I think Ke$ha's lyrics set the women's movement back 50 years...

the needing a bath part is just part of the persona--party girls been up all night, didn't get a bath. A lot of music industry folks are just a persona, they are nothing like the person they present on stage, in music or in videos. Look at Niki Menaj (or however it is spelled), she is a different persona in every song. It sells their music.

I wouldn't say she is talentless. I don't think she is the next Barbars Streisand or anything but she has a niche and she is in it and making big bucks there (regardless of who the genius is that came up with it). I much prefer her over Brittany Spears!

Seriously- what you see isn't always a "persona" Amy Winehouse for example was exactly what she portrayed. I don't care enough about Ke$ha to find out if that is the case withher or not- I think she is talentless and turn her off whenever she comes on the radio- what I HAVE had to listen to is because of my teenager....
 
This place is about to Blow-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh!!!!


Not for nothing but my 12 year old just passed a comment yesterday about how she hates that popular kids are always depicted as mean and dumb. This is the same thing. Just because you dress funky and go out partying at clubs does not mean your easy or dumb. There are plenty of plain people who are easy cheating on their DH's & DW's wearing crocs and driving minivans, and an equal number of plain boring people who are dumb, I run across them every day of my life.

Back in the 80's my GF's and I would pile into our cars in spike heels, short skirts and tear up the clubs. We didn't do drugs, were light years from easy (when you're pretty you don't have to be) and were all honor students, we just liked partying and dressing up. Talk about prejudging someone, telling women how the dress and that they like to dance means they are trampy and dumb is what sets the women's right movement back.... telling men it's ok to view women that way is even worse. This was the point of that huge groundswell over the Canadian Cops use of a very derogatory term for a female victim a while back, I see the sentiment is still alive & well

Why is everything supposed to be so dull to get a stamp of approval, eeekkk. I really need to get back to NYC
 
This place is about to Blow-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh!!!!


Not for nothing but my 12 year old just passed a comment yesterday about how she hates that popular kids are always depicted as mean and dumb. This is the same thing. Just because you dress funky and go out partying at clubs does not mean your easy or dumb. There are plenty of plain people who are easy cheating on their DH's & DW's wearing crocs and driving minivans, and an equal number of plain boring people who are dumb, I run across them every day of my life.

Back in the 80's my GF's and I would pile into our cars in spike heels, short skirts and tear up the clubs. We didn't do drugs, were light years from easy (when you're pretty you don't have to be) and were all honor students, we just liked partying and dressing up. Talk about prejudging someone, telling women how the dress and that they like to dance means they are trampy and dumb is what sets the women's right movement back.... telling men it's ok to view women that way is even worse. This was the point of that huge groundswell over the Canadian Cops use of a very derogatory term for a female victim a while back, I see the sentiment is still alive & well

Why is everything supposed to be so dull to get a stamp of approval, eeekkk. I really need to get back to NYC

I would add that we are also (sadly) telling women it is okay to view other women that way--but otherwise you totally hit the nail on the head:thumbsup2
 
Seriously- what you see isn't always a "persona" Amy Winehouse for example was exactly what she portrayed. I don't care enough about Ke$ha to find out if that is the case withher or not- I think she is talentless and turn her off whenever she comes on the radio- what I HAVE had to listen to is because of my teenager....

Of course its not always. Many are, but not all. I doubt either of us will ever be close enough to find out for sure.:laughing:
 

That like comparing a kindergarten drawing to a Van Gogh :laughing:

I understand the appeal of many Beatles songs. Just not that one. Or at least, not the last 4 minutes of it. ;) (Unless your kid's name is Judah, of course. :))
 
You are all aware that this exact conversation has already been done... about 1 billion times over the past 60 years?


Those darn kids, listening to that Elvis character. Don't have no idea what music really is.

Oh, btw, GET OFF MY LAWN!

[old man voice] The kids these days with their hip-hop and their dance music. The lyrics are so inappropriate and she's got this dang dollar sign in her name. Doesn't she know how to spell? Oh, what is the world coming to? (because of course "crazy" music leads to societal deterioration). [end old man voice]

I hardly think these lyrics are so inappropriate they warrant a DIS thread on them, this might be one of the silliest threads I've read lately.

Also, just because a song is "classic", it doesn't make it better. It makes it old. It makes it liked by people when it was popular and in it's heyday. It's not anymore. These are the times of Ke$ha, Rihanna, Lil' Wayne, Bruno Mars, Britney Spears, Jason Derulo, Adele, etc.

People my age will be having this same conversation about our children/grandchildren about they "crazy" music they listen to, calling "Rolling in the Deep" a classic. Will it be better than the music of the time, maybe, maybe not, it's like comparing apples to oranges. Not Van Gogh to kindergarten paintings.

But I know this won't be a popular opinion here, my age group is not a majority and most who think the music of their day is better than today (or from before their day, for that matter) will never see otherwise. I don't blame people for liking what they know. But I completely back my opinion. I won't say I will or will not do the same, only time will tell.
 
Back in the 80's my GF's and I would pile into our cars in spike heels, short skirts and tear up the clubs. We didn't do drugs, were light years from easy (when you're pretty you don't have to be) and were all honor students, we just liked partying and dressing up.

I have 2 honor student daughters who like Ke$ha too, but I don't understand the line about being pretty means you don't have to be easy. I'm not pretty and have never worn spike heels and short skirts, does that mean I have to be easy? :confused3

I have always been considered smart though, figured it was a good thing I didn't have to rely on my looks to get by in life. :)
 
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[old man voice] The kids these days with their hip-hop and their dance music. The lyrics are so inappropriate and she's got this dang dollar sign in her name. Doesn't she know how to spell? Oh, what is the world coming to? (because of course "crazy" music leads to societal deterioration). [end old man voice]

I hardly think these lyrics are so inappropriate they warrant a DIS thread on them, this might be one of the silliest threads I've read lately.

Also, just because a song is "classic", it doesn't make it better. It makes it old. It makes it liked by people when it was popular and in it's heyday. It's not anymore. These are the times of Ke$ha, Rihanna, Lil' Wayne, Bruno Mars, Britney Spears, Jason Derulo, Adele, etc.

People my age will be having this same conversation about our children/grandchildren about they "crazy" music they listen to, calling "Rolling in the Deep" a classic. Will it be better than the music of the time, maybe, maybe not, it's like comparing apples to oranges. Not Van Gogh to kindergarten paintings.

But I know this won't be a popular opinion here, my age group is not a majority and most who think the music of their day is better than today (or from before their day, for that matter) will never see otherwise. I don't blame people for liking what they know. But I completely back my opinion. I won't say I will or will not do the same, only time will tell.

Well, I think there is more to a song that is considered a "classic" than the fact that it is "old", but that's just my opinion. I don't think a Kei$ha song has the staying power of a song written by John Lennon, just sayin'. BUT, I do like Kei$ha's music for what it is. I don't dislike her at all. And for the others you mentioned, I think Bruno Mars is head and shoulders above the rest. Love, love, love his music.
 
This place is about to Blow-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh!!!!


Not for nothing but my 12 year old just passed a comment yesterday about how she hates that popular kids are always depicted as mean and dumb. This is the same thing. Just because you dress funky and go out partying at clubs does not mean your easy or dumb. There are plenty of plain people who are easy cheating on their DH's & DW's wearing crocs and driving minivans, and an equal number of plain boring people who are dumb, I run across them every day of my life.

Back in the 80's my GF's and I would pile into our cars in spike heels, short skirts and tear up the clubs. We didn't do drugs, were light years from easy (when you're pretty you don't have to be) and were all honor students, we just liked partying and dressing up. Talk about prejudging someone, telling women how the dress and that they like to dance means they are trampy and dumb is what sets the women's right movement back.... telling men it's ok to view women that way is even worse. This was the point of that huge groundswell over the Canadian Cops use of a very derogatory term for a female victim a while back, I see the sentiment is still alive & well

Why is everything supposed to be so dull to get a stamp of approval, eeekkk. I really need to get back to NYC

This comment is BEGGING for the grammar/punctuation police. When a comment declares how intelligent a poster is, the mistakes glare.
 
I don't wonder what the parents would have said because 1) I have more tact than to actually call out strangers in public unless they are doing something really reprehensible, and 2) I didn't see any parents, just a group of loud obnoxious girls. And that's part of the point - 20-somethings might enjoy the song, but have enough sense not to sing it at the top of their lungs in a "family environment." Regardless of the song, I would expect to get dirty looks if I started singing loudly in a Disney queue (and I'm a professional!).

a professional? what does that have to do with behavior in line at WDW?

my point was, no where in that song does it say specifically take your clothes off...I am not saying the lyrics are great for young ones, but are they really going to know what those lyrics mean? god forbid anyone have fun passing the time in a line...I;m sure we all did silly stuff as junior high schoolers that we would never have done as an adult.

take it off (take what off)
lose your clothes - probably would be taken literally by little ones.
 
a professional? what does that have to do with behavior in line at WDW?

my point was, no where in that song does it say specifically take your clothes off...I am not saying the lyrics are great for young ones, but are they really going to know what those lyrics mean? god forbid anyone have fun passing the time in a line...I;m sure we all did silly stuff as junior high schoolers that we would never have done as an adult.

take it off (take what off)
lose your clothes - probably would be taken literally by little ones.

It means that if I bursted into song in a Disney queue it would be seen as equally obnoxious by some people, even though I am a professional vocalist and therefore my voice does not sound like nails on a chalkboard. Some behaviors are obnoxious. Loudly singing a Ke$ha song in line is one of them. Yes, I'm sure they thought they were being silly. I thought it was obnoxious. The fact that the song was inappropriate for the crowd just made it more obnoxious.
 
I have 2 honor student daughters who like Ke$ha too, but I don't understand the line about being pretty means you don't have to be easy. I'm not pretty and have never worn spike heels and short skirts, does that mean I have to be easy? :confused3

I have always been considered smart though, figured it was a good thing I didn't have to rely on my looks to get by in life. :)

That shouldn't be what you got out of it. since most people made the assumption that a certain appearance is indicative of a particular minset I simply pointed out that women who put forth that particular appearance actually don't have to say yes to advances to get attention. Further, the point is that plenty of people who don't posess the previously mentioned attributes are easy none-the-less. Ultimately the point is that stereotypes are just plain wrong, you can't tell who someone is or isn't based on how they look.
 
Personally, I think Ke$ha's lyrics are less offensive than some of Katy Perry's. Unfortunately, this doesn't mean I dislike the songs -- I just hate KP's lyrics and what they promote. I think her worst so far is "Last Friday Night." Glamorizing black-outs, binge drinking, indiscriminate sex, and then saying that even though she doesn't really remember what happened that night, she's "pretty sure it ruled"? Wow.

"Last Friday Night (T.G.I.F.)"

There's a stranger in my bed,
There's a pounding in my head
Glitter all over the room
Pink flamingos in the pool
I smell like a minibar
DJ's passed out in the yard
Barbie's on the barbeque
Is this a hickie or a bruise?

Pictures of last night
Ended up online
I'm screwed
Oh well
It's a blacked out blur
But I'm pretty sure it ruled
Damn

Last Friday night
Yeah we danced on tabletops
And we took too many shots
Think we kissed but I forgot

Last Friday night
Yeah we maxed our credit cards
And got kicked out of the bar
So we hit the boulevard

Last Friday night
We went streaking in the park
Skinny dipping in the dark
Then had a ménage à trois
Last Friday night
Yeah I think we broke the law
Always say we're gonna stop
Whoa-oh-oah

This Friday night
Do it all again
This Friday night
Do it all again

Trying to connect the dots
Don't know what to tell my boss
Think the city towed my car
Chandelier is on the floor
Ripped my favorite party dress
Warrant's out for my arrest
Think I need a ginger ale
That was such an epic fail

Pictures of last night
Ended up online
I'm screwed
Oh well
It's a blacked out blur
But I'm pretty sure it ruled
Damn

Last Friday night
Yeah we danced on table tops
And we took too many shots
Think we kissed but I forgot

Last Friday night
Yeah we maxed our credit cards
And got kicked out of the bar
So we hit the boulevards

Last Friday night
We went streaking in the park
Skinny dipping int he dark
Then had a ménage à trois

Last Friday night
Yeah I think we broke the law
Always say we're gonna stop
Oh whoa oh

This Friday night
Do it all again
Do it all again
This Friday night
Do it all again
Do it all again
This Friday night

T.G.I.F.
T.G.I.F.
T.G.I.F.
T.G.I.F.
T.G.I.F.
T.G.I.F.

Last Friday night
Yeah we danced on table tops
And we took too many shots
Think we kissed but I forgot

Last Friday night
Yeah we maxed our credit cards
And got kicked out of the bar
So we hit the boulevard

Last Friday night
We went streaking in the park
Skinny dipping in the dark
Then had a ménage à trois

Last Friday night
Yeah I think we broke the law
Always say we're gonna stop
Oh-whoa-oh
This Friday night
Do it all again
 
Katy Perry, to me, is proof that that part of the music industry is about a trashy image rather than talent. Why? Because Zoe Deschanel has similar looks, is ten times the singer, and is much less well known (unless you refer to her as "the girl from Elf."
 
I am totally not a Ke$ha fan, that We R Who We R is a cool song and I kinda liked it, but that's about the only thing of hers I can tolerate. I just generally don't like her singing.


However, I am really a Katy Perry fan. Her music is fun and I like it. Her stuff is just silly and fun usually. "Last Friday Night" (as mentioned above) is my favorite song of hers. I don't think her stuff is meant to be taken seriously, the video is funny, she is funny. It's about having a good time and being crazy.




*I guess it could send the wrong message to young girls, BUT at some point maybe the parents should step in and use some judgement? If they don't want their kids listening to Katy Perry, by all means don't buy them her stuff.
 
Personally, I think Ke$ha's lyrics are less offensive than some of Katy Perry's. Unfortunately, this doesn't mean I dislike the songs -- I just hate KP's lyrics and what they promote. I think her worst so far is "Last Friday Night." Glamorizing black-outs, binge drinking, indiscriminate sex, and then saying that even though she doesn't really remember what happened that night, she's "pretty sure it ruled"? Wow.

"Last Friday Night (T.G.I.F.)"

There's a stranger in my bed,
There's a pounding in my head
Glitter all over the room
Pink flamingos in the pool
I smell like a minibar
DJ's passed out in the yard
Barbie's on the barbeque
Is this a hickie or a bruise?

Pictures of last night
Ended up online
I'm screwed
Oh well
It's a blacked out blur
But I'm pretty sure it ruled
Damn

Last Friday night
Yeah we danced on tabletops
And we took too many shots
Think we kissed but I forgot

Last Friday night
Yeah we maxed our credit cards
And got kicked out of the bar
So we hit the boulevard

Last Friday night
We went streaking in the park
Skinny dipping in the dark
Then had a ménage à trois
Last Friday night
Yeah I think we broke the law
Always say we're gonna stop
Whoa-oh-oah

This Friday night
Do it all again
This Friday night
Do it all again

Trying to connect the dots
Don't know what to tell my boss
Think the city towed my car
Chandelier is on the floor
Ripped my favorite party dress
Warrant's out for my arrest
Think I need a ginger ale
That was such an epic fail

Pictures of last night
Ended up online
I'm screwed
Oh well
It's a blacked out blur
But I'm pretty sure it ruled
Damn

Last Friday night
Yeah we danced on table tops
And we took too many shots
Think we kissed but I forgot

Last Friday night
Yeah we maxed our credit cards
And got kicked out of the bar
So we hit the boulevards

Last Friday night
We went streaking in the park
Skinny dipping int he dark
Then had a ménage à trois

Last Friday night
Yeah I think we broke the law
Always say we're gonna stop
Oh whoa oh

This Friday night
Do it all again
Do it all again
This Friday night
Do it all again
Do it all again
This Friday night

T.G.I.F.
T.G.I.F.
T.G.I.F.
T.G.I.F.
T.G.I.F.
T.G.I.F.

Last Friday night
Yeah we danced on table tops
And we took too many shots
Think we kissed but I forgot

Last Friday night
Yeah we maxed our credit cards
And got kicked out of the bar
So we hit the boulevard

Last Friday night
We went streaking in the park
Skinny dipping in the dark
Then had a ménage à trois

Last Friday night
Yeah I think we broke the law
Always say we're gonna stop
Oh-whoa-oh
This Friday night
Do it all again


I listen to her CD all the time and sing along and honetly, until this I had no clue what the lyrics were. I just sang along in a trance. lol
 
I listen to her CD all the time and sing along and honetly, until this I had no clue what the lyrics were. I just sang along in a trance. lol

That's what kills me -- I absolutely do the same thing! That's why I noted that I don't dislike her music, I just hate the lyrics and message. But her music (and Ke$ha's) is very dance-alongable (new word!). And although the PP who said perhaps if kids are acting out the lyrics, then parents should step in ... the whole problem with this is that it's about normalizing a lifestyle. It doesn't suddenly just pop out at you that, "hey, my kid is sleeping around, drinking until he/she blacks out, etc. Maybe I should say something to him/her." It's that people really do just sing along in a trance, begin to talk about/think about the behavior as normal and -- if not OK, at least not totally objectionable, and that slowly can lead to behavior changes or at least seeing occasional "lapses" (like blacking out one night from drinking so much and not remembering what happened) as something that happens to "everyone" at some point.

And yes, I feel like a total fuddy-duddy for even bringing it up. For me, more than anything, it's about the huge increase in binge drinking by underage and just-barely-of-age people. Too much alcoholism among my family and friends, too many people I know killed by drunk drivers, too many drunk drivers I know who have walked away from an accident that killed someone else -- and then the sense of shame I feel for wishing the drunk driver -- even when it's someone I know and love -- would just once be the person who was hurt in the accident, rather than an innocent bystander. The fact that more and more young people are drinking solely to get drunk -- as if that's a fun state to be in -- because they can have more "fun" (even if they don't remember it, surely they had "fun," right?) is horrifying to me because they really don't think of the consequences.

Whoa, I really got on a soapbox there, didn't I? :)
 
That's what kills me -- I absolutely do the same thing! That's why I noted that I don't dislike her music, I just hate the lyrics and message. But her music (and Ke$ha's) is very dance-alongable (new word!). And although the PP who said perhaps if kids are acting out the lyrics, then parents should step in ... the whole problem with this is that it's about normalizing a lifestyle. It doesn't suddenly just pop out at you that, "hey, my kid is sleeping around, drinking until he/she blacks out, etc. Maybe I should say something to him/her." It's that people really do just sing along in a trance, begin to talk about/think about the behavior as normal and -- if not OK, at least not totally objectionable, and that slowly can lead to behavior changes or at least seeing occasional "lapses" (like blacking out one night from drinking so much and not remembering what happened) as something that happens to "everyone" at some point.

And yes, I feel like a total fuddy-duddy for even bringing it up. For me, more than anything, it's about the huge increase in binge drinking by underage and just-barely-of-age people. Too much alcoholism among my family and friends, too many people I know killed by drunk drivers, too many drunk drivers I know who have walked away from an accident that killed someone else -- and then the sense of shame I feel for wishing the drunk driver -- even when it's someone I know and love -- would just once be the person who was hurt in the accident, rather than an innocent bystander. The fact that more and more young people are drinking solely to get drunk -- as if that's a fun state to be in -- because they can have more "fun" (even if they don't remember it, surely they had "fun," right?) is horrifying to me because they really don't think of the consequences.

Whoa, I really got on a soapbox there, didn't I? :)

I'm confused. Not realizing what I' singing doesn't mean that what the lyrics say is normal behavior. I didn't really pay attention to the lyrics so it didn't make me think of any behaviors. I just beebop my head along and sing.
 
Personally, I think Ke$ha's lyrics are less offensive than some of Katy Perry's. Unfortunately, this doesn't mean I dislike the songs -- I just hate KP's lyrics and what they promote. I think her worst so far is "Last Friday Night." Glamorizing black-outs, binge drinking, indiscriminate sex, and then saying that even though she doesn't really remember what happened that night, she's "pretty sure it ruled"? Wow.

I agree - "Teenage Dream" makes me literally cringe. "Let's go all the way tonight, no regrets..." Way to glamorize teen sex. I can't even buy anything from the OPI Katy Perry collection - and I love nail polish!
 

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