How many Legacy FastPasses did you *really* use on an average day?

[BuckeyeBama]

Huh. Well how about this math? Currently 63% of the respondents voted that they used MORE FP- than the measly 3 FP+ allowed by Disney.

That is/was a given - this is the Dis.

 

[Mommy2Corinne]

That is a given - this is the Dis.

And your point as related to this poll would be......?

 

[TinkerBelle_325]

Huh. Well how about this math? Currently 63% of the respondents voted that they used MORE FP- than the measly 3 FP+ allowed by Disney.

How about we factor in the 50% of REGULAR WDW guests that DIDN'T use FP-

 

[BuckeyeBama]

And your point as related to this poll would be......?

People on the Dis come here to plan - they would be more inclined to leverage things like FP more so than the general population. I would have been shocked had the poll results not been similar to this. In fact, I am surprised that so many report using as few as they do.

 

[agavegirl1]

It's interesting to come back and see the progress of this poll. I am not a fan of FP+ and some would say I have no right to criticize since I only averaged 2 per day. The poll answer really doesn't reflect my issues however.

I used those 2 per day for the same ride or rides I had already ridden standby. I travel during slower times and make full use of RD and AM EMH when possible. I used the FP so I could repeat favorites. Selecting 3 unique experiences in advance of knowing the standby lines is just plain ridiculous to me. In some parks I only want 1 for something I hopefully rode already.

If standby lines are adversely affected by FP+, I will need more than three. It's not just "super-users" who are negatively affected by this program. It's much more complex than that.

 

[clsteve]

Also nothing faulty in this math
259 Poll Respondents
0 x 5 = 0
1 x 12 = 12
2 x 38 = 76
3 x 41 = 123
4 x 27 = 108
5 x 60 = 300
6 x 47 = 282
7 x 19 = 133
8 x 4 = 32
9 x 6 = 54
TOTAL = 11209/259 = 4.3
Interestingly…the average keeps FALLING…

Not quite sure what you're trying to get at with the poll, because you know what they say about statistics.....

As or more important, is how many/most people are saying they used them:

For the same ride(s) more than once
Parkhopping
More efficient touring

It's the how as much as how many

 

[Mommy2Corinne]

People on the Dis come here to plan - they would be more inclined to leverage things like FP more so than the general population. I would have been shocked had the poll results not been similar to this. In fact, I am surprised that so many report using as few as they do.

But I thought the point of this particular poll was to see how many FP- people here *really* used, insinuating (like you did in your previous comments to this and other threads) that people were lying about/over exaggerating their previous FP- use?

So it would follow that non-Dis/non-planning people who are clueless and who never knew about/cared to use FP- are rather irrelevant to this particular poll, no?

Maybe I missed the point. All of the sarcastic "I used 180,000 FP-" comments must have confused me.

 

[TinkerBelle_325]

Not quite sure what you're trying to get at with the poll, because you know what they say about statistics.....

As or more important, is how many/most people are saying they used them:

For the same ride(s) more than once
Parkhopping
More efficient touring

It's the how as much as how many

After seeing all the uproar at FP+ my curiousity was related to the NUMBER of FP- that people used. I am fully aware and freely admit that there are issues with FP+ and they relate to same ride more than once and park hopping as well as tiering. I was curious how Disney came to the number of 3 and I wanted to see if a sample, even of the Disboards which is NOT reflective of the average WDW guest cross-sample, would produce similar results. So far the average has DROPPED each time I've checked it and is currently hovering around 4.3. If you were to account for the average guest cross-sample wherein 50% of guests didn't use FP- then the average of 3 seems pretty reasonable. Not saying it SHOULD be 3, just curious how Disney got there.

 

[TinkerBelle_325]

But I thought the point of this particular poll was to see how many FP- people here *really* used, insinuating (like you did in your previous comments to this and other threads) that people were lying about/over exaggerating their previous FP- use?

So it would follow that non-Dis/non-planning people who are clueless and who never knew about/cared to use FP- are rather irrelevant to this particular poll, no?

Maybe I missed the point. All of the sarcastic "I used 180,000 FP-" comments must have confused me.

If you had actually READ this thread you would see that I emphasized *really* because I want to know how many people USED not how many the COULD PULL.

 

[clsteve]

After seeing all the uproar at FP+ my curiousity was related to the NUMBER of FP- that people used. I am fully aware and freely admit that there are issues with FP+ and they relate to same ride more than once and park hopping as well as tiering. I was curious how Disney came to the number of 3 and I wanted to see if a sample, even of the Disboards which is NOT reflective of the average WDW guest cross-sample, would produce similar results. So far the average has DROPPED each time I've checked it and is currently hovering around 4.3. If you were to account for the average guest cross-sample wherein 50% of guests didn't use FP- then the average of 3 seems pretty reasonable. Not saying it SHOULD be 3, just curious how Disney got there.

Ah, but isn't Disney counting on a much larger percentage of that 50% using them in the future? With ride capacity a finite- seems pretty intuitive how they got to 3, tiering and no hopping, don't you think......?

 

[mom2rtk]

People on the Dis come here to plan - they would be more inclined to leverage things like FP more so than the general population. I would have been shocked had the poll results not been similar to this. In fact, I am surprised that so many report using as few as they do.

But I also think the DIS is full of many DVC owning, AP carrying guests...... people who visit Disney several times a year. This is the sort of guest who is happiest just wandering the parks soaking up the atmosphere, not caring whether they get on any particular ride, knowing they will be back in a few months and can catch anything they miss next time.

 

[Mommy2Corinne]

If you had actually READ this thread you would see that I emphasized *really* because I want to know how many people USED not how many the COULD PULL.

Um, I did read the thread. No need to yell about it.

I'm not sure I understand the distinction you are now trying to make. It still insinuates that you think people were/are lying/over exaggerating about their previous FP- use. I never heard anyone say in any other relevant thread, "Oh, I used to pull 7-10 FP- per day, but I only actually used 3 of them."

That doesn't even make any sense. In the context of these discussions, of course people were talking about the number of FP- they used to "use." Why would they be talking about the number they used to "pull?" That's honesty quite irrelevant.

Seems like you were back pedaling with your use/pull distinction when questioned about your use of the word "really."

 

[rteetz]

But I also think the DIS is full of many DVC owning, AP carrying guests...... people who visit Disney several times a year. This is the sort of guest who is happiest just wandering the parks soaking up the atmosphere, not caring whether they get on any particular ride, knowing they will be back in a few months and can catch anything they miss next time.

I agree a lot of people on the boards are repeat guests who have been five or more times in the last 20 years.

 

[Lizard Valley]

I picked 9 or more - but to be fair, that's for MK. I pulled up my notes from my last trip (early March 2013), and it was actually 8, but that's with almost an hour of running around TSI and an afternoon break. I can't go back and change my answer though...

9:05 - Pull FP for Space - return 9:45-10:45
9:05 - 9:20 - ride Space standby
9:25 - 9:45 - ride Tomorrowland Speedway
9:45 - Pull 2nd set of FP for Space - return 10:20-11:20
9:50 - 10:00 - ride Buzz
10:05 - 10:15 - Meet Buzz
10:15 - Pull 3rd set of FP for Space - return 11:05-12:05
10:15 - 10:25 - ride Space w/ 1st set of FP
10:30 - 10:40 - ride Space w/ 2nd set of FP
10:40 - 11:05 - snack
11:05 - 11:12 - ride Space w/ 3rd set of FP
11:17 - 11:25 - ride HM
11:29 - meet Chip n' Dale (we're the only ones there)
11:32 - pull 1st set of FP for BTMR - return 12:10-1:10
11:32-11:45 - ride BTMR standby (don't know if you could reliably expect to walk on BTMR at this time normally)
11:50 - 12:10 - ride POC
12:15 - pull 2nd set of FP for BTMR
12:20 - 1:05 - TSI
1:10-1:20 - ride BTMR w/1st FP
1:20-1:30 - ride BTMR w/2nd FP
1:30 - get snacks
1:30 - 1:45 - ride Railway to park entrance

Break at BLT until 3:30, return to MK, at back of park at 3:55

3:55 - Pull FP Dumbo (return 5:30 - 6:30) - unconnected
3:57 - Pull FP Barnstormer (return 5:35-6:35) - unconnected
4:00 - 5:15 - BOG ADR
5:15 - 5:30 - Meet the Beast (wasn't expecting this, hoping 15 min grace period is in effect for FP)
5:35 - 5:45 - ride Dumbo w/FP (5 mins late but within grace period)
5:45 - 6:00 - ride Barnstormer w/FP (10 mins late but within grace period)
6:05 - pull 4th set of FP for Space (return 7:15-8:15)
6:05 - 6:35 - Club 626 and FaceTime with friends back home
6:35 - 7:30 - Laugh floor and Stitch (didn't write down exact times)
7:35 - 7:50 - ride Space w/ 4th set of Fps
8:00 - 8:20 - Wishes
head back to park entrance
8:30 - Meet Mickey (we're the only ones there)
8:45 - find a spot to watch MSEP from train station
9:00 - MSEP
Quick exit and 7 min walk back to resort

About 4-5 on average. I will never believe people who say 8-9-10 with mostly a 2 hr window until you use next one this makes no sense unless you go off season when you don't really need at most rides.

I believe that my quoted post above shows exactly how I used 8 FP's in one MK day, with an hour of TSI, an afternoon break, a 1.5 hour dinner ADR, Wishes and MSEP in there. I could have used several more...

This is exactly what we did. I see so many people posting that they didn't need FP because waits were only 20-30 minutes.

Why wait 20-30 minutes when you can grab a FP, go on another ride, then come back with no wait? This never made sense to me.

Plus, you could then generally get a FP a half hour to an hour later. Those were the days....

I agree. I always wondered why someone would choose to wait in a 20 min line when they could pull a FP with a return 40-60 mins later. I got a lot done in that 40-60 mins - other rides that had no FP, shopping, meet and greets, snacks. And then I walked on with my FP and was able to pull another one.

Perhaps one could argue that FP wasn't "needed" because I was there at a slow time, but I would argue that it was even more useful during these slow times.

 

[MadToad]

This is an interesting poll. Since the rollout of FP+, I've wondered what the average legacy FP usage was.

Unfortunately, there have been other variables with FP+, making the comparison less useful. The largest of which, to me, is the proliferation of Fast Pass access to the rides. When you assign FP to nearly every event and attraction, nothing is ever really fast.

I've used 5 to 7 passes per day, depending on the park and traffic (yes, I know that's 6). 7ish in the MK and 5 or maybe less in the other parks. But back then, there was minimal/no wait for several attractions - we walked on to Imagination and Spaceship Earth, and waited a few minutes for Maelstrom or Nemo. Our last visit in early December had a 40 min wait for Nemo, a 20 min wait for Imagination, an hour for Maelstrom! Heck, there was even a 10 minute wait in Mexico.

It was far worse in the MK. The line for PoC snaked all the way out to the stroller parking. HM never dropped below 40 min. Even the Tea Cups had a crazy line.

These were the waits I experienced. Maybe you saw longer, maybe you saw shorter. I can only go by what I've experienced.

The game has changed and it's not just a limitation to 3 passes.

 

[Shaden]

So if the average FP- wait was 13 minutes....and the standby line was 20-30....let's say 25 for average sake....then you actually save 12 minutes each time...not 20-30 and that means over the course of 6 FP- you saved 72 minutes...not 3 hours.

And if the wait was 35 minutes? How about 40? Maybe 45? Never mind that we all know that posted standby waits have the potential to be underestimated. I would ALWAYS take a FP when I could. Generally any line over 20 minutes has the potential to turn into something much longer.

Do you think you're going to analyze people into admitting that they have been wrong all along and FP+ would indeed be great for them after all?

I actually had one poster read through my trip reports and PM me with the great news that as luck would have it, FP+ would actually work out great for me.

People LIKE what they LIKE. For a huge variety of reasons. At least let them own their own feelings please.

I get your point, but that's not actually true. You see, what I was pointing out was that you average wait time lowered significantly ... if you did other rides while waiting for your FP ride. Maybe I expressed myself incorrectly.

Because you are still missing out on 6 potentially 30 min waits (which, lets face it when the mid-low demand rides have 10-20min waits the biggies have 30-40 min waits) .... which still saves you 3 hours. I was trying to average it out and say that you went and stood in line for other rides at 20 mins each. By saving 20-30 mins with a FP on the 4th ride you would lower your "average" wait time.

 

[TinkerBelle_325]

Um, I did read the thread. No need to yell about it.

I'm not sure I understand the distinction you are now trying to make. It still insinuates that you think people were/are lying/over exaggerating about their previous FP- use. I never heard anyone say in any other relevant thread, "Oh, I used to pull 7-10 FP- per day, but I only actually used 3 of them."

That doesn't even make any sense. In the context of these discussions, of course people were talking about the number of FP- they used to "use." Why would they be talking about the number they used to "pull?" That's honesty quite irrelevant.

Seems like you were back pedaling with your use/pull distinction when questioned about your use of the word "really."

Nope - no backpeddaling at all that was my intention from the beginning. I've seen lots of people say they would "go shopping" and grab more FP- than they would use. I did the same thing and happily admitted it. I would grab 3 FP- and use 2, or grab 5 and use 3.

I'm not accusing anyone of lying nor have I ever in any thread on FP+ or any other topic.

 

[vicki_c]

I'm just sad that I can't do this anymore (this was during an afternoon break before returning to MK to use these).

 

[revdon64]

2 or 3 I think. But we always do rope drop and as long as DS is little we take breaks, so we avoid using ones that come up in the middle of the day. I imagine that we would or will use more if we were doing the parks commando style, but I'm not burning out my kids like that. If it were just me the number would definitely be higher.

 

[BuckeyeBama]

But I thought the point of this particular poll was to see how many FP- people here *really* used, insinuating (like you did in your previous comments to this and other threads) that people were lying about/over exaggerating their previous FP- use? .

Well, I don't believe that anyone is really lying, but I do believe that they have inflated numbers. I do not believe that anyone "averages" 9 fast passes per day in WDW parks. Just don't believe it. Nothing anyone said would make me believe it.

Tell me that you might pull as many as 9 in a day on a perfect day and I would believe that, but averaged 9/day - nope.