If Florida repeals "The Reedy Creek Improvement Charter", how does that change Disney going forward?

[Nabas]

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[iwannabdduck]

The bill isn't really about sex being taught to young children. Sex Ed isn't part of the curriculum. It's about letting parents sue and recoup attorneys fees whenever they find what their children are taught questionable.

I don't know how any one who takes the time to download and actually reads Florida HB 1557 could come to any other conclusion than the previous observation. The bill is 7 pages long, but the law's actual wording about sexual orientation and gender identity is limited to a single sentence. I'm sympathetic to parents concerns about schools teaching anything about sexual orientation, but frankly this new law has so many other old Florida school issues written all over it. The inclusion of sex ed stuff looks like an afterthought. I think Disney and the don't say gay crowd got played, and inadvertently diverted needed attention away from all the other onerous aspects of the bill. And now state politicians and federal congressmen from Florida are perpetuating the diversion by threatening Disney with the RC charter. If I worked as a teacher in Florida or a school administrator/board member, I'd look for a new job before the next school year. I feel sorry for them. And I am very glad I am not a Florida resident who has to support the school system with my taxes once this law's requirements kick in for school districts to pay of the cost of special magistrates or pay the suing parent's legal bills. While admittedly valid concerns, I worry that Disney's RC charter change and LBGQT debates without looking at the whole change this bill imposes, miss the boat.

 

[maya213]

Well…depends on WHO is discussing this with the kiddos. Otherwise, the conversation could be quite creepy and inappropriate.

As a school nurse, it's a part of my job to discuss it with grade 5-6 student (puberty and body changes) I guess things are different in Canada

 

[TLSnell1981]

As a school nurse, it's a part of my job to discuss it with grade 5-6 student (puberty and body changes) I guess things are different in Canada

You are a nurse and as you stated…part of your job description. The children are also age appropriate for that particular discussion. It makes a difference. IMO

 

[TheDailyMoo]

Not that I think SNL is very funny the last few years but last night's cold open included a small segment about "woke" Disney and the heat they're getting. Now of course it was tongue in cheek meant to make fun of those against Disney however the important part is that it's becoming very apparent that this story and Disney's politics are starting to go mainstream...much bigger than just the hardcore fans. This isn't going away it's only becoming more widespread. Like I've said before, once the toothpaste is out of the tube there's no putting it back in.

Let's think about it: Will Disney ever be able to go back to being neutral in societal issues? Will they double down? And if they do there's only one thing that happens, whether you support their outspokenness or are against it, the company will very likely alienate many current and future customers. I hate to break it to everyone that thinks the country is filled with mostly people who think as they do but it's very much closer to 50/50 +/- maybe 5-8%? (The numbers are just my guess but it's not that far off) As a shareholder I am very disappointed that they are becoming a political entity. I've mentioned if they wanted to be more inclusive of course that's good and their prerogative but to act like a teen on Twitter is such a bad look for the company in my opinion. There's a difference between caring and believing in your values, and making a spectacle of it. Unless Disney has a particular end game in sight and this is all part of the plan, but right now I don't see what that necessarily could be.

 

[CampbellzSoup]

Getting rid of ladies and gentlemen boys and girls was something..,

 

[Duckbug.Ducktales]

Not that I think SNL is very funny the last few years but last night's cold open included a small segment about "woke" Disney and the heat they're getting. Now of course it was tongue in cheek meant to make fun of those against Disney however the important part is that it's becoming very apparent that this story and Disney's politics are starting to go mainstream...much bigger than just the hardcore fans. This isn't going away it's only becoming more widespread. Like I've said before, once the toothpaste is out of the tube there's no putting it back in.

Let's think about it: Will Disney ever be able to go back to being neutral in societal issues? Will they double down? And if they do there's only one thing that happens, whether you support their outspokenness or are against it, the company will very likely alienate many current and future customers. I hate to break it to everyone that thinks the country is filled with mostly people who think as they do but it's very much closer to 50/50 +/- maybe 5-8%? (The numbers are just my guess but it's not that far off) As a shareholder I am very disappointed that they are becoming a political entity. I've mentioned if they wanted to be more inclusive of course that's good and their prerogative but to act like a teen on Twitter is such a bad look for the company in my opinion. There's a difference between caring and believing in your values, and making a spectacle of it. Unless Disney has a particular end game in sight and this is all part of the plan, but right now I don't see what that necessarily could be.

Hopefully Chaepek wil be out next year, in part because of his mismanagement of this scandal (and previous ones, like the Johansson screw up), and a new CEO will have better sense and keep the company out of scandals.

 

[TLSnell1981]

Hopefully Chaepek wil be out next year, in part because of his mismanagement of this scandal (and previous ones, like the Johansson screw up), and a new CEO will have better sense and keep the company out of scandals.

I dunno. Some of the others seems to push their personal agendas. Big Bob seems to be okay with it too. I don't think this ends anytime soon.

 

[agavegirl1]

 

[agavegirl1]

Getting rid of ladies and gentlemen boys and girls was something..,

I will always remember the booming voice announcing the start of the fireworks. Sigh.

 

[agavegirl1]

Based on information presented here and some of my own research, I think that this action may be okay cost wise but logistically difficult and probably politically controversial. Disney is losing subscribers and customers. Meanwhile back at corporate, they have no problem with partnering with the CCP and slave labor in China. All I know is that we are renting a place in Kissimmee for November and Disney has kind of priced us out. We may just use the rental as a base to see other places in Florida. I do have over $1,000 in Disney points so we may do one day on a VIP tour. We are keeping our reservations at the end of October for Universal at Portofino.

 

[pahoben]

Disney for me was an innocent blend of nostalgia for the past and an optimistic view of what technology will provide for the future. My view is that along with most everything else in society these features that I enjoyed have been subjugated to politics. I bear no ill will for others in society but defend my right to educate my children as I see fit and part of that is their showing respect for others that have different beliefs. That respect is essential for a well functioning democracy.

The nuclear family has been the fundamental unit of societal organization for hundreds of millennia and political schemes throughout recorded history that impinge on the family have invariably ended in chaos. Disney now seems to believe (both in their content and their external political stances) that they know better than I how my children should be educated. Thanks Disney but I will take a pass. I don't accept that Iger knows best.

 

[Suger Mag]

Disney for me was an innocent blend of nostalgia for the past and an optimistic view of what technology will provide for the future. My view is that along with most everything else in society these features that I enjoyed have been subjugated to politics. I bear no ill will for others in society but defend my right to educate my children as I see fit and part of that is their showing respect for others that have different beliefs. That respect is essential for a well functioning democracy.

The nuclear family has been the fundamental unit of societal organization for hundreds of millennia and political schemes throughout recorded history that impinge on the family have invariably ended in chaos. Disney now seems to believe (both in their content and their external political stances) that they know better than I how my children should be educated. Thanks Disney but I will take a pass. I don't accept that Iger knows best.

So I guess Encanto was a serious No No for you and your children with its (Disney's) attacks on family? Or is it Turning Red that will destroy the nuclear family... What other Disney 'content' has come out recently that will change the nuclear family as we know it... Does it really threaten your traditional structured nuclear family that much if another family is different? a family you dont even know personally? Because reality is, we live in a world where the traditional structured US nuclear family of the 1930's is no longer... divorce, blended families, gay families... are all these people trying to make a family the best they can such a threat? And Disney wants to make programming that reflects the face of the world today. Reflects all of their consumers, their employees.... not just a subset.

Is this thread a belated April fools lol..... Disney bent on destroying or family, really? Folks never going back .... All because Disney opposed a badly crafted piece of legislation.

 

[pahoben]

So I guess Encanto was a serious No No for you and your children with its (Disney's) attacks on family? Or is it Turning Red that will destroy the nuclear family... What other Disney 'content' has come out recently that will change the nuclear family as we know it... Does it really threaten your traditional structured nuclear family that much if another family is different? a family you dont even know personally? Because reality is, we live in a world where the traditional structured US nuclear family of the 1930's is no longer... divorce, blended families, gay families... are all these people trying to make a family the best they can such a threat? And Disney wants to make programming that reflects the face of the world today. Reflects all of their consumers, their employees.... not just a subset.

Is this thread a belated April fools lol..... Disney bent on destroying or family, really? Folks never going back .... All because Disney opposed a badly crafted piece of legislation.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion and believe as you want.

 

[starlite_]

So I guess Encanto was a serious No No for you and your children with its (Disney's) attacks on family? Or is it Turning Red that will destroy the nuclear family... What other Disney 'content' has come out recently that will change the nuclear family as we know it... Does it really threaten your traditional structured nuclear family that much if another family is different? a family you dont even know personally? Because reality is, we live in a world where the traditional structured US nuclear family of the 1930's is no longer... divorce, blended families, gay families... are all these people trying to make a family the best they can such a threat? And Disney wants to make programming that reflects the face of the world today. Reflects all of their consumers, their employees.... not just a subset.

Is this thread a belated April fools lol..... Disney bent on destroying or family, really? Folks never going back .... All because Disney opposed a badly crafted piece of legislation.

I honestly feel pity for the type of folks you describe. They seem incredibly fragile. I guess for them it's better when the main character's parents are dead than Disney showing families can have issues and overcome those. They preach respect but clutch their pearls the moment an entertainment company shows a family dif than their ideal (aka a mirror).

Really all of them should just stay away from all things Disney if it's such a bother and disruption of the "nuclear family" in their heads. I'll personally won't miss them.

 

[BattyKoda]

I'm all for Disney doing whatever it takes... to reduce crowds.

And I'd much prefer that they do so by making a comment, or two, instead of raising prices. I'm selfish that way.

 

[DeeBee3]

I'm not sure why I keep checking this thread out, but maybe it's because people oversimplify big complex issues and I'm trying to share my little knowledge to prevent that. No one has come back to me with a factual basis for why Disney corporate is fine ignoring the Uyghurs, but we are all flying in a tizzy over here about FL's legislation. Literally no one has given me a solid counterpoint. When one poster did address it, they downplayed China's human rights abuses to somehow make a connection that life in the US is just as restrictive and abusive. I mean it's cognitive dissonance at its best.

If LGBT rights are critical to you, then you need to stop popping in when one thing gets played in the media. It should be a constant part of your life. If Disney wants to make this stand, good for them, but they have to look in the mirror and face where they do business. The CCP is no friend of the LGBT community.

Read the legislation, study what went into it and get multiple sources. After that, write/call Disney corporate and demand they take this same stance in China. The people in China are subjugated on a daily basis and no one stands up for them. The Chinese government told Disney what to do during the initial Covid outbreak and told them how and when to open/close parks. They enforced the green card system. There are no individual freedoms. Disney is cool with that.

Just do the research. Don't take my word or anyone on this board's.

 

[Obi-J Kenobi]

No one has come back to me with a factual basis for why Disney corporate is fine ignoring the Uyghurs, but we are all flying in a tizzy over here about FL's legislation.

Money.

 

[TheDailyMoo]

Hopefully Chaepek wil be out next year, in part because of his mismanagement of this scandal (and previous ones, like the Johansson screw up), and a new CEO will have better sense and keep the company out of scandals.

They have everyone fooled. This isn’t Chapek at all…almost none of the bad decisions have been. I know many people love him for some reason but this is all Iger. Chapek is straight up the scapegoat for everything.

Corporations and our government knew Covid was coming and they knew the impact it would have…they aren’t THAT dumb. Disney probably either had this contingency plan or created it in the month leading up to Iger stepping down on purpose and replacing with someone that they would never have wanted as CEO. Iger saw the iceberg coming and threw Chapek in the captains chair and jumped into a life raft. Iger is the one that set so much of this in motion. He had/still might have political aspirations and he started using corporate Disney as such. Everyone thinks all this was concocted overnight? Chapek has full control and is the reason everything is happening? He’s a figurehead at best. Chapek is there to take all the slings and arrows and he knows it. This was the plan all along. Chapek would never have been CEO otherwise. And don’t feel bad for Chapek he’s going to be handsomely compensated for this. When the dust settles…if it settles…the real CEO will be installed and whatever was done under Chapek will remain and the new brass will never have to be blamed for it.

 

[Duckbug.Ducktales]

They have everyone fooled. This isn’t Chapek at all…almost none of the bad decisions have been. I know many people love him for some reason but this is all Iger. Chapek is straight up the scapegoat for everything.

Corporations and our government knew Covid was coming and they knew the impact it would have…they aren’t THAT dumb. Disney probably either had this contingency plan or created it in the month leading up to Iger stepping down on purpose and replacing with someone that they would never have wanted as CEO. Iger saw the iceberg coming and threw Chapek in the captains chair and jumped into a life raft. Iger is the one that set so much of this in motion. He had/still might have political aspirations and he started using corporate Disney as such. Everyone thinks all this was concocted overnight? Chapek has full control and is the reason everything is happening? He’s a figurehead at best. Chapek is there to take all the slings and arrows and he knows it. This was the plan all along. Chapek would never have been CEO otherwise. And don’t feel bad for Chapek he’s going to be handsomely compensated for this. When the dust settles…if it settles…the real CEO will be installed and whatever was done under Chapek will remain and the new brass will never have to be blamed for it.

This is very conspiratorial and I won't engage in it further.