I think the end of the world is near...

I am involved in hands on research that specifically deal with a childs intellectual, moral, and emotional development. Plus my experience with my own family. It is just what I found, of course in each group you will have outiers.

Interesting choice of words :thumbsup2 :rotfl2: :rotfl2: :rotfl2:

People do realize that in the vast majority of households that do believe in some form of spanking that it's not the only form of punishment and discipline used, right? The assumption always seems to be made that because I believe in the occasional swat on the butt that it's the only was I discipline.

Oh, and I hate the whole "I wasn't spanked and I turned out fine" or "I was spanked and I was a polite child" arguments. Spanking or not spanking is hardly the primary reason why a child turns out the way they do.
 
You know, before I had kids and when DS was a baby I loved the theories on alternative discipline - no spanking, logical consequences etc. It all made loads of sense. DS as a toddler responded pretty well.

Then I had my first DD when DS was 18 months, followed 18 months later by my second DD. By the time DS was 3 I had a newborn and a toddler to deal with. DH worked a lot, I was often the only one home with all 3. DS was great at 2, but more difficult at 3 and 4. The DDs were fairly easy as kids go (well, the youngest could be a challaenge at times!). But I found that it was very difficult to implement this alternative parenting with 3 little ones! None of the books tell you how to juggle 3 little kids while doing this! And I also discovered that for reasoning, logical consequences etc. to work well enough, you needed to be proactive; meaning, you had to prepare your child for situations, lots and lots of teaching was involved (which is a good thing, don't get me wrong!), and when they chose to behave badly, sometimes the consequence that had the best teaching value was time consuming or difficult to implement while toting along 2 younger kids! I found that sometimes I had to resort to reactive parenting i.e. punishment after the fact that wasn't particularly related to the "crime" in question. Sometimes I couldn't even think of a suitable punishment that would mean anything to a small child other than a swift spank.

So yes, I have resorted to spanking on occasion. I still use logical consequences and reasoning whenever I can. My aim with discipline is mainly to TEACH my kids better courses of action for next time. I focus a lot on what is the right thing to do vs what is the wrong thing. But there have been times when my instinct has been to just make a very clear point that what was done was very, very wrong and will NEVER be tolerated. I save the spanks for really, really naughty things that they KNOW are wrong - maybe things that we've dealt with in other ways before that clearly hadn't worked, or outright defiance that is threatening to undermine my authority as a parent. My kids are free to question things, discuss things, negotiate (politely) for change etc. But they are not allowed to rudely defy my directives. And there are times when, for their safety, they will be expected to obey me immediately and without question. They know my "urgent, obey NOW" voice and face.

Spanking doesn't have any value for teaching the right thing to do. It's really only a reaction to the wrong thing. It also loses its effect if used too often or for trivial things. That's why it's not a primary tool that I use. However, I have fallen back on it from time to time, and for that reason I could never denounce it. I'm not sure if I did wrong by my kids the times I used it, but I am the first to admit that I am not and never will be a perfect parent. I am just doing the best I can, like most of us.


I rest my case.
 
I am involved in hands on research that specifically deal with a childs intellectual, moral, and emotional development. Plus my experience with my own family. It is just what I found, of course in each group you will have outiers.
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Well I would assume - if you have "hands on research" - that you are well aware that each child is an individual and what works for one child will not work for another.. Disciplining children has never been - nor ever will be - a "one-size-fits-all" situation..
 

I do not think it is the right of the Govt to tell any parent how to discipline thier child.

I was raised in an authoritarian houshold and I was spanked if the "crime" was bad enough! Mostly for Lieing and Disprespect...those were grounds for spanking in my household growing up. I am somehwere between Authoritarian and Authorative in my own parenting.

When my 8 year olds show Complete and total Disprespect when speaking to me or if they Outright Defy me or Lie to me you can bet they are going to get a spanking. There is no room for Defiance or Disrespct in my home. Do they know WHY they are getting spanked, OF COURSE, and they also know why it's wrong to do what they did!

Other times I choose a punishment to fit the crime! Ie...you decide to make a mess out of something ... You clean it up! You choose not to finish your homework...You face the music at school... and so on. You decide not do what your asked, chores etc...You lose priveledges until its done.
 
We don't spank, we beat. Beat them with belts and flyswatters. Also a baseball bat once. We try to do it so marks aren't visible, but dang if we don't get carried away (heat of the moment, you know how you just get mad) and we have to call them in sick to the school when the marks show.

We have to. They don't understand anything else. When they were little, we could lock them in closets to teach them a lesson, but once they can break the doors that starts getting EXPENSIVE!

One said it was "abuse" once and threatened to call the cops, but we told him that he'd get the beating of his life! Then we choked him until he was unconscious, just to drive the point home.

We tried taking food away, but they kept getting sick. Beating is better.
I am nominating you for parent of the year!!!!:goodvibes :goodvibes
 
Well, they just won't stop whining - it gets on your nerves! "We're huuuuungry! Why can't we eat today? Our friends get to eat EVERY day!"

"It's cooooold! Why can't we have a blanket? Our friends have heat AND blankets!"

Got to shut them brats up someways.

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
 
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Ok, so I just kind of want to defend myself here.

I never said that there was only one right way. I said that I believe I could do it without spanking. I think that if you can rasie a child wihout spanking you should, I think I am capable of that. I am just saying that there are other ways than the old "spare the rod and spoil the child" belief.

There does tend to be more of a correlation of between not spanking a child and their intelligence in the lab. They often use logic and reason better, and I believe that it is because their parents use logic and reason in their punshments. They make more creative punishments, and ensure that their children know why what they did was wrong. ONCE AGAIN, I AM SAYING THIS IS NOT IN ALL CASES!! In elementary school my MG teacher found the similar results.

Just because there is a correlation or I believe I can do it, doesn't mean others shouldn't. I just think there is a much better way than scaring your child into obeying you. Some people may not be able to raise a child without spanking and thats best for them, but for me I know for a fact 100% that I would never do it. I've seen too many examples to keep me from spanking my child. I also understand that I haven't been there, but lots of people have done it and I know myself well enough to know I would never spank. I would not have a child with someone with a different style of parenting.

I just don't think you can parallel prayer and not spanking with the decline of civiization. If a child grows up without either they could still turn out fine. If they have both that doesn't mean they will grow up well either. That was the point I was trying to make from the beginning.

I don't think the government should step in and decide to make it child abuse (IMHO extreme stage and show parents should have their children taken away before anything!) but I don't think spanking is necessary.
 
This week we've had the spanking law and the no smoking in the car with the kids law. Where does it end?
I'm not a parent, so I really don't have a dog in this hunt, but the increasing government intrusion into people's lives is a big problem for me.
Yes, there are people around who make bad choices that have detrimental effects on themselves and their families. That's sad. However, it does NOT require regulation.

Today's law might be about a behavior that you already think is bad so what's the big deal? Well, maybe next week's law will be about something that you think is not so bad or about something you might like.
 
Yesterday was a difficult parenting day for me - I have had to make some hard decisions regarding my daughter's education and I worry constantly whether I am doing the best thing for her. I realized today when I went back and reread my posts that they came across as rather obnoxious and condescending. For that I sincerely apologize. I stand by my beliefs but I certainly could have expressed them in a more civilized manner. I am sorry.
 
As a psychology major and conitive/developmental research assistant I...
from what I've seen and from research done by my professor...
If I ever have children I will NEVER...
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: Oh, Lordy. Come back when you are married and have four kids in their teens and tell us how all your theories worked out for you.

Serious this time.

I took child psych. Read the "Authoritative" and "Authoritarian" and "Permissive" crap - as if psychologists can stick people into neat little columns, like accountants do with numbers, this one belongs here, that one there. It's ludicrous. The world is not clinical. You can't categorize a person - and trying is kind of creepy, IMO.

Everyone has to raise their kids in their own way...we all do our best.
 
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: Oh, Lordy. Come back when you are married and have four kids in their teens and tell us how all your theories worked out for you.

Serious this time.

I took child psych. Read the "Authoritative" and "Authoritarian" and "Permissive" crap - as if psychologists can stick people into neat little columns, like accountants do with numbers, this one belongs here, that one there. It's ludicrous. The world is not clinical. You can't categorize a person - and trying is kind of creepy, IMO.

Everyone has to raise their kids in their own way...we all do our best.
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I'll never forget the time a psychologist told me to "reward" my son with a trip to McDonald's if he didn't attempt to STAB his Kindergarten teacher with his scissors for a full week..

Ummm - no.. Attempting to "stab" people is NOT acceptable and I was not about to reward him for not doing so.. :rolleyes: (By the way - the psychologist had no children of his own - and we stopped seeing him right after his ludicrous suggestion..)
 
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I'll never forget the time a psychologist told me to "reward" my son with a trip to McDonald's if he didn't attempt to STAB his Kindergarten teacher with his scissors for a full week..

Ummm - no.. Attempting to "stab" people is NOT acceptable and I was not about to reward him for not doing so.. :rolleyes: (By the way - the psychologist had no children of his own - and we stopped seeing him right after his ludicrous suggestion..)
But the books all said to do this!!!!:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
 
Everyone has to raise their kids in their own way...we all do our best.

Pretty much. Before Russ, I used to be totally FOR spanking if necessary. Turns out, he's a pretty easy-going kid and other methods work well, so we haven't had to resort to spanking. (Yet. Let's not jinx me.) I learned other methods don't work, either - he's too smart for redirection.

Plus, he's cloth diapered, so even if I spanked him, he'd never feel anything through all the padding. :rolleyes1
 
What's that quote?

"I used to have three theories on raising children. Now I have three children and no theories"....

;)
 
What's that quote?

"I used to have three theories on raising children. Now I have three children and no theories"....

;)

:upsidedow That is so true. I went from thinking I knew it all to knowing I knew nothing!
 
:upsidedow That is so true. I went from thinking I knew it all to knowing I knew nothing!

Me too! What a wild ride! I told my best friend to just forget any advice I gave her before I had kids. I didn't know what I was talking about. (my experience.)
 
I was spanked as a child and I spank my own kids. The no-spanking people are tossing out thousands of years of wisdom on the basis of junk science and a conflation of limited, reasonable spanking with child abuse. That's a shame. We need more parental authority, not less.

Luckily that bill won't pass.
 













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