Inappropriate topic 420?

[whitneyv]

in MOHO -

1. choosing to smoke marijuana is illegal but not immoral
2. choosing to smoke marijuana at WDW is stupid
3. As a whole, I would much rather have my children around people who are "stoned" than drunk. My experience has shown me that many many people get out of control, loud, rowdy, irresponsible, belligerent, etc. while drunk but I have yet to see a stoner this way. Smokers are usually laid back people - they many laugh a little more than normal but would never act out the way overly intoxicated people do.
4. In my lifetime, I expect that marijuana will be legalized, taxed, and sold just like alcohol... with restrictions of course. Maybe 20 years from now they will have designated pot smoking pods at WDW... that way the smokers can get high on marijuana or just satisfy their nicotine craving and no children will be exposed...

It could work! Would that make everyone happy?

 

[Goobergal99]

in MOHO -

1. choosing to smoke marijuana is illegal but not immoral
2. choosing to smoke marijuana at WDW is stupid
3. As a whole, I would much rather have my children around people who are "stoned" than drunk. My experience has shown me that many many people get out of control, loud, rowdy, irresponsible, belligerent, etc. while drunk but I have yet to see a stoner this way. Smokers are usually laid back people - they many laugh a little more than normal but would never act out the way overly intoxicated people do.
4. In my lifetime, I expect that marijuana will be legalized, taxed, and sold just like alcohol... with restrictions of course. Maybe 20 years from now they will have designated pot smoking pods at WDW... that way the smokers can get high on marijuana or just satisfy their nicotine craving and no children will be exposed...

It could work! Would that make everyone happy?

I agree with this, we all know the only reason marijuana is not legal as of yet is b/c the government has not sat down and discussed a rational way to tax it. Believe me, they are not interested in the health of the nation or IMO, there wouldn't be a fast food resturaunt on every other corner

 

[DrTomorrow]

Very thoughtful. But your hypotheticals have nothing to do with slavery. By definition, you cannot SELL yourself into slavery.

As far as your first 2 examples, you are referring to a bargained-for-exchange. Both sides are giving something: The employer paying value and the employee providing services. Not sure what's wrong with that.

Marriage is also a give-and-take. Again, irrelevant for the question of right/wrong.

You may have a valid argument somewhere, but these examples are off target.

Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner! An error so, um, erroneous that even I see it!

Regarding the bolded words above, dear, dear slug:

slave ( P ) Pronunciation Key (slv)
n.
One bound in servitude as the property of a person or household.

slav·er·y ( P ) Pronunciation Key (slv-r, slvr)
n. pl. slav·er·ies
1. The state of one bound in servitude as the property of a slaveholder or household.

There is nothing in the definition of slave or slavery that requires it to be against one's will.

But this is off-topic, and it's much more fun to debate with bicker when I find us on opposite sides - he always makes sure he knows his terms and definitions before he posts!

IMHO - YMMV - Be well!

 

[Yookeroo]

in MOHO -

1. choosing to smoke marijuana is illegal but not immoral
2. choosing to smoke marijuana at WDW is stupid
3. As a whole, I would much rather have my children around people who are "stoned" than drunk. My experience has shown me that many many people get out of control, loud, rowdy, irresponsible, belligerent, etc. while drunk but I have yet to see a stoner this way. Smokers are usually laid back people - they many laugh a little more than normal but would never act out the way overly intoxicated people do.
4. In my lifetime, I expect that marijuana will be legalized, taxed, and sold just like alcohol... with restrictions of course. Maybe 20 years from now they will have designated pot smoking pods at WDW... that way the smokers can get high on marijuana or just satisfy their nicotine craving and no children will be exposed...

It could work! Would that make everyone happy?

I'm with you. All very rational. The potheads will be far less of a problem than drunks at the parks. There's no real rational reason it's illegal.

 

[goofydad621]

I really just wanted to see if anybody else notices people burning in the parks not the whole moral debate of it.

Smoking pods for weed......... What a marketing tool Popcorn, Turkey legs and Dole whip stands right outside.

Hate the thought of those Spectromen in that condition though

 

[rejobako]

Smokers are usually laid back people

Except when you try to get between them and a bag of cheetoes.

 

[GeologyRocks]

I really just wanted to see if anybody else notices people burning in the parks not the whole moral debate of it.

Smoking pods for weed......... What a marketing tool Popcorn, Turkey legs and Dole whip stands right outside.

Hate the thought of those Spectromen in that condition though

Sadly (heh) we won't ever see pods, because if that's not an attractive nuisance, nothing is.

I'm also glad to see the attacks stop - I was actually enjoying a civil debate, however unintended. I agree with the recent posters who feel that it really makes more sense to just legalize and tax it - I've never had a confrontation with or had a stoned friend do anything NEARLY as stupid as the things I've seen drunks do. It makes very little sense to have legalized alcohol, cigarettes, and dole whips and send people to jail for marijuana. Someone wise (don't remember who) said that they always thought that it was the government's job to protect him from other people, but that it ought to be his job to protect him from himself.

 

[Goobergal99]

Sadly (heh) we won't ever see pods, because if that's not an attractive nuisance, nothing is.

I'm also glad to see the attacks stop - I was actually enjoying a civil debate, however unintended. I agree with the recent posters who feel that it really makes more sense to just legalize and tax it - I've never had a confrontation with or had a stoned friend do anything NEARLY as stupid as the things I've seen drunks do. It makes very little sense to have legalized alcohol, cigarettes, and dole whips and send people to jail for marijuana. Someone wise (don't remember who) said that they always thought that it was the government's job to protect him from other people, but that it ought to be his job to protect him from himself.

You know what I agree here, I would much rather be around someone who is happily high then sloppy drunk.

 

[Boncho]

Except when you try to get between them and a bag of cheetoes.

 

[MyZoeJane]

I agree with this, we all know the only reason marijuana is not legal as of yet is b/c the government has not sat down and discussed a rational way to tax it. Believe me, they are not interested in the health of the nation or IMO, there wouldn't be a fast food resturaunt on every other corner

I couldn't agree more, Goobergal! I think it's more criminal to let Americans get fat and die of heart disease! Someone ought to go down for marketing McDonald's to children.

Let a grown adult choose to smoke pot, just as they might choose to drink a beer. Gee, HOW much space would that free up in our overcrowded prison system??? Space that would be better suited for, say, rapists and child molesters? Or even <gasp!> tax evaders?

 

[Goobergal99]

I couldn't agree more, Goobergal! I think it's more criminal to let Americans get fat and die of heart disease! Someone ought to go down for marketing McDonald's to children.

Let a grown adult choose to smoke pot, just as they might choose to drink a beer. Gee, HOW much space would that free up in our overcrowded prison system??? Space that would be better suited for, say, rapists and child molesters? Or even <gasp!> tax evaders?

EXACTLY!

 

[BeckWhy]

I apologize as well.
I didn't mean to hijack the thread. I guess the teacher in me just wants to make kids think. Sometimes I pick the wrong time and place to do that...

I wish more teachers out there were like you! The school system in this area is horrible (of course they are doing a thing right now where they will hire a teacher and not give them tenure and keep doing that over and over). HAHA! But I might add... I'm not a child; I'm almost a 1/4 century year old!

 

[HorizonsFan]

I wish more teachers out there were like you! The school system in this area is horrible (of course they are doing a thing right now where they will hire a teacher and not give them tenure and keep doing that over and over). HAHA! But I might add... I\'m not a child; I\'m almost a 1/4 century year old!

LOL. I guess I\'m old. Anybody under 30 is a \"kid\" to me...

 

[whitneyv]

About those smoking pods.... do you think they would need to offer fast passes for them? The lines could be horrendous!

 

[TCPluto]

What about the grandmother who has a grandchild who steals from them in order to pay for the drugs? What about the teen who is gets hooked on drugs by an older "friend" who is already hooked. What about the homeowners who are robbed so that some drug user can pay for their next high. What about all the young girls who are hooked on drugs and then prostituted out so that some scumbag can get more drugs? Yes, I can see where drug use only hurt themselves.

If you were to believe Geologyrocks, all this would go away if the drugs were legalized. Because they would no longer be illicit, there would be no negative impact on society. The only way his theory would work is if we then spent the enforcement and substance abuse money (currently spent) on buying more drugs for those addicted to them.

And that day, my friends, is when the monkeys will fly!!

 

[TCPluto]

All I believe is that the money we pour into drug control would be better spent providing education and treatment. It's OBVIOUS that cracking down isn't working. It didn't work before, and it's not working now.

If drug prices didn't have to incorporate payment for large risks, they wouldn't be so expensive that you get people willing to steal from grandchildren to pay for their next fix.

Unless you are able to accurately project (and you can't) what the abuse climate would be without any of todays enforcement, you have nothing concrete to say that it isn't working. For a huge number of people, simply being illegal is enough of a reason to not get involved with drugs.

The second statement I quoted appears drug induced to me, it makes no sense.

 

[GeologyRocks]

Unless you are able to accurately project (and you can't) what the abuse climate would be without any of todays enforcement, you have nothing concrete to say that it isn't working. For a huge number of people, simply being illegal is enough of a reason to not get involved with drugs.

The second statement I quoted appears drug induced to me, it makes no sense.

Out of curiosity, do you understand the law of supply and demand? It's that idea that as supply goes down, price goes up. When dealing with illegal substances, the people who are willing to step in and take that profit (a la Al Capone) are pretty nefarious and THEY are the reason you have turf wars, drug mules, and all the effects that I originally refuted.

All I've ever said is that if you look at the effects many people attribute to drugs, there are MANY that are actually effects of the prohibition-style enforcement of drug laws. I've never denied that drug abuse can be damaging to both the user and people around them. I just think that it's idiotic to ignore history and plug on and on with a flawed system, and I thinkit's important to differentiate the victims of drugs from the victims of the drug war.

If you were to believe Geologyrocks, all this would go away if the drugs were legalized. Because they would no longer be illicit, there would be no negative impact on society. The only way his theory would work is if we then spent the enforcement and substance abuse money (currently spent) on buying more drugs for those addicted to them.

And that day, my friends, is when the monkeys will fly!!

I also don't appreciate you putting words into my mouth, particularly not when you're obviously biased, uninformed, and rude. I never even advocated the legalization of all drugs. You've invented that as well as the rest of that statement.

I've been nothing but logical and have been peaceful about this whole topic. Just because you don't understand something or don't agree doesn't entitle you to be a jerk.

Oh - I'm a woman =)

 

[TCPluto]

.... you're obviously biased, uninformed, and rude.

25 years in law enforcement, 14 years undercover on narcotics teams gives me a unique perspective I think. I wouldn't call it uniformed.

Yes, I probably am a bit biased. Having observed the damage to lives, good people, wrecked by every form of controlled substance (including your favorite, marijuana) has led me to this position. And these are lives lost by use of the drug, nothing more.

Having the substances legal and readily accessible to more people and in greater quantities will only serve to increase the burden on society.

 

[GeologyRocks]

25 years in law enforcement, 14 years undercover on narcotics teams gives me a unique perspective I think. I wouldn't call it uniformed.

Yes, I probably am a bit biased. Having observed the damage to lives, good people, wrecked by every form of controlled substance (including your favorite, marijuana) has led me to this position. And these are lives lost by use of the drug, nothing more.

Having the substances legal and readily accessible to more people and in greater quantities will only serve to increase the burden on society.

How do you feel about the legality of alcohol and tobacco? I have great respect for your opinion that drugs should remain illegal - I actually wouldn't campaign for legalization of any drug. I think it's silly to think that marijuana is any worse than alcohol - but after that many years in law enforcement, I'm sure you know just how bad alcohol-related incidents can get. I just think the current enforcement policies have shown themselves to be marginally effective at best, and have allowed, once again, for an underculture of violence to add to the already destructive nature of many drugs.

 

[shasess]

Come now, you can't really think that black and white, can you? Laws would never be overturned, we'd be at the mercy of a small group of decision makers. Works in a totalitarian society, but here? Clearly, you must believe that some illegal activities are improperly so. And, in that case, actually appropriate - just not legal at the moment. Prohibition is the first to come to mind.

ITA!