Inappropriate topic 420?

[GeologyRocks]

You couldn't be more wrong. Spend some time in any dope house (you pick the drug), sober, and you'll change your tune.

Did you even read what I was responding to, or did you just jump in? I included the quote for a reason. I even described some of the nasty effects of drug abuse.

The poster I replied to had described "the family of victims caught in the crossfire and killed in drug disputes or the people scared to leave there homes in there own neighborhoods because of the drug deals on the corners and the fear of getting shot." I merely stated that those particular consequences are results of the war on drugs, not the drugs themselves.

If you take the emotion out of it, (and read for content instead of froth) perhaps you'll realize that using lots and lots of money to eradicate drug use only serves to increase the risk of participating in drug culture - and profiteers are happy to step in and charge for those risks. The prices go up to compensate for those risks, and we fund ever-larger and better armed drug cartels. It's a negative feedback cycle that your attraction to propaganda adds to. Instead of increasing the risks, start putting that money into education and treatment. I can't believe we continue to ignore our history with prohibition.

I'll repeat, though, (since I've gotten pretty far off topic) that using drugs at Disney World is downright irresponsible.

EDIT because the below devils advocate makes a good point: I think it's inappropriate for a person to allow anyone not in their group KNOW they are using illegal drugs. It is a FAMILY park, and it's irresponsible to make the choice for parents about when and how to discuss (responsible?) illegal drug use (or lack thereof.)

 

[goofydad621]

and I apologize for that. I was just wondering if other people have smelled it there also.

Now for MOHO

First I have to say that I have been clean and sober for almost 20 years. And for the record pot was not an issue for me but the booze was, and I had to give up everything in order not to end up drinking again. Coming of age in the 70's seems like thing were different then and they were.

My only objection is that the pot smokers should go to where others would not be bothered by it. I mean firing up ona attraction is un-cool...
Weather it be a fire hazard, asthma( I had a friend back in the old days that being around pot smoke would put him on his inhaler real quick) or just an uncomfortable situation. We chose to tell our DD what it was and anwser her questions.

Just remember it is illegal good or bad and it is hard to explain to some people (kids in particular) why it is ok to break some laws and not others. If you must smoke to enjoy or enhance your vacation then keep it private please, just as I would ask not to see anybody sloppy drunk or reeking of alcohol sitting next to me.

Sorry I didn't mean to get preachy

Putting on my asbesto's underwear now getting ready for any replies

 

[soupy11]

This is one interesting debate. Very civilized as well, kudos to all.

Just to add a devil's advocate spin to this.....

Is it irresponsible to enjoy alcohol at Walt Disney World if it is in moderation?

Then what is it that makes a casual use of pot irresponsible? The law? The smell? It is a fact that alcohol is many times more damaging than pot could ever dream to be. Yet we as a society feel that it is ok to use alcohol (which, lets face it is, a manufactured poison) over a naturally grown herb that has been used by man since the earliest days?

What an odd thing the law is.

Anyways, I still say it takes a real nerve to light up in a public *FAMILY* park like that guy we saw at Typhoon Lagoon. Although, by Walt, wasn't I tempted to try Soarin' under the effects of our little friendly herb, cannabis. What a ride that would be!

[Devils advocacy off]

I am, like a lot of the other posters, against any type of intoxication in Disney World. I just don't think that it is the place for it. Sure it's nice to have a beer but to take the risk of a little kid seeing some boorish, foul mouthed, belligerent drunk guy puking all over Norway isn't computing for me.

 

[disneynewbee]

Right. And monkeys might fly out of my butt......

 

[pepperw23]

I never have. I guess what I have a hard time understanding is why someone would want to cloud thier minds while at Disney? Heck, I want to be bright eyed and bushey tailed when I go. woo hoo!!

I have never been "high" but I have seen my SIL when she was "high" She just seemed sleepy to me. (Before you bash, she had terminal cancer, never smoked it around people etc. Sadly, the cancer eventually took her life)

After watching my brothers wife die of cancer and the pain involved, I find it very hard to judge anyone that is smoking it for those reasons. It did seem to help her with the pain.

 

[wkrider]

My DW and I have been going to WDW at least twice a year for the last 6 years. We have never noticed it before. I am in law enforcement and am extremely sensitive to the odor and have not smelled it before. If I did though I would report it right away.

 

[Boncho]

Right. And monkeys might fly out of my butt......

My sentiments exactly!!

 

[disneynewbee]

What will our world be like in 20-30 years if we teach our kids that they don't have to follow or respect the law if they don't agree with it? There has to be some kind of public order. Right now pot is illegal. Should it be? That is a matter of personal opinion. I say probably not since it is no worse than alcohol which is legal but right now it is so the law should be followed. If you want to break it do it in the privacy of your own home at least since the children of the world should not be learning that adults think it is ok to break the law. I know there was the argument that helping slaves was illegal and yes that was the law and it was wrong and people worked to change it but this is not exactly the same thing. You can't really compare smoking pot and freeing slaves so I'm not sure how that arguement even came about.

 

[puddleduck]

We've been going as a family since the early '80s and have always smelled it.It's not us,, so someone has. I don't have a problem with it. People are going to do it so why get my drawers in a knot? All those times I did smell it,I never told anyone in charge. Why rain on someone's parade? And before I get flamed have any of you had a little too much to drink and drove anyway? I'm not here to judge anybody and I don't think it's right for anyone else to either. It's not like they have a knife or a gun. They're not shooting up.

No, I have never had too much to drink and drove anyway. And, if some idiot who did hit my car with kids in it they had better hope the cops got there before I got to them. I don't believe in judging, but drinking and driving is putting other people's lives in your hands and it disgusts me that anyone is that arrogant.

 

[puddleduck]

"Drugs are not a victimless crime ask the family of victims caught in the crossfire and killed in drug disputes or the people scared to leave there homes in there own neighborhoods because of the drug deals on the corners and the fear of getting shot."
-DisneyNewBee

Something that should be noted here: all of the consequences you described are consequences not of drug use, but of a war on drugs that only serves to make the cultivation, transport, and sale of drugs a riskier, more profitable business.

True victims of drug use would include overdoses, relatives of serious drug abusers (notice the terminology: abuse vs. use,) and innocents injured by people who exercise the same type of bad judgement as drunk drivers.

What about the grandmother who has a grandchild who steals from them in order to pay for the drugs? What about the teen who is gets hooked on drugs by an older "friend" who is already hooked. What about the homeowners who are robbed so that some drug user can pay for their next high. What about all the young girls who are hooked on drugs and then prostituted out so that some scumbag can get more drugs? Yes, I can see where drug use only hurt themselves.

 

[BeckWhy]

Just remember it is illegal good or bad and it is hard to explain to some people (kids in particular) why it is ok to break some laws and not others.

I think the idea is... if they aren't going to inforce the law/rule... then it shouldn't exsist. It's like here in NYS it's illegal to talk on your cell phone while you are driving. Cops pass people on their cell phones all the time and never pull anyone over. Or better yet, the cops are talking ton the cell phones (I know they don't have to abide by the rules, but they can at least set an example).

The idea is, if there is a law/rule whether it be smoking/possession of pot is illegal or having more than X amount of pictures in your sig, it should be inforced. If you aren't going to inforce it, then remove it.

 

[BeckWhy]

Is it irresponsible to enjoy alcohol at Walt Disney World if it is in moderation?

Here is a iffy subject for me. I think if you drink moderately you are ok; its the drunks that can cause problems. BUT I don't think parents should drink infront of kids while they are out. I know this is probably gonna get slammed, but it is something I feel (oh and I have a lot of feelings when it comes to parenting).

 

[GeologyRocks]

What about the grandmother who has a grandchild who steals from them in order to pay for the drugs? What about the teen who is gets hooked on drugs by an older "friend" who is already hooked. What about the homeowners who are robbed so that some drug user can pay for their next high. What about all the young girls who are hooked on drugs and then prostituted out so that some scumbag can get more drugs? Yes, I can see where drug use only hurt themselves.

Those ARE instances where drug abuse is harmful - as I stated, family members are often the first victims. It's sad, and unneccesary. I never said that drug abuse hurts only the user - because it's not true. Unfortunately, some people are

All I believe is that the money we pour into drug control would be better spent providing education and treatment. It's OBVIOUS that cracking down isn't working. It didn't work before, and it's not working now.

If drug prices didn't have to incorporate payment for large risks, they wouldn't be so expensive that you get people willing to steal from grandchildren to pay for their next fix. If we provided treatment instead of jacking up drug prices, maybe Grandma wouldn't be using drugs at all. Maybe if we spent less time on propaganda, and more on education, she wouldn't have ever tried a drug she couldn't quit. Maybe if the drug education we use in our schools wasn't full of half-truths, kids would be more likely to listen to the very real dangers that some drugs present. Maybe parents need to do more parenting.<--- not aimed at anyone on this board, that's just a general complaint

 

[HorizonsFan]

what is falujah?

This worries me a lot more than people smoking pot at WDW...

 

[puddleduck]

Those ARE instances where drug abuse is harmful - as I stated, family members are often the first victims. It's sad, and unneccesary. I never said that drug abuse hurts only the user - because it's not true. Unfortunately, some people are

All I believe is that the money we pour into drug control would be better spent providing education and treatment. It's OBVIOUS that cracking down isn't working. It didn't work before, and it's not working now.

If drug prices didn't have to incorporate payment for large risks, they wouldn't be so expensive that you get people willing to steal from grandchildren to pay for their next fix. If we provided treatment instead of jacking up drug prices, maybe Grandma wouldn't be using drugs at all. Maybe if we spent less time on propaganda, and more on education, she wouldn't have ever tried a drug she couldn't quit. Maybe if the drug education we use in our schools wasn't full of half-truths, kids would be more likely to listen to the very real dangers that some drugs present. Maybe parents need to do more parenting.<--- not aimed at anyone on this board, that's just a general complaint

I agree with you there.

 

[tiggergirlinMI]

I laughed when I read the OP writing that they didn't think their thread would start a big debate....
DIS board members will get down and dirty fighting over the rights and wrongs of free mug refills and pool hopping, I'm proud that no mudslinging has gone on as of yet.
As for the original question, we have smelled it on 2 occasions, outside the Haunted Mansion and another time walking aroung World Showcase in EPCOT.

 

[BeckWhy]

This worries me a lot more than people smoking pot at WDW...

Why does me asking what it is worry you more than people smoking pot?

Edit:
Ok my friend Josh told me and he didn't even really know. Again why should I know where this place is? I'm not there. I will never go there. You're worried about me not knowing about this place (and no I do not support the war) but like 16% of the US is illiterate (and I'm not talking all the immigrants) and like 75% of the kids in school today can't name all the capitals of all the US states.

 

[BeckWhy]

All I believe is that the money we pour into drug control would be better spent providing education and treatment. It's OBVIOUS that cracking down isn't working. It didn't work before, and it's not working now.

I don't know if providing education works... I was never told anything about any drugs and my entire time in high school I was around all them crazy drugs (heroin, coke, PCP, Angel Dust, Special K, ex, acid, etc) and I never did any of them and I still won't.

I haven't decided on what would work for it. But from my pen pals in France, they don't have a drug problem (or teen pregnancy problems) like we do here.

 

[pandora174]

That being said, there are certain things that have no business being done in the presence of children, and smoking pot is absolutly one of them. So fundamentally, we're probably in agreement about the pot smoking, but for different reasons.

But what people do in the privacy of their rooms is none of my business so long as it doesn't have a negative impact on me or other guests.

I agree what people do in the privacy of their rooms as long as it doesn't effect me is none of my business. JMHO

 

[Peepster]

I apologize in advance if my remarks are too far off topic.

I haven't been on the boards lately and am at work today. I happened to see the topic posted and thought I would share my experience. First of all I'm of "grandmotherly" age and don't think my opinons of pot smoking are relevant beyond the fact that it is still illegal. Two years ago my friend and I got off a bus at Wilderness Lodge and began to head for the Villas when we bumped into a man openly smoking a joint. (Yes, we are certain...The 60's did, for better or worse, teach us a few things). A few more steps down the path was a Disney Security Guard. We had a concern because there were so many children in the area and beyond the legality issue, children shouldn't be exposed to smoke in a non-smoking area. When we mentioned to the Guard that someone was openly smoking pot the response was incredulous laughter followed by a very loud "Smoking Pot? Here? At Disney?" We sheepishly went back to our villa. Since that time we've noticed it more frequently, but will never comment on it again.

Again, I don't know how this fits into the topic right now, but have to acknowledge that the OP's original post was a question I've longed to ask over the years.