Is it okay to put family first? (Response to royal family stuff)

[Adelle Dazeem]

I haven’t defended them over and over again. I said I have issues with people dismissing mental health issues, I have empathy for them and in fact my last post said there are no innocent parties in this. But go ahead with your narrative.

Thank you!!

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

Maybe I missed it, but I haven't seen anyone say they shouldn't have been allowed to walk away. If they had simply walked away & not pursued the attention of the media that they were supposedly so eager to get away from, this thread would have been dead a long time ago.

I don’t mean this to be snarky, but go back to the early pages of this thread. There are a lot of people who said Harry’s duty was the monarchy and the Queen and had great issue with them walking away.

I can understand people not being happy with how they did it (although I still stand by some of the reactions here are beyond ridiculous), but it their basic human right to live their own life.

 

[ronandannette]

Same for me. As a teenage girl myself, it was like watching a real life fairy tale. I set the alarm to be up and watch the wedding in the middle of the night (no VCRs back then). It was so sad watching it all fall apart.

I was right there with you and I doubt very many girls our age (especially Disney lovers) didn't totally idolize the situation. But in later years it has always really bothered me that as it unfolded, a certain reality was always ignored. That being that he never, ever, ever wanted to marry her. She wasn't even his second choice, or any choice of his at all.

It was a decision made and imposed by his beloved Louis Mountbatten for the perceived good of the Monarchy. It was a pattern that spanned three generations with similar tragic results as both David (Edward VIII) and Margaret were not permitted to marry the ones they truly loved. The aftermaths of both those situations also left wreckage and disfunction in their own lives and the lives of many around them. And can any of us really know what we would have done if saddled with such a completely unsuitable spouse? I hate every bit of how the whole thing worked out but I just don't have it in me to canonize Diana and blame everything on the demon Charles.

 

[tarheelmjfan]

I don’t mean this to be snarky, but go back to the early pages of this thread. There are a lot of people who said Harry’s duty was the monarchy and the Queen and had great issue with them walking away.

I can understand people not being happy with how they did it (although I still stand by some of the reactions here are beyond ridiculous), but it their basic human right to live their own life.

Sorry, but I won't respond to anymore posts on this thread. I've already had a couple posts deleted & don't care enough about the topic to get points over it.

 

[TLSnell1981]

BTW...Catherine coat is lovely. What a beautiful shade of pink.

I think its obvious on this thread who are the actual British citizens/Commonwealth citizens/Americans knowledgeable about the monarchy VS. random Americans who get their news from Oprah and TMZ lol

Don't be hard on All Americans. We really aren't all bad.
I love the history and tradition. The Queen is a rock...mad respect for her especially. Besides never been an Oprah or TMZ fan.

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

Sorry, but I won't respond to anymore posts on this thread. I've already had a couple posts deleted & don't care enough about the topic to get points over.

Fair enough!

 

[redrosesix]

I haven’t defended them over and over again. I said I have issues with people dismissing mental health issues, I have empathy for them and in fact my last post said there are no innocent parties in this. But go ahead with your narrative.

I honestly didn't see anyone dismissing mental health issues. I saw a lot of people questioning her allegation that she wasn't allowed to get any help -- I agree it doesn't make sense under the circumstances (and here, I'm not repeating the reasons at the risk of being accused of being repetitive). And had that been the only statement that didn't make sense, it wouldn't have been important. Several of Meghan's statements were easily proven to be false.

But it really looks like this interview was crafted and rehearsed to make the RF look as bad as possible, and to hit on the trending issues in the US. And so far it looks like it worked in the US -- not so much in the UK and Canada.

 

[TipsyTraveler]

I was right there with you and I doubt very many girls our age (especially Disney lovers) didn't totally idolize the situation. But in later years it has always really bothered me that as it unfolded, a certain reality was always ignored. That being that he never, ever, ever wanted to marry her. She wasn't even his second choice, or any choice of his at all.

It was a decision made and imposed by his beloved Louis Mountbatten for the perceived good of the Monarchy. It was a pattern that spanned three generations with similar tragic results as both David (Edward VIII) and Margaret were not permitted to marry the ones they truly loved. The aftermaths of both those situations also left wreckage and disfunction in their own lives and the lives of many around them. And can any of us really know what we would have done if saddled with such a completely unsuitable spouse? I hate every bit of how the whole thing worked out but I just don't have it in me to canonize Diana and blame everything on the demon Charles.

I’ve always thought it was... I don’t know, odd? Surprising?... that so many people saw Diana as the sweetheart and Charles and Camilla as the villains. Obviously their general personalities and likeability, or lack thereof, influenced people’s opinions of the situation more so than the nitty gritty facts. Because, think about it, the Charles and Camilla story sounds like a classic tale of true love. A young prince, pressured by an evil queen/monarchy, forced to marry to provide heirs for the royal line. He’s not allowed to marry the woman he loves and instead a young and beautiful girl is chosen for him, for whom he feels no affection. Yada, yada, things fall apart and he and his true love are finally able to be together. Seriously, it sounds like a typical fairy tale story. But, you know, people connected better with Diana so she was cast as the hero of the story and Charles and Camilla were vilified. It’s funny how completely different a story can be told if viewed from a different perspective.

 

[Cheburashka]

It was a decision made and imposed by his beloved Louis Mountbatten for the perceived good of the Monarchy. It was a pattern that spanned three generations with similar tragic results as both David (Edward VIII) and Margaret were not permitted to marry the ones they truly loved. The aftermaths of both those situations also left wreckage and disfunction in their own lives and the lives of many around them.

Meh. I for one am very glad that George and then Elizabeth ended up being the monarchs of England, rather than the Nazi-sympathizing & impulsive David.

Margaret's dalliances didn't seem to have tragic results. Temporary heartache for her and the man involved, certainly, but it's hard to sympathize when you recall that the man was already married...

Diana would have been the ideal Princess of Wales & later Queen Consort of England, if only Charles had happened to love her. She really connected with the people and fit the princess role perfectly. She and Charles also groomed William for his future duty very well. Tragic that they couldn't make it work as a couple, but the potential for them to be a phenomenal King and Queen was there.

 

[ronandannette]

I’ve always thought it was... I don’t know, odd? Surprising?... that so many people saw Diana as the sweetheart and Charles and Camilla as the villains. Obviously their general personalities and likeability, or lack thereof, influenced people’s opinions of the situation more so than the nitty gritty facts. Because, think about it, the Charles and Camilla story sounds like a classic tale of true love. A young prince, pressured by an evil queen/monarchy, forced to marry to provide heirs for the royal line. He’s not allowed to marry the woman he loves and instead a young and beautiful girl is chosen for him, for whom he feels no affection. Yada, yada, things fall apart and he and his true love are finally able to be together. Seriously, it sounds like a typical fairy tale story. But, you know, people connected better with Diana so she was cast as the hero of the story and Charles and Camilla were vilified. It’s funny how completely different a story can be told if viewed from a different perspective.

Yes, just so. And if one wanted to speculate on anything, for me it would be whether or not Elizabeth ever regretted her own extremely culpable part in dreadful outcomes of both Margaret and Charles? If not for their own sakes, then even for the RF in general? What might her inner thoughts have been watching the unravelling of her beloved sister and the utter heartbreak of her own son? "Never complain, never explain" carries the day in a lot of situations but she's still a human woman and if it were me, I'd be tormented.

 

[BayouQueen]

There is this, but there is also the appearance that Harry has decided to turn his back on his entire family, cutting his kids off from their extended family. Sure Meghan is the one who had to be in the press every day this week (today it was about the work their charities are doing) but I can't get over the fact that they taped the interview on the same day that Philip went into hospital.

But more than that -- maybe this was always destined to be the case. I was talking with my mother over dinner, who has always known more about the current royals than I have. She is still horrified at the fact that Harry dressed up as a Nazi when he was much younger. Of course, Nazis have a bad name anywhere but the Queen lived through the blitz -- so he basically dressed as her enemy. My uncle was posted to London at that time and he never really got over what he saw there. Was that vindictive or was it just callous? Same for this stupid interview. It seems like he always underestimates the consequences of his actions and how they affect other people. Meghan is out to make money clearly, but Harry is something else.

You know, I hesitate to bring this up because it's me paraphrasing so badly and kinda speculating, but....I saw Harry interviewed before he was ever even with Meghan Markle, and the general gist of it was that really in this day and age the whole idea of a monarchy is kinda obsolete, and that it's just a strange concept for someone to be royal just by accident of birth...yada yada.

Again, I'm paraphrasing and just relating what my take-away was from the interview. I remember being really shocked at the time that he would be so negative. Upshot is that wearing the Nazi uniform and all his other stunts, seems like he's just trying to blow the whole thing up.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

There is this, but there is also the appearance that Harry has decided to turn his back on his entire family, cutting his kids off from their extended family. Sure Meghan is the one who had to be in the press every day this week (today it was about the work their charities are doing) but I can't get over the fact that they taped the interview on the same day that Philip went into hospital.

But more than that -- maybe this was always destined to be the case. I was talking with my mother over dinner, who has always known more about the current royals than I have. She is still horrified at the fact that Harry dressed up as a Nazi when he was much younger. Of course, Nazis have a bad name anywhere but the Queen lived through the blitz -- so he basically dressed as her enemy. My uncle was posted to London at that time and he never really got over what he saw there. Was that vindictive or was it just callous? Same for this stupid interview. It seems like he always underestimates the consequences of his actions and how they affect other people. Meghan is out to make money clearly, but Harry is something else.

And besides the Nazi uniform, the big game hunting. The rescue chickens would be horrified!

 

[PaulaSB12]

King Edward abdicated as he wanted Wallis that was his official reason. His nazi leanings where more to the point like surrounding himself with prominent nazis in his office and telling the German ambassador he would threaten to abdicate if war with Germany was threatened during the war the American government found he was leaking stuff to the Germans that is why he was moved to the Bahamas it was also proven that he encouraged the london bombing raids to shorten the war and that he wanted to be king again if Germany won he had to be kept away after https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ternational-archives-reveal-10306121.html?amp
https://www.history.com/.amp/news/h...wn-queen-elizabeth-edward-margaret-fact-checkhttps://www.history.com/.amp/news/h...wn-queen-elizabeth-edward-margaret-fact-check



As for Margaret there is a letter from her showing that she had decided to think about whether she would or would not marry but it would be her choice. Look at how he behaved after he then started dating and at 45 married a 19 year old.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....d-split-queen-elizabeth-royal-family-news/amp

 

[Pea-n-Me]

Just an aside, but if people don’t want the “spinnies” with their URLs, just insert the address into that figure 8 type thing on the bar above the reply box and it will come out in words instead.

 

[mom2rtk]

Yeah, but that doesn’t really explain the need for the incessant posts that do nothing more than bash them. Of course everybody is allowed an opinion and if that’s theirs, great. However, when one only posts the same thing over and over again without adding to the conversation, it borders (or crosses) into obsessive. It also makes for a weak argument. Discussing like that will never get somebody else to see your point.

There are some posts here that I would consider "incessant". Probably not the same ones you do though.

 

[mom2rtk]

I was right there with you and I doubt very many girls our age (especially Disney lovers) didn't totally idolize the situation. But in later years it has always really bothered me that as it unfolded, a certain reality was always ignored. That being that he never, ever, ever wanted to marry her. She wasn't even his second choice, or any choice of his at all.

It was a decision made and imposed by his beloved Louis Mountbatten for the perceived good of the Monarchy. It was a pattern that spanned three generations with similar tragic results as both David (Edward VIII) and Margaret were not permitted to marry the ones they truly loved. The aftermaths of both those situations also left wreckage and disfunction in their own lives and the lives of many around them. And can any of us really know what we would have done if saddled with such a completely unsuitable spouse? I hate every bit of how the whole thing worked out but I just don't have it in me to canonize Diana and blame everything on the demon Charles.

I get that. I do. Diana had her faults and responsibility in all of it. I just ultimately assign more responsibility to the 32 year old man (at time of marriage) than I do to a teenage girl.

I mean, we hear all the time here on the DIS about how the brain isn't fully formed until, what, 25?

 

[snappy]

There are some posts here that I would consider "incessant". Probably not the same ones you do though.

This. It is all in the eye of the beholder.

 

[Disneylover99]

I’ve always thought it was... I don’t know, odd? Surprising?... that so many people saw Diana as the sweetheart and Charles and Camilla as the villains. Obviously their general personalities and likeability, or lack thereof, influenced people’s opinions of the situation more so than the nitty gritty facts. Because, think about it, the Charles and Camilla story sounds like a classic tale of true love. A young prince, pressured by an evil queen/monarchy, forced to marry to provide heirs for the royal line. He’s not allowed to marry the woman he loves and instead a young and beautiful girl is chosen for him, for whom he feels no affection. Yada, yada, things fall apart and he and his true love are finally able to be together. Seriously, it sounds like a typical fairy tale story. But, you know, people connected better with Diana so she was cast as the hero of the story and Charles and Camilla were vilified. It’s funny how completely different a story can be told if viewed from a different perspective.

Because we didn’t start learning about their backstories until the early 90’s when Charles and Di’s marriage completely fell apart. Up until then, Charles just came across as a cold, disinterested husband.

I think everyone was Team Diana back in the 80’s. Then when everything emerged, we felt sorry for Diana for being stuck in a loveless marriage.

Once everything was out in the open, and they divorced, I was thrilled when Charles and Camilla could be together once more, finally knowing the truth, that he loved her all along.

 

[mom2rtk]

Because we didn’t start learning about their backstories until the early 90’s when Charles and Di’s marriage completely fell apart. Up until then, Charles just came across as a cold, disinterested husband.

I think everyone was Team Diana back in the 80’s. Then when everything emerged, we felt sorry for Diana for being stuck in a loveless marriage.

Yes. It was very different to follow all of it in real time.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

Yes. It was very different to follow all of it in real time.

There wasn’t social media like there is today. You picked up a magazine or watched a news segment once in a while.