taken? And is there not some rule about military personnel making political statements while in uniform?

Actually this is such a non issue. Unfortunately people spend so much mileage on these trivialities, the real issues get overlooked.

Ummm, maybe they wanted to finish eating. Maybe they couldn't get away from the press, face it Wendy's aren't all the big. Kerry is a big story right now - all the networks, major newspapers have reporters with the bus tour right now. How many reporters do you think were in the Wendy's? As for having their picture taken - doubt they were given a choice in the matter - maybe if they had been we wouldn't even know about this ;) As for the rule about making political statements in uniform, yes there is one and that is probably why the Marines didn't give their name. I'm guessing that given the circumstances they won't get in trouble - they really had no choice. They did seem to act respectful while Kerry was in their presence.
1b5a1
As for it being a non-issue. I was replying to you who seemed to be questioning the Marines integrity and where you were so upset about him "talking for the entire military" so I gave my opinion as to why they weren't happy about the intrusion on their time, space and lunch and how his quote about "speaking for all of us" was about him and his 3 friends. I was simply providing a different prospective.
 
As for the rule about making political statements in uniform, yes there is one and that is probably why the Marines didn't give their name. I'm guessing that given the circumstances they won't get in trouble - they really had no choice. They did seem to act respectful while Kerry was in their presence.

Trying to prevent getting into trouble by refusing to give his name won't help him much when there's a picture of the incident. What circumstances were there that would excuse his actions and how is it they had no choice? This guy could have most certainly behaved like a gentleman, shook the man's hand and kept his mouth shut. No one forced him to spout off to the press.

Whether he spoke out in Kerry's presence or waited until he was gone makes no difference.

That said, he should support the President 100%, and I assume he will when the President is John Kerry, whether he wants to or not.
 
As for it being a non-issue. I was replying to you who seemed to be questioning the Marines integrity and where you were so upset about him "talking for the entire military" so I gave my opinion as to why they weren't happy about the intrusion on their time, space and lunch and how his quote about "speaking for all of us" was about him and his 3 friends. I was simply providing a different prospective.

Fair enough. Just as I was trying to offer a different perspective from the person who brought up the subject in the first place, and tried to use it as proof that there was no support for the Kerry in the military.

I do agree that these men should not suffer any reprocussions from what they said. Although I have difficulty with the concept of them not giving their names because they had broken the rules. That suggests that it is OK to break the rules as long as you can do it annonymously.
 
Originally posted by richiebaseball
Imagine this: It's the early 1970's and George Bush is in Alabama with half a dozen other pilots from the National Guard. Some of the fellows even have their wives with them. They all get together and a picture is taken. 30 years later President Bush is using that picture in a video for his re-election campaign. It talks about camaraderie and the brotherhood of pilots. Maybe it even has one or two of the wives remarking how dashing and brave the young George W. Bush is. Well, one of the wives in that picture is you. You know the question. What would you do?

Richard

Imagination is what you're going to need for that picture.

What the heck.............let's let our imagines run wild.

Imagine this: George Bush explaining how he received his combat medals and who's life he saved.
 
Originally posted by ThAnswr
Imagination is what you're going to need for that picture.

What the heck.............let's let our imagines run wild.

Imagine this: George Bush explaining how he received his combat medals and who's life he saved.

Just for you, I'll rephrase the question. I'm not aware of George Bush receiving combat medals or saving anyones life. As a matter of fact according to you that would be beyond the realm even of imagination. What is not beyond the realm of imagination is that some people liked George Bush while he was a pilot in the National Guard. It is also not beyond the realm of imagination that George Bush and his "friends" may have gathered for some fun and frolic a time or two, possibly with some wives present and possibly with a camera present. It is also not beyond the realm of imagination to think that a picture may have been snapped of these friends. Now put yourself in the shoes of one of the wives in that photo. Believing what you do today, how would you feel?

To add obvious sarcasm, you get extra points for just answering the question.

Richard
 















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