If Florida repeals "The Reedy Creek Improvement Charter", how does that change Disney going forward?

[pahoben]

This could devolve further and we would have to define nuclear family and family in detail before proceeding with any hope for common understanding. The families throughout recorded European history did however have a marked patriarchal structure.

For that matter the same throughout recorded history in Japan and China.

 

[TLSnell1981]

They are shaking the skeletons out of the attic. Disney’s agenda is being exposed. It’s not a great look IMO

 

[TLSnell1981]

I love all these "small government" people applauding the idea of weaponizing the courts in order to promote their small minded and limited agendas. Be careful what you ask for, because its going to come back to hit you all so hard and I am there for it. I can't wait until some of you get sued when people actually apply the law the way it is written. The only one benefiting from all this is the lawyers that will be suing school districts. But I understand that is actually the point, to dismantle the public school system so you can indoctrinate your kids with what you feel are appropriate values. It's funny to me, because you have all forgot what kids and teens are like. The more you tell them NOT to learn about the stuff you think is bad, the more appealing it is.

I also love that the same people crying "cAnCeL cULtuRe" are ready to cancel any company that wants to be inclusive of any views that aren't their own.

This is all grandstanding by the way. Florida ain't gonna bite the hand that feeds
Interesting viewpoint but not my thoughts at all. Parents have a right to instill values in their children. It’s not the public’s responsibility. If my kid drives a vehicle into the school building…who I is responsible…me or the school?

And BTW we have already become a litigious society. Disney isn’t going away anytime soon and neither is this law.

Interesting viewpoint but not my thoughts at all. Parents have a right to instill values in their children. It’s not the public’s responsibility. If my kid drives a vehicle into the school building who is responsible…me or the school?

And BTW we have already become a litigious society. Disney isn’t going away anytime soon and neither is this law.

 

[TLSnell1981]

I love all these "small government" people applauding the idea of weaponizing the courts in order to promote their small minded and limited agendas. Be careful what you ask for, because its going to come back to hit you all so hard and I am there for it. I can't wait until some of you get sued when people actually apply the law the way it is written. The only one benefiting from all this is the lawyers that will be suing school districts. But I understand that is actually the point, to dismantle the public school system so you can indoctrinate your kids with what you feel are appropriate values. It's funny to me, because you have all forgot what kids and teens are like. The more you tell them NOT to learn about the stuff you think is bad, the more appealing it is.

I also love that the same people crying "cAnCeL cULtuRe" are ready to cancel any company that wants to be inclusive of any views that aren't their own.

This is all grandstanding by the way. Florida ain't gonna bite the hand that feeds them.

Interesting viewpoint but not my thoughts at all. Parents have a right to instill values in their children. It’s not the public’s responsibility. If my kid drives a vehicle into the school building…who I is responsible…me or the school?

And BTW we have already become a litigious society. Disney isn’t going away anytime soon and neither is this law.

 

[starlite_]

There was a time I could put on a specific and appropriate show on for the kiddos to watch. Now Disney through their short stories, commercials (whatever) promotes an agenda. I don’t feel my child needs to be Influenced about these subjects at such a young age. We are trying to raise critical thinkers who reach their own conclusions not programmed robots. Just my thoughts

Genuine question tho, if the theoretical tv show has perspectives different that yours, is that not exactly what you are saying you want for your kid? Dif perspectives so the kid can reach their own conclusions and ask questions vs being 100% influenced by you? How are you not raising a programmed robot if the only thing the kid can do is repeat what you have said? Or is it ok, because you did the programming?

 

[TiggerBouncy]

There was a time I could put on a specific and appropriate show on for the kiddos to watch. Now Disney through their short stories, commercials (whatever) promotes an agenda. I don’t feel my child needs to be Influenced about these subjects at such a young age. We are trying to raise critical thinkers who reach their own conclusions not programmed robots. Just my thoughts

I saw a comment on this that did ring somewhat true to me. I made the point earlier that Disney can choose to challenge the law through story telling. I still hold that this is their right to do that and it's my right to decide if my child should see it.

Having said that, I saw someone else comment that Disney has lost it's vision. You used to be able to just sit your child down and trust that a Disney movie was appropriate for you. You did not have to 'parent' Disney and pre-screen a movie in order to know it was safe. That was something many liked about the brand.

Disney choosing to attack societal values through story telling - which I hold is their right and the correct way for a company to act - does still mean that to many of us, we can no longer trust Disney movies, which takes away a major attractant of the brand.

 

[TiggerBouncy]

Genuine question tho, if the theoretical tv show has perspectives different that yours, is that not exactly what you are saying you want for your kid? Dif perspectives so the kid can reach their own conclusions and ask questions vs being 100% influenced by you? How are you not raising a programmed robot if the only thing the kid can do is repeat what you have said? Or is it ok, because you did the programming?

As a parent (and you are welcome to disagree with me), I understand your point, but I feel that there is an age where I encourage challenge, and there is an age that I do not. a 5 year old is too young to understand the complexities we are discussing.

A 16 year old is another story entirely. I WANT my 16 year old to challenge everything and form their own opinions. I do not want my 5 year old to do that as these topics are far too complex for a developing mind.

 

[starlite_]

I saw a comment on this that did ring somewhat true to me. I made the point earlier that Disney can choose to challenge the law through story telling. I still hold that this is their right to do that and it's my right to decide if my child should see it.

Having said that, I saw someone else comment that Disney has lost it's vision. You used to be able to just sit your child down and trust that a Disney movie was appropriate for you. You did not have to 'parent' Disney and pre-screen a movie in order to know it was safe. That was something many liked about the brand.

Disney choosing to attack societal values through story telling - which I hold is their right and the correct way for a company to act - does still mean that to many of us, we can no longer trust Disney movies, which takes away a major attractant of the brand.

In your perspective, what has Disney done recently thru storytelling that attacks societal values?

 

[TLSnell1981]

Genuine question tho, if the theoretical tv show has perspectives different that yours, is that not exactly what you are saying you want for your kid? Dif perspectives so the kid can reach their own conclusions and ask questions vs being 100% influenced by you? How are you not raising a programmed robot if the only thing the kid can do is repeat what you have said?

I want age appropriate “entertainment” for an early elementary age child. I’m more concerned at this stage with learning to be kind, respectful, imaginative, etc. I don’t need programming to influence my child’s take on social issues. She is world traveler and exposed to diverse but real life experiences. She has her own thoughts and curiosities. These are addressed…not force fed.

 

[jjb1974]

The bill is about Parental Rights. it’s veered off course a bit but they are beating the rug and the dirt is flying. It’s a bit more complex than it being portrayed.

If it's more complex, then it might be a good idea to write a bill longer than 7 pages to get into the nuances. Then again, legislators are certainly very good at writing bills to throw red meat to their base, leaving the dirty job of undoing those things because of pesky things like "the Constitution of the United States of America" to the courts.

 

[DCLMP]

Genuine question tho, if the theoretical tv show has perspectives different that yours, is that not exactly what you are saying you want for your kid? Dif perspectives so the kid can reach their own conclusions and ask questions vs being 100% influenced by you? How are you not raising a programmed robot if the only thing the kid can do is repeat what you have said? Or is it ok, because you did the programming?

We're talking about 5-8-year-olds. At that age, they shouldn't even know what sex is.

 

[jjb1974]

I saw a comment on this that did ring somewhat true to me. I made the point earlier that Disney can choose to challenge the law through story telling. I still hold that this is their right to do that and it's my right to decide if my child should see it.

Having said that, I saw someone else comment that Disney has lost it's vision. You used to be able to just sit your child down and trust that a Disney movie was appropriate for you. You did not have to 'parent' Disney and pre-screen a movie in order to know it was safe. That was something many liked about the brand.

Disney choosing to attack societal values through story telling - which I hold is their right and the correct way for a company to act - does still mean that to many of us, we can no longer trust Disney movies, which takes away a major attractant of the brand.

The halcyon days when I could just plop my kid down and breathe easy as "Song of the South" spun up on the VHS?

 

[starlite_]

I want age appropriate “entertainment” for a early elementary age child. I’m more concerned at this stage with learning to be kind, respectful, imaginative, etc. I don’t need programming to influence my child’s take on social issues. She is world traveler and exposed to diverse but real life experiences. She has her own thoughts and curiosities. These are addressed…not force fed.

What have you found on recent Disney programming that isn't kind or respectful? You mention social issues, what in your opinion are social issues that aren't appropriate for an elementary aged kid?

 

[Obi-J Kenobi]

As for the topic at hand, I HIGHLY DOUBT there is any serious consideration to repealing RC. That's just saber-rattling to try to get Disney's attention and show the Florida can fight back.

This may be true. But, I just cannot agree that this is a lot of smoke and no fire.

I think there has been a growing resentment (for lack of a better term) that every day folks have with the special privileges that large corporations get from government. I think this resentment can be seen in government action as small as local TIF districts, local condemnations for business and some fairly large, broad-scale examples. In the 2000s, there were bail outs for Wall Street, but not so much for Main Street (to use the parlance of politicos). The public noticed. In 2020, with COVID-19, the public health officials closed a lot of small businesses but your large corporations were able to keep their doors open. The public noticed again.

I would not be surprised if the public sentiment has sufficiently changed and the historical reasons for RCID just don't move the needle for the public. Is it fair or reasonable that TWDC gets to keep its self-selected, special municipalities that operate without any oversight from a local elected body? Naturally, there is always some measure of oversight on a State and Federal level. But, WDW has a local impact too and maybe the public believes it is fair for local oversight too?

If you think that TWDC doesn't see RCID as super-duper important to have under its control, what other possible reasonable explanation is there to kick out the folks living in Golden Oak or Celebration. TWDC could have easily left Golden Oak and Celebration as part of RCID, but TWDC specifically subdivided them out. Why? TWDC doesn't want to share. Unfortunately for TWDC, there may be enough legislators and a governor who are willing to tell TWDC, time's up.

Like many things in life, time will tell.

 

[starlite_]

We're talking about 5-8-year-olds. At that age, they shouldn't even know what sex is.

I never mentioned sex. I'm not talking about sex at all. I asked them about perspectives different than theirs. Never did I once thought or mentioned sex you weirdo.

 

[pahoben]

For that matter the same throughout recorded history in Japan and China.

...and India.

 

[Jwaire]

The halcyon days when I could just plop my kid down and breathe easy as "Song of the South" spun up on the VHS?

I tried to watch Pete's Dragon with my three-year old nephew the other day because he is obsessed with dragons. It's been years and I didn't realize all the issues that were in that film from alcohol abuse to domestic violence.

Back to Bluey and Paw Patrol.

Art imitates life. Disney's been including social commentary in their movies for years. It was just overlooked until recently.

 

[TiggerBouncy]

The Republican's agenda is being exposed as well. Not a great look for them.

To be clear, this is not Republican vs Democrat. This is Conservative vs Liberal.

There is a DISTINCT difference. MOST people are somewhat more complex. For example, I am conservative on some issues, and liberal on others. I have a daughter who is Lesbian. I love her and support her no matter what. However, I am against teaching a 4 year old gender identity through planned curriculum. I am not a Republican or a Democrat, although I tend to lean more toward the former.

I think a large number of people who tend to identify with a party are actually more fluid based on the issues.

 

[BrianL]

"I don't believe in playing down to children, either in life or in motion pictures. I didn't treat my own youngsters like fragile flowers, and I think no parent should."

- Walt Disney.

 

[pahoben]

The halcyon days when I could just plop my kid down and breathe easy as "Song of the South" spun up on the VHS?

I just checked and Song of the South is available on DVD at Amazon so you can still plop your kid down to watch it if you so choose.