I think Disney should start enforcing end times on fastpasses

[mesaboy2]

The downside of this is that Disney get the appearance of being inflexible over five minutes. The guest that has to use the bathroom or has had this fastpass since 10 am and waited three hours and been waiting, was suddenly caught off guard by another attraction with slow moving line, getting lost, delays in getting lunch, or any other thing that was beyond their control. I think you would have far more complaints from people about the inflexible system, than the current system....and it would not work "better".

Amen times ten.

 

[Mrsjvb]

Okay so I skipped all 18 pages so if this is a repeat, My apologies.

DH does FP for some of the roller coasters esp the ones without SR lines. ( I don't/can't ride 'em)

we were at DL earlier this week and when his FP return time came for Screamin'.. the ride was DOWN so he couldn't ride when his FP said to return. so he came back a few hours later and rode it once it was back up.

why shoud he be penalized for something not his fault?

 

[mesaboy2]

Okay so I skipped all 18 pages so if this is a repeat, My apologies.

DH does FP for some of the roller coasters esp the ones without SR lines. ( I don't/can't ride 'em)

we were at DL earlier this week and when his FP return time came for Screamin'.. the ride was DOWN so he couldn't ride when his FP said to return. so he came back a few hours later and rode it once it was back up.

why shoud he be penalized for something not his fault?

Completely agree. But there are a few posters here that would say "life's tough, then you die". I paraphrased.

 

[hookedonears]

Whether there are people in front of me holding late FP's, or everyone has done the right thing and holds FP's within the correct return window, there would still be the exact same number of people in front of me and the line would NOT be shorter. However, by people doing the wrong, selfish thing getting FP's KNOWING full well that they would not be able to make the return window, they take FP's away from other people, who may not be able to return during the later, artificially pushed pack return time window. The bottom line is; it's the society we live in. It's a me, me, me thing and I’m not concerned with everyone else.

 

[disneymom0104]

Whether there are people in front of me holding late FP's, or everyone has done the right thing and holds FP's within the correct return window, there would still be the exact same number of people in front of me and the line would NOT be shorter. However, by people doing the wrong, selfish thing getting FP's KNOWING full well that they would not be able to make the return window, they take FP's away from other people, who may not be able to return during the later, artificially pushed pack return time window. The bottom line is; it's the society we live in. It's a me, me, me thing and I’m not concerned with everyone else.

Except every single person has the same opportunity to get the FP. The early bird always gets the worm at Disney- people that arrive at rope drop get first "dibs" at the FP's and the return times. You, and everyone, are welcome to arrive at that time and take them. You cannot fault people for arriving before you and getting the better return times. If you want to prevent people from "artificially" pushing back return times, then get there first and get them yourself. Sometimes things come up and using the FP late is not intentional, and sometimes people take FP in the morning with the intention to not use them until the evening. Either way- if you don't show up until noon you run the risk of not getting the best return times. This arguement has nothing to do with using FP late, though.

 

[cigar95]

we were at DL earlier this week and when his FP return time came for Screamin'.. the ride was DOWN so he couldn't ride when his FP said to return. so he came back a few hours later and rode it once it was back up.

why shoud he be penalized for something not his fault?

In all fairness, even from day one back around 1999, when return times *were* enforced, an exception was made when attractions went down. At that point, fastpasses for those attractions were automatically good for the rest of the day.

 

[nytimez]

Whether there are people in front of me holding late FP's, or everyone has done the right thing and holds FP's within the correct return window, there would still be the exact same number of people in front of me and the line would NOT be shorter. However, by people doing the wrong, selfish thing getting FP's KNOWING full well that they would not be able to make the return window, they take FP's away from other people, who may not be able to return during the later, artificially pushed pack return time window. The bottom line is; it's the society we live in. It's a me, me, me thing and I’m not concerned with everyone else.

By demanding that everyone follow YOUR exclusive rules and not do what Disney happily allows you are saying it's YOU YOU YOU and YOU'RE not concerned with anyone else.

 

[Wadecool]

Whether there are people in front of me holding late FP's, or everyone has done the right thing and holds FP's within the correct return window, there would still be the exact same number of people in front of me and the line would NOT be shorter. However, by people doing the wrong, selfish thing getting FP's KNOWING full well that they would not be able to make the return window, they take FP's away from other people, who may not be able to return during the later, artificially pushed pack return time window. The bottom line is; it's the society we live in. It's a me, me, me thing and I’m not concerned with everyone else.

I can't quite tell which side of this debate you find yourself on... Please make it clearer...

 

[goofy14]

without reading all the pages......on our recent trip, i can be honest and admit that on our magic kingdom day, we stockpiled several fast passes thinking we'd use them later that night. BAD IDEA! everyone else in the park must have had the same plan. the fast pass lines were VERY long and barely moving. we ended up not riding those rides this trip (and some were our favorite can't miss).

 

[KSDisneyDad]

without reading all the pages......on our recent trip, i can be honest and admit that on our magic kingdom day, we stockpiled several fast passes thinking we'd use them later that night. BAD IDEA! everyone else in the park must have had the same plan. the fast pass lines were VERY long and barely moving. we ended up not riding those rides this trip (and some were our favorite can't miss).

When was your trip and what time Did you try using Fps?

We did the same thing at MK the Sunday before Memorial Day and the Friday after with absolutely no issues. How would one generally know if the FP line Is too long anyway? Even when it appeared long such as at Space Mountain, it moved quite quickly. But as others have said, all lines get longer later in the day. Having FPs will always save tome compares to the standby lines.

 

[hookedonears]

By demanding that everyone follow YOUR exclusive rules and not do what Disney happily allows you are saying it's YOU YOU YOU and YOU'RE not concerned with anyone else.

I don't believe I'm the one who printed the one hour return window one each FP ticket. I believe Disney did that and I believe those are Disney's rules. They don't enforce them because like I said in an earlier post, they don't want people racing across the parks knocking down children and grandmothers trying to get to their FP return window. They also don't enforce them because if someone is waiting in line waiting to give the CM their FP ticket and the time expires, there would be a tremendous amount of unhappyness and Disney doesn't want that. What they do want is for everyone to do the right thing and follow the rules as printed on their FP ticket. Five minutes late is one thing. Five hours late, if I were Disney it would be like dude, there's the stand-by line, enjoy.

 

[disneyfav4ever]

I'm glad Disney's policy is to accept late Fast Passes. If they changed it to just the hour window, I'd follow their rules, but I like the Fast Pass system the way it works now.

 

[mesaboy2]

I don't believe I'm the one who printed the one hour return window one each FP ticket. I believe Disney did that and I believe those are Disney's rules. They don't enforce them because like I said in an earlier post, they don't want people racing across the parks knocking down children and grandmothers trying to get to their FP return window. They also don't enforce them because if someone is waiting in line waiting to give the CM their FP ticket and the time expires, there would be a tremendous amount of unhappyness and Disney doesn't want that. What they do want is for everyone to do the right thing and follow the rules as printed on their FP ticket. Five minutes late is one thing. Five hours late, if I were Disney it would be like dude, there's the stand-by line, enjoy.

Draw the line then. At what point does that lateness become acceptable? I bet we can come up with a scenario that makes someone later than your definition of late that is outside of the FP user's control.

As doconeill has said, Disney puts a return time so that it allows them to get rigid if they need to. That almost never happens. It also works to spread out the FP users so they all don't show up 5 minutes before close.

 

[Cepbush106]

I think its so funny how some people are suck sticklers for rules, must play by the "book" (the book Disney doesn't find necessary to enforce), don't let moms with kids who had to go potty back with their families, etc. Really, its VACATION, stop worrying about what other people are doing and just RELAX and have fun!

 

[Disney Dad Canada]

People need to sit down, relax, and enjoy their holiday. Worry about life once you leave, leave it out of the parks.

 

[dianfossey]

Really, its VACATION, stop worrying about what other people are doing and just RELAX and have fun!

Exactly what I was thinking. I could not fathom putting thought or effort as to why someone is returning late for FP while I am in vacation mode.

 

[PrincessTiffany]

They don't enforce them because like I said in an earlier post, they don't want people racing across the parks knocking down children and grandmothers trying to get to their FP return window.

Really? Who told you that? Because every CM that has commented on this topic in the past has never said that, they have simply told us that's what they are trained to do - accept late Fastpasses. Did you read the post from DawgDad, who's relative is an executive at Disney? I didn't see any mention of accepting late Fastpasses as a way to save innocent children and grandmothers in that post either. The vast majority of guests at WDW do not even know that FP are accepted after the return time printed on the ticket. In all the years I have been to Disney I haven't seen anyone knocking over children and grandmothers trying to get to a Fastpass entrance.

It's your logic that doesn't make any sense, not Disney's.

 

[TisBit]

I don't believe I'm the one who printed the one hour return window one each FP ticket. I believe Disney did that and I believe those are Disney's rules. They don't enforce them because like I said in an earlier post, they don't want people racing across the parks knocking down children and grandmothers trying to get to their FP return window. They also don't enforce them because if someone is waiting in line waiting to give the CM their FP ticket and the time expires, there would be a tremendous amount of unhappyness and Disney doesn't want that. What they do want is for everyone to do the right thing and follow the rules as printed on their FP ticket. Five minutes late is one thing. Five hours late, if I were Disney it would be like dude, there's the stand-by line, enjoy.

I think the point is that you are NOT Disney and trying to imply other people are doing something wrong, when Disney does not consdier it wrong is more than slightly hypocritical.

See, you can have the opinion that they SHOULD enforce the rule, but to imply that people are cheating or doing something wrong is the problem. If Disney ever decides to enforce this, then it will be a dead issue....but it is not up to you or anyone else to try to push people to follow what YOU believe is the right thing to do.

If a CM decided to give you a room upgrade at check in, I can feel that is unfair because you didn't pay for it and I did. The rates are clearly posted and you shouldn't be given this for free when other people have paid for it, right? You should politely refuse or pay for the upgrade. I mean, the rates are clearly published and you didn't pay for them. If you got upgraded to Concierge, you should go to the lounge and eat the food, because you are taking it away from someone that actually paid for it!

 

[nytimez]

I think the point is that you are NOT Disney and trying to imply other people are doing something wrong, when Disney does not consdier it wrong is more than slightly hypocritical.

See, you can have the opinion that they SHOULD enforce the rule, but to imply that people are cheating or doing something wrong is the problem. If Disney ever decides to enforce this, then it will be a dead issue....but it is not up to you or anyone else to try to push people to follow what YOU believe is the right thing to do.

If a CM decided to give you a room upgrade at check in, I can feel that is unfair because you didn't pay for it and I did. The rates are clearly posted and you shouldn't be given this for free when other people have paid for it, right? You should politely refuse or pay for the upgrade. I mean, the rates are clearly published and you didn't pay for them. If you got upgraded to Concierge, you should go to the lounge and eat the food, because you are taking it away from someone that actually paid for it!

 

[doconeill]

Wow, I take a few days off from active posting on the boards, and someone has to start this thread yet again?!?

For those that think using a FP late has a detrimental effect on the Standby line, they are invited to read Why using a late FASTPASS doesn't matter! Word of caution: It's like reading a textbook on physics.

Perception is a BIG problem, at multiple levels. People perceive the standby line is slowed down because it starts and stops and does not move continuously as it did in the pre-Fastpass days. They perceive the wait to be longer because the line is physically shorter than it was in the pre-Fastpass days but takes just as long. They perceive a large influx of FP riders to be full of late FP users even though there is no reason to believe such.

Put simply, Disney has analyzed these numbers many times, and they don't see any reason to change enforcement policies as they stand right now. They CAN choose to enforce the return time if they choose, but that decision is at the management level and we haven't heard any definitive case where that has actually happened.

If you want to obey the return "rules" as you perceive them, you are free to do so. And I will also say you are free to post here and say you'd like them to change them. Just make sure you understand the impact.