If Florida repeals "The Reedy Creek Improvement Charter", how does that change Disney going forward?

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The nuclear family has been the fundamental unit of societal organization for hundreds of millennia and political schemes throughout recorded history that impinge on the family have invariably ended in chaos.
As a person with a Master's degree in history, this is very untrue. The nuclear family is a very modern (like 20th century) western idea.

Also, hundreds of millennia is longer than **** sapiens has even been around...
 
As a person with a Master's degree in history, this is very untrue. The nuclear family is a very modern (like 20th century) western idea.

Also, hundreds of millennia is longer than **** sapiens has even been around...
Hominidae branched from Pan about 4 million years ago. The idea of the political State superseding the family is a late 19th early 20th century development.
 

This is very conspiratorial and I won't engage in it further.
It's not a conspiracy. A lot of these changes are things they have always wanted to do. Covid let them do it faster then planned. I know many of you hope that if Chapek leaves that Disney goes back to being Disney. It's not happening, these changes are here to stay. It's not just Chapek but the board has to go along with it
 
They have everyone fooled. This isn’t Chapek at all…almost none of the bad decisions have been. I know many people love him for some reason but this is all Iger. Chapek is straight up the scapegoat for everything.

Corporations and our government knew Covid was coming and they knew the impact it would have…they aren’t THAT dumb. Disney probably either had this contingency plan or created it in the month leading up to Iger stepping down on purpose and replacing with someone that they would never have wanted as CEO. Iger saw the iceberg coming and threw Chapek in the captains chair and jumped into a life raft. Iger is the one that set so much of this in motion. He had/still might have political aspirations and he started using corporate Disney as such. Everyone thinks all this was concocted overnight? Chapek has full control and is the reason everything is happening? He’s a figurehead at best. Chapek is there to take all the slings and arrows and he knows it. This was the plan all along. Chapek would never have been CEO otherwise. And don’t feel bad for Chapek he’s going to be handsomely compensated for this. When the dust settles…if it settles…the real CEO will be installed and whatever was done under Chapek will remain and the new brass will never have to be blamed for it.
I don’t like Chapek but do believe he is the fall guy. He didn’t get us here all on his own.
 
Hominidae branched from Pan about 4 million years ago. The idea of the political State superseding the family is a late 19th early 20th century development.
You may have a Masters in History but I assure you the family was present long before the 20th century and as an example was present throughout Roman History and very strong rights with respect to children then versus the State then is the case now. The family has been the fundamental unit for caring for children throughout recorded history.
 
I'm surprised this thread has been allowed to continue surviving.

Maybe they figure it's been staying cordial enough compared to the other ones and it might be best to have at least one place to keep letting people get this stuff out of their systems?
The bill is about Parental Rights. it’s veered off course a bit but they are beating the rug and the dirt is flying. It’s a bit more complex than it being portrayed.
 
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The nuclear family is relatively new because before that structure, the extended family setup was the main organization of families. The main point is that the family unit was the most integral in society.
 
You may have a Masters in History but I assure you the family was present long before the 20th century and as an example was present throughout Roman History and very strong rights with respect to children then versus the State then is the case now. The family has been the fundamental unit for caring for children throughout recorded history.
Jeez the first State sponsored mandatory schooling didn't start in England until 1833. Prior to that education was solely the responsibility of the family.
 
You may have a Masters in History but I assure you the family was present long before the 20th century and as an example was present throughout Roman History and very strong rights with respect to children then versus the State then is the case now. The family has been the fundamental unit for caring for children throughout recorded history.

Okay, but your post said nuclear family, not family.
 
The nuclear family is relatively new because before that structure, the extended family setup was the main organization of families. The main point is that the family unit was the most integral in society.
And this topic could be a whole other thread. It is an important discussion and why we are in our current state. IMO
 
Would any mention or depiction of a relationship be considered inappropriate then? I am not disagreeing with you, however, I do believe sexual orientation can be brought up in an age-appropriate way that does not allude to sexual activities. Certainly, heterosexual relationships have been introduced to those ages for many years without much (if at all) pushback. The depiction of "mother" or "father" as well as "husband" or "wife" would also allude to sexual orientation, no?

I see both sides of the issue. I think gender identity - whether a child sees themselves as female or male - should be a discussion left to parents. The bill as I understand it was not even intended to prevent a child from discussing this topic directly with teachers - it was intended to prevent it from being part of the planned curriculum. If that is indeed the intent of the bill, then I agree with it. If it's not written that way (which I understand it's not), then I understand why people are upset.

In either case, IT'S NONE OF DISNEY'S BUSINESS. Disney is not running a school system. There is not a RC school district that is impacted by this. The law does not impact what Disney may or may not do inside their parks or their resorts, or even their cruise ships. The law does not impact what kinds of movies Disney may choose to create or stories they tell. The law does not dictate what actors they can hire, or how much they must pay them. This is a politically charged issue - no matter which side you take you are going to piss off 50% of your base (or in the case of Chapek - somehow you managed to anger BOTH sides without making anyone happy.... that's a unique skills that I am not sure most of us possess). Quite frankly - Disney as a corporate entity should stay out of it.

As a school nurse, it's a part of my job to discuss it with grade 5-6 student (puberty and body changes) I guess things are different in Canada ;)

AS I UNDERSTAND THE INTENT (and I am not a lawyer), this is not prevented by the law. It was intended to prevent PLANNED CURRICULUM. Not ad hoc discussion with a school nurse. It is not only valid for a nurse to be able to have these discussions, but critical for the safety of the child in some rare cases.

Let's think about it: Will Disney ever be able to go back to being neutral in societal issues? Will they double down? And if they do there's only one thing that happens, whether you support their outspokenness or are against it, the company will very likely alienate many current and future customers. I hate to break it to everyone that thinks the country is filled with mostly people who think as they do but it's very much closer to 50/50 +/- maybe 5-8%? (The numbers are just my guess but it's not that far off) As a shareholder I am very disappointed that they are becoming a political entity. I've mentioned if they wanted to be more inclusive of course that's good and their prerogative but to act like a teen on Twitter is such a bad look for the company in my opinion. There's a difference between caring and believing in your values, and making a spectacle of it. Unless Disney has a particular end game in sight and this is all part of the plan, but right now I don't see what that necessarily could be.

100% this. Chapek made a HUGE mistake. There is no way out of this one. NO WAY. He angered both sides (which is impressive). But no matter what he says now, he's going to only make it worse. If he tries to appease the conservative half of the country and make some retraction, he will anger the liberal half. If he tried to double down on the liberal half, he's going to face some serious push back from the conservative half. If he stays quiet, he's going to keep them both angry. He has put himself into a no-win situation. This is why a business should not be involved in politics. There is NO RIGHT ANSWER. Anything you do is going to be bad. He's somehow managed to make it the worst case scenario.

What Disney does in the parks - if they support one group or another or tell one kind of a story or another - that's fine. They can do that, and for the most part they can get away with it and any pushback will generally blow over. But this is bad business for the company and there is absolutely no way that this turns into a win for the company. As a shareholder, I am freaked out. As a Disney fan, I am disappointed.

Disney for me was an innocent blend of nostalgia for the past and an optimistic view of what technology will provide for the future. My view is that along with most everything else in society these features that I enjoyed have been subjugated to politics.

This is a critical issue IMHO. Disney has always been a "bubble" which as a destination people go to to FORGET ABOUT THE OUTSIDE WORLD. I.E. when you are in Disney, all that bad stuff in the world in general is to go away. Disney involving itself and bringing politics into the parks is BAD, BAD, BAD. They are bursting the bubble in several ways - and no good comes of that. Disney should be a safe place where you go to not deal with these things.

So I guess Encanto was a serious No No for you and your children with its (Disney's) attacks on family? Or is it Turning Red that will destroy the nuclear family... What other Disney 'content' has come out recently that will change the nuclear family as we know it...

I don't see that this makes any difference. What stories Disney chooses to tell are up to the company. That is a choice the company can AND SHOULD make. If Disney wants to change the world, doing so by telling stories is THE RIGHT WAY for them to do it. I have zero issues with them choosing to tell a story. It's then the parents choice to decide IF they want their child to see that story. That is what being a parent is.

Laws that do not affect Disney's business are not the companies purgative. Part of Disney is a news organization, and so that branch of the company is obligated to report on the news including such laws. Opinionated articles from commentators and content creators are the correct venue for Disney to take a stance on such laws. Free speech even enables them to talk about if they choose. If Bob wants to sit on an interview and express his personal opinion that he doesn't like the law, that's his business and he can do that.

But targeting company resources against a law that doesn't affect the company in courts and papers and official releases is bad business. They can involve themselves indirectly by choosing to make content that challenges the law through story telling. They have some very imaginative people working there. Make a movie that shows why the law is wrong. Let parents then decide if they want their children to see that movie. That is the proper response.

But Disney is not an elected entity and has no business in politics.
 
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Okay, but your post said nuclear family, not family.
This could devolve further and we would have to define nuclear family and family in detail before proceeding with any hope for common understanding. The families throughout recorded European history did however have a marked patriarchal structure.
 
As for the topic at hand, I HIGHLY DOUBT there is any serious consideration to repealing RC. That's just saber-rattling to try to get Disney's attention and show the Florida can fight back.
 
The bill is about Parental Rights. it’s veered off course a bit but they are beating the rug and the dirt is flying. It’s a bit more complex than it being portrayed.
I'm amazed this is even a debate. It's hard for me to believe any parent would want their 5-year-old sexualized. So glad I homeschooled I feel validated.
 
There was a time I could put on a specific and appropriate show on for the kiddos to watch. Now Disney through their short stories, commercials (whatever) promotes an agenda. I don’t feel my child needs to be Influenced about these subjects at such a young age. We are trying to raise critical thinkers who reach their own conclusions not programmed robots. Just my thoughts
 
I love all these "small government" people applauding the idea of weaponizing the courts in order to promote their small minded and limited agendas. Be careful what you ask for, because its going to come back to hit you all so hard and I am there for it. I can't wait until some of you get sued when people actually apply the law the way it is written. The only one benefiting from all this is the lawyers that will be suing school districts. But I understand that is actually the point, to dismantle the public school system so you can indoctrinate your kids with what you feel are appropriate values. It's funny to me, because you have all forgot what kids and teens are like. The more you tell them NOT to learn about the stuff you think is bad, the more appealing it is.

I also love that the same people crying "cAnCeL cULtuRe" are ready to cancel any company that wants to be inclusive of any views that aren't their own.

This is all grandstanding by the way. Florida ain't gonna bite the hand that feeds them.
 
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